Topic: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs - page 555. (Read 1260354 times)

i keep every miner i've ever bought, there are times when they are worth powering up, and times when they are not. It will always be so.

I have read that a couple of times now. How would reselling a SP30 work in real life? When would that happen? How much would it cost to get it shipped from the DC to the new buyer? Or would you sell it 'with your hosting contract'? But who would buy it then?

I would really like to see a practical example would people have in mind when they speak about reselling? Say...

- Buy for August or September shipment for $xxxx
- Use for mining for x months
- Pay hosting bill for x months (plus setup fee if any)
- Find new buyer for $yyyy
- Pay DC + UPS to ship to new buyer for $zzz?

Does this even make real sense? With Spondoolies Tech possibly shipping tens of thousands of these, wouldn't there be thousands of people trying to do the same?

If you have a few dozen of these units at a DC, or god forbid a few hundreds, would your DC even be able to start a pack and pack shipping operation for you? It's a bit different than sending an occasional server to some client. I just watched Softlayer unpacking and plugging in servers over months here at our location (one of my former colleagues works for Softlayer), doing the same things inverse (packing them up) is probably a small headache if they didn't keep boxes around.

And if you are a large miner, wouldn't it be better to spend the $zzz to just let it run for another month or so?

An if you are a large miner looking to buy, wouldn't any money be better spent on new mining gear at that time (assuming we are talking about 20nm at that time or competing faster/newer hardware?)

Questions over questions

Again to avoid any confusion:

The above estimate is for units hosted inside a Datatank container, whichs is a form of modular DC utilizing immersion cooling. In fact you can get even lower power prices, around 30$/kW and month.

IT DOES NOT apply to normal hosting environments with aircooled units.

It however specifically applies to units optimized for immersion cooling. Upfront costs are typically 0.5-0.7 $/W for the Datatank container, fluid and PSUs.

These are also reusable when upgrading to the next generation gear (however, it should be hard to find a buyer for used immersion cooling miners).

Unfortunately you'll never find a co-location DC that will host an SP10 for $150 or less. I have to pay $150/month for my SP10 since I could never run it in the house in the summer. Nothing I could do. I do have full access to the miner, for that price I better. It's not only the electricity, but to keep it cool as well. Some may find $150/month way too much, but if you had no other option then show us those low prices.

Same as it always has been. Rich get richer, poorer get poorer. Easier to make money when you have it.

I wish Spondoolie would drop on their SP30. Been over a month or more and same price ( I think ). Right now cost about 9 bitcoins for an SP30. Wonder how long an SP30 will make back 9 bitcoins....will it? Have to be a cheapo these days....bill collectors are abundant.

yes, KfC's 'stepping stone' chip is not a known design, it was a total gamble, powered by greed and trying to be overly-competitive.
By the time Spondoolies et al get to 16nm, KfC will still be trying to shrink their 20nm and as a result of their complete incompetence where customer service is concerned, they'll most likely just try and sell chips in wholesale than make any miners (apart from the ones they decide to install in their dat0rhalls)

cunch of bunts.

KnC uses the still experimental 20nm node. That is the holdup.
Spondoolies is able to achieve a better efficiency using the very well known and widely used 28nm process, as their design is superior.

Does that answer your questions?

Can anyone speculate why KNC, who did the same thing in that they took a known design and shrunk it without changing anything, took 6 months to start shipping but Spondoolies is able to do it in a month and a half?

I get that BFL went with some new design to get their power down, so that is why they are super late, and Black Arrow is late because they couldn't figure out how to assemble their miners.  But what happened with KNC that it took that long for them to ship?  It seems amazing to me that Spondoolies is able to do this so quickly compared to everyone else. 

That is great news.
So you can expect the same great quality and schedule of rollout.
That must make it easier to meet demand and control your production times.
 

Fair summary.

The Tapeout was done on May 14. http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/news/14226621-rockerbox-2nd-gen-asic-tape-out
Same team as our 1st gen. Same vehicle - Global Unichip Taiwan (The chairman of GUC is the vice chairman of TSMC: http://www.guc-asic.com/1-0.php?MD=5)
Same CM - Flextronics Israel.

Guy

I'll save Spondoolies some time and answer what can be answered based on publicly available information:

The first SP30s are scheduled to ship in July. The ASIC was taped out before or on May 29th. They should be getting their chips back from the fab pretty soon, but AFAIK they don't have silicon yet.

The new design, Rockerbox, is a relatively straightforward die shrink of their old Hammer 40nm ASIC down to 28 nm, and as such is unlikely to have any new major problems. It should use the same serial protocol as Hammer, so there isn't much risk in the new PCB designs either.

They have everything finished for the SP30 except for the ASIC. There are a few photos that have been circulated on this thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7347228) with SP30s fully assembled except for the ASICs themselves.

No results have been published that I'm aware of except from the pre-tapeout simulations. Expect around 6 Th/s +/- 10% at 2.7 kW. Based on performance of the SP10s and the common design, the SP30s are likely to have better performance in cold rooms than in warm rooms, and to also perform better if they're run on 208V or 230V rather than 115V.

I'm seriously looking at buying a few SP30s.  Can someone tell me how far along the design of this product has come?  Are there units already shipped?  Are there prototype results being published or is the SP30 using much of what the SP10 has already proven to work?

Since you guys are talking about datacenters, I'm going to shamelessly plug ASICSPACE, the one I'm working on:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lorem-ipsum-657461

We're still building it, and still working out the details on pricing, but I'm pretty sure our prices will be better than anyone else's by a very wide margin. Right now we're thinking $90/kW/month for month-to-month contracts, and around $68/kW/mo if you pay 12 months at once. No per-kWh usage charge, the $90 or $68 is everything.

We won't accept anybody's money until the facility is online or nearly so, and we can't currently guarantee that we'll be online in time for your preorders. However, I will state that I myself have quite a few August SP30s coming in, so I have a strong incentive to have everything running by August. If you're getting September SP30s and you're willing to wait until around August 1st before making a decision, I think we will probably be able to accommodate you. My guess is that we'll have half a MW available in September, with more to come soon after.

We plan to do a p2pool node. We'd prefer email-based pool configuration and overclocking. I'd like to also offer customers the option of port-forwarded access to their machines' web UIs or SSH ports if they can accept the reduction in security that comes therewith, but I can't guarantee that yet.

Agree.  Id like to see UP and DOWN arrows at the pool settings to move them up and down.
Was thinking of this a couple weeks ago.

For SP30 launch, we will have 2 datacenters ready, one in Oregon, and a new one in Denver to go along side our current place in Denver.

Interesting C_C, I also am trying to work out the best way to resolve/work out the hosting 'issue'.

The amount of emails is out of control. Please always cc support@ or info@ so we'll be able to track and eventually get back to you.
Please be patient.

Guy

yes, it takes a few days to ramp up your share earnings properly. i enjoy it as it's not too dissimilar to mining DGM which has always previously been my preference.

http://p2pool.in/

Just try it for a few days, if you like it, keep it.

Payout mode is PPLNS with the work (shares) being recorded in the p2pool sharechain.

London is also 40ms. Haven´t checked Scotland.