Topic: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs - page 551. (Read 1260354 times)

That is a really simplistic view of what has been happening in these forums. Standard SPT referrer program participant tactics seem to be:

1) escalate any remarks mentioning the pre-order nature of the SP30, the lack of any refund or delivery guarantees, and the questions about whether the SP30 will ever recover its cost into mudslinging contests with the first willing participant, then run to the mods to get the comments deleted

2) troll the other hardware threads spreading FUD about Bitmain, KNC and others to a degree far worse than anything that happens in this thread.

Lets not focus on which thread deserved what. Lets focus on the important issue we were discussing: what is the likelihood of the Aug. and Sept. SP30 pre-orders recovering their cost before they operate at a loss.

The burden of proof should be on Spondoolies to show a reasonable case that SP30 retail customers will ROI, not on potential customers to show that it won't.

There's a big difference between offering each other help while patting each other on the back versus conversations that devolved into scathing abusive attacks.

Read those moved threads and tell us which one do you think deserved ckolivas' judicious moderator ban hammer love tap?

So, Spondoolies is providing hardware to DataTankMining in return for mining/hosting capacity?

Thank you so much again for your thoughtful reply.

Thanks for a great, but disconcerting comment. It rings true, but many people (including myself) cannot believe it yet (guilty of preordering SP-30 even after the KnC debacle).

Remember this is the hardware section for mostly technical discussion and announcements, BUT we are usually quite liberal with allowing discussion to wander, especially if the opening poster is happy for the discussion to veer off in that direction but it's very easy to suddenly find yourself in a discussion debating the ROI equation of some totally unrelated hardware like the Neptune when that happens. We usually don't intervene in self moderated threads since that defeats the purpose of self moderation unless there is open abuse or spam. The topic that caused the split degraded into the former.

I'm very happy to see discussions of the likelihood of recouping costs since I hate to see people throw their money away thinking they're buying some money making unicorn machine that will make them rich and that never happens. My personal view is you will never ever be able to buy hardware again that earns more than it cost you, meaning the only way to make money with mining hardware is to buy it, mine with it for a while and then sell it while it's still worth something, and avoid preorders like the plague. There was one preorder in the history of bitcoin ASIC mining that made an absolutely embarrassing killing profit for those who got it first and it tainted how people have thrown their money at manufacturers and scammers since, even though the conditions for that same thing happening will never ever happen again unless we can make quantum computers.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

Considering that most people interested in mining and considering a hardware purchase will probably read the threads in this section of the forum and likely miss discussions in the speculation section, would you agree that it is fair to allow non-abusive discussion of SP30 ROI in this thread in order to maintain a balanced discussion ?

I had no problem with the spondoolies ROI estimates being here, but take a look at the direction that whole discussion was taking and it clearly had nothing to do with hardware by the end with name calling and what not. In the interest of not just deleting posts the discussion was kept together as best as the forum system allows. Note, no post was deleted or censored. The hardware subsection is meant to be mostly dry technical discussion as per the rules outlined here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-point-of-order-conduct-in-this-subforum-139380 and yes it's very hard to maintain that standard throughout the section but usually once someone starts complaining that's when we're even aware there is an issue on a thread.

yes, since this hardware will not materialize for a month, hence no hardware to discuss. Are you mothballing this thread?

Would you please explain why SP30 ROI estimates are off-topic here ? I'm having a hard time understanding the rules here.

No, it was moved.

@spondoolies

It is (sometimes) customary to post a short notice when you move parts of the thread into a new one.

Maybe it was a mod though.

No meaningful posts have been deleted but it has been split into new topics. Spondoolies have been very generous in never deleting any posts but the discussion is way off topic for hardware discussion. Much has been moved to mining speculation. Self moderated thread opening posters only have the ability to delete posts, not move them.

Alas there is limited scope for a decent topic split so the following exists:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sp30-cost-recouping-was-re-ann-spondoolies-tech-best-wghs-ratio-best-ghs-ratio-663094

and another but I have to leave only one open
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--663087

so if you feel obliged to continue the discussion, use the former thread which has the less abusive posts. Some got lost as collateral damage due to the limited nature of the thread splitting feature for this forum, and for that I apologise.

Was my post deleted? 

Watch out boys, only approved comments are allowed in this so called 'self-moderated' SPT thread. I think we need a new thread just for Spondooles ROI discussions.

Reserved.

My optimistic calculations: http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=17000000000&dcosts=5300&diff_mincrease=15&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=6000000&diff_mincreasedecrease=3&btcusd=598.61&dpowcon=2700&btcusd_mincrease=1&pcost=0.15&calcweeks=100&dleadtime=6&action=calc

Between July 20th and 25th, depending on how much we'll be able to pull in the assembly house.
We'll ship all July batch until the end of the month. It's a small batch.

Guy

And please note that's 2-3 years from now. Lets hope the hardware can keep up.

Yeah, don't worry. Be happy. The variance will only last another 3-4 diff changes …

~L)L~

a large part is variance. a few days of good luck after a few days of bad luck could cause huge jumps like this. If you flip a coin and get heads, tails, heads, heads, heads, tails, tails, tails, it does not mean that the physical properties of the coin changed during the last 6 tosses