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legendary
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Good summation, it lacks when he mentioned he would be working exclusively on spreadcoin full time...As an early adoper, it's beyond the point of frustration or believability. Georgem is taking a more holistic approach rather than building on anything and as a result the price has suffered and confidence has wavered to the point where delisting from the only exchange it's currently on remains a possibility. There are some great minds behind this project though, like coins101- a visionary in this space, who was instrumental in the early success of dash.

 It ultimately is a coin of low risk high reward potential. Let's look at its price history. Servicenodes in testnet before mr. Spread's departure .0003. A mere mention of georgem's implementation within reach .00018; Almost an order of magnitude from where we currently stand. Imagine where we will be once, 100 more soons from now, servicenodes are actually released to mainnet.

People involved in crypto are generally myopic. That's a dim game to play. I'd rather georgem not address any of this and keep doing what he's doing. I'll wait.

From my perspective, 10m people use Blockchain.info to host a Bitcoin wallet (or they have 10m wallets, whatever your specific point of view), which is a sign something is wrong when you consider there are about 5,500 full Bitcoin nodes.

This is, by its very definition, a market imbalance. Not in terms of technical fear of the network not being able to cope. While there is that. My point of view is that this is a f huge opportunity. It's not a technical imbalance its a market distortion waiting for a solution.

* People don't want to run full nodes. But it's the safest option.

* People do want to run SPV's, in particular through their mobile, but it's the least safe option.

Do you see what I see in that diametrically opposed position?

No?

There are about 1.5bn PC's, but we are approaching 2.5bn smart phones. While PC adoption will plateau, the smart phone will continue to grow towards 5bn users.

So my design for a decentralized (bloody American spell checker on BCT) servicenode network that will create an encrypted link between an SPV and a full node, and then have those full nodes on a super fast rely network, is smack bang in the right space.

In fixing the SPV security model, you fix the Bitcoin lack of full nodes security model. The two positions are no longer diametrically opposed, they are aligned. You've fixed the market distortion, in a decentralized way.

So, I'm waiting to see what will happen before releasing this whitepaper.

The whitepaper is done, I've checked for available technology, it's a great commercial opportunity and it looks like it can address a market distortion enough to generate a business model around it.

Which is why I say, one way or another it will be built.

But lets see what happens next.



This particular option doesn't need proof of node, because there is an element of payment and service provision involved which is a sybil resistant model.

I agree with you but didn't Georgem reject this model on the basis it isn't cryptographically secure? At least I think that is what he said before I quit the team last year...
legendary
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Good summation, it lacks when he mentioned he would be working exclusively on spreadcoin full time...As an early adoper, it's beyond the point of frustration or believability. Georgem is taking a more holistic approach rather than building on anything and as a result the price has suffered and confidence has wavered to the point where delisting from the only exchange it's currently on remains a possibility. There are some great minds behind this project though, like coins101- a visionary in this space, who was instrumental in the early success of dash.

 It ultimately is a coin of low risk high reward potential. Let's look at its price history. Servicenodes in testnet before mr. Spread's departure .0003. A mere mention of georgem's implementation within reach .00018; Almost an order of magnitude from where we currently stand. Imagine where we will be once, 100 more soons from now, servicenodes are actually released to mainnet.

People involved in crypto are generally myopic. That's a dim game to play. I'd rather georgem not address any of this and keep doing what he's doing. I'll wait.

From my perspective, 10m people use Blockchain.info to host a Bitcoin wallet (or they have 10m wallets, whatever your specific point of view), which is a sign something is wrong when you consider there are about 5,500 full Bitcoin nodes.

This is, by its very definition, a market imbalance. Not in terms of technical fear of the network not being able to cope. While there is that. My point of view is that this is a f huge opportunity. It's not a technical imbalance its a market distortion waiting for a solution.

* People don't want to run full nodes. But it's the safest option.

* People do want to run SPV's, in particular through their mobile, but it's the least safe option.

Do you see what I see in that diametrically opposed position?

No?

There are about 1.5bn PC's, but we are approaching 2.5bn smart phones. While PC adoption will plateau, the smart phone will continue to grow towards 5bn users.

So my design for a decentralized (bloody American spell checker on BCT) servicenode network that will create an encrypted link between an SPV and a full node, and then have those full nodes on a super fast rely network, is smack bang in the right space.

In fixing the SPV security model, you fix the Bitcoin lack of full nodes security model. The two positions are no longer diametrically opposed, they are aligned. You've fixed the market distortion, in a decentralized way.

So, I'm waiting to see what will happen before releasing this whitepaper.

The whitepaper is done, I've checked for available technology, it's a great commercial opportunity and it looks like it can address a market distortion enough to generate a business model around it.

Which is why I say, one way or another it will be built.

But lets see what happens next.



This particular option doesn't need proof of node, because there is an element of payment and service provision involved which is a sybil resistant model.
sr. member
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Holy mother.

2017 is off to a good start, I can't believe this!

Lord Kek has truly blessed spreadcoin!

I can't express how thankful I am for all the support that I am already getting.

What a joy.

Please read this todo-list (1-5) that I made back in dec 10th, it still pretty much represents what next steps I will take:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17139447

Thanks everybody!

Thanks to you georgem.

Good job  Wink
hero member
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If I remember correctly cinogrin was actually an early miner of Spreadcoin and he lost access to his earlier account.

But he can speak for himself next time he's online.
legendary
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I'm still working on this if you haven't noticed, just without PR-Investors breathing down my neck or writing the whitepapers for me.   Cool
legendary
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BTW, if some people have a problem understanding what makes a crypto a scam,
I suggest you watch this video here.

It features Tone Vays and Chris DeRose and should be mandatory viewing for all crypto users.  Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r482VFVsnc

legendary
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I'm skeptical of the idea, ...


Could you address this guy? He's practically asking the same question I asked about the wallet working in a live environment.
Stop hitting soft balls around   Roll Eyes



This cinogrin-guy sounds like the perfectly "groomed" and prepared sockpuppet.
All this special "knowledge" about coding and what was going on here in the past months...
not suspicious at all.  Grin
legendary
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Decentralisation is the key ingredient for crypto, and I actually agree that a patronage funding mode for experimental work is in some ways better than an investment based one. Both are still based on an exchange taking place, but with patronage both parties remain free to widen their definition of success to include much more than ROI, whereas with investments both parties are locked in to expectations of financial return only, so true creativity is stifled. You can clearly see this in art, modern music labels and film studios tend to be investment based, and results suffer, a guy investing 10M USD in a movie these days will go for a bog standard high budget super hero bl8ckbuster because it's almost certain to make a profit, but the end product is usually not great art that stretches the boundaries, whereas a good explanation for the quality of Renaissance art is the funding was heavily biased towards patronage. For crypto I think we're seeing the results of 2 years of the investment model at work, and there's been a load of crappy ico's launched that have the cutting edge qualities of Spiderman 5, or Iron Man 6, so while many might make a return, they're not likely to crack the big problems, like how to scale networks without waste using incentive structures that maintain true decentralisation.

Thank you, this is the most reasonable comment I have seen in this thread this whole week.

So far, from what I can see, the development done on SpreadWallet is comprised of two primary factors: UI/UX, and consolidating common services built on RPC wallet commands into one application.

Now, this is cool, but the wallet shows nothing that indicates any work on the protocol, blockchain, or network level itself. We basically have a fancy multi-wallet at this point. I'm not saying that is crap, and it DOES look super nice, but a lot of the discussion in the history of the coin has been about innovative ideas leveraging the blockchain, and systems built on top of it, to do something new/exciting/supportive of crypto as a whole.

Is there anything being developed that does not fall under the category of UI/UX and consolidating already-developed APIs into one spot? I mean, it's probably the coolest wallet in crypto if you get it released - but none of the big picture discussions ever really focused on such a thing, nor do they require it. It's already clear that you're going to do your own thing, you don't owe us anything etc - so I'm mostly just seeing if you'll indulge my inquiry - is there work being done on a deeper level, beyond UI/UX?

Yes I know there are constant debates and discussions about the big picture ideas, I'm asking about tangible development, not just walls of text theorizing. Is there any evidence to show you're not fully and completely focusing on just making a super cool multi-wallet?

I vote this comment the best this week, second place sitonmythrone Tongue
legendary
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Holy mother.

2017 is off to a good start, I can't believe this!

Lord Kek has truly blessed spreadcoin!

I can't express how thankful I am for all the support that I am already getting.

What a joy.

Please read this todo-list (1-5) that I made back in dec 10th, it still pretty much represents what next steps I will take:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17139447

Thanks everybody!
sr. member
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This coin has reached a kind of all time low, I feel like a new pump is coming soon. Anybody else thinking the same?
legendary
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1m users? I have a thread for that:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17270909

The points on that graph show the number of addresses with a balance, not the number of users. But fair enough, that could indicate more than 1m users.  Not many people use 15+ addresses. 
legendary
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legendary
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All I said, as did Coins101, is that Bitcoin has failed its biggest goal...to be useful to the masses. Its adoption rate is poor and its practical applications, at the moment, are narrow.  That is not the same as calling it a shitcoin.


Well that's not exactly true. Check out all the countries that hit ATH for volume on localbtc in just the last month.
https://coin.dance/volume/localbitcoins

Being an early adopter means you wait until the masses finally get how something is useful. There will likely be another year or two before some app or other big idea makes it known by even the non-tech savvy people in society.

I appreciate that it is a contentious view but I stand by it.  Bitcoin is not useful enough to people yet. It is virtually entirely an investment vehicle at the moment with a smaller subset of payment uses.

I'm not so sure that Bitcoin is going to be the first to be widely adopted.  If it is, it won't be in only one to two years imo.

Some people have deduced that less than one million people use Bitcoin globally.  I don't know if that is true or not, it is very hard to estimate but it is a long way from the 200 million Paypal users, 100 million instagram users or one billion whatsapp users.
sr. member
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All I said, as did Coins101, is that Bitcoin has failed its biggest goal...to be useful to the masses. Its adoption rate is poor and its practical applications, at the moment, are narrow.  That is not the same as calling it a shitcoin.


Well that's not exactly true. Check out all the countries that hit ATH for volume on localbtc in just the last month.
https://coin.dance/volume/localbitcoins

Being an early adopter means you wait until the masses finally get how something is useful. There will likely be another year or two before some app or other big idea makes it known by even the non-tech savvy people in society.
hero member
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Incidentally, cryptographic proof of bitcoin node has reportedly been solved by another project.

What project has reportedly solved it?

Its going to be tabled as a BIP paper to give anybody the chance to implement it I believe.

Interesting, thank you.

Do you have a link or the BIP number?
legendary
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Incidentally, cryptographic proof of bitcoin node has reportedly been solved by another project.

What project has reportedly solved it?

Its going to be tabled as a BIP paper to give anybody the chance to implement it I believe.
legendary
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legendary
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Incidentally, cryptographic proof of bitcoin node has reportedly been solved by another project.

What project has reportedly solved it?

Sorted that problem out in September

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16132911
hero member
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Incidentally, cryptographic proof of bitcoin node has reportedly been solved by another project.

What project has reportedly solved it?
legendary
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Not Crown related at all  Wink
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