Is the miners choice to spread or not to spread the hash
Topic: [ANN] [SUP] Supcoin, PLUCK algorithm, Just Launched, Mine Now! - page 23. (Read 62226 times)
February 21, 2015, 12:16:27 PM
So like i said on irc channel , even if ocminer set 5% or maybe 10% (10 is to much) fee the miners still will mine on suprnova , the miner just see that my pool did not found a block for 4 - 5 hours and thei think that something is wrong with the pool , but everything is ok , i have checked the stratum every now and then , i have checked the crons , the crons ar ok , the wallet is ok , i will try to change the stratum .
Is the miners choice to spread or not to spread the hash
Is the miners choice to spread or not to spread the hash
February 21, 2015, 12:12:29 PM
i cant join in http://sup.hardcoreminers.com/ . it s not opening.
February 21, 2015, 12:03:14 PM
I saw every miner mining in suprnova now 
February 21, 2015, 12:02:59 PM
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You need to ping the stratum , my domain is on cloudflare , right now you just pinged the cloudflare server , as for the location the server is on Canada
February 21, 2015, 04:49:27 AM
There are 2 kind of community:
-1 like burstcoin,where every single beta new miner is released,give the community the opportunity to test in different system,so,improve togheter.
-1 like sup,where users(probably already bagholder),post screenshot of theyr improve miner instead posting the source,sayng "hey guys,i'm mining with 100% more speed with my beta miner. Let me mine alone for some days,i need to mine as much as possible alone,ops,i mean, i need to test first".
Just talking. No offence.
-1 like burstcoin,where every single beta new miner is released,give the community the opportunity to test in different system,so,improve togheter.
-1 like sup,where users(probably already bagholder),post screenshot of theyr improve miner instead posting the source,sayng "hey guys,i'm mining with 100% more speed with my beta miner. Let me mine alone for some days,i need to mine as much as possible alone,ops,i mean, i need to test first".
Just talking. No offence.
Actually, there are two kinds of communities - those that tell you that they have something better than the public does, and those who don't.
Besides, someone asked.
February 21, 2015, 11:40:09 AM
...tested coinminers the last 14hours. worked out quite well.
the blockoverview is nearly the same on both pools: last 24h = 133%
but would be nice to get some more hash to get faster block times!
the blockoverview is nearly the same on both pools: last 24h = 133%
but would be nice to get some more hash to get faster block times!
Yes, it'll be really good if the hashes are spread over the pools, fees are the same on both pools so you get the same coins.
why not rise the fees on your pool to make people think about spreading the hash?
I cannot just rise the Fee while miners are mining.. It is like your landlord is rising your rent while you are in the flat
Of course you can - it's just a shitty thing to do unless you give them reasonable notice.
right! doing nothing has no result. look at it, what we have now 2.3Mhash vs. 0.08Mhash.
If you had pushed out a deadline via web/mail and rise the pool fee 2% after 6hours it would be a responsable action every miner should understand.
miningpoolhub did that once with JPC - and it helped to get the hash spread
I'm not doing "nothing"..
I've got a message on my pool to spread the hash - now even in red color and in bold.
I'm posting in the thread several times to spread the hash to the other pools.
I've helped a lot to get the other pools up an running and I'm active all the time to keep things going.
Closing regs makes no sense since Suprnova has SSO (Single-Sign-On) and most of the accounts mining are old and not new registered ones.
What i'm not doing and never did is force people to mine on my pool - they can switch their miners if they like but what i'm also not doing is setting a "deadline" of some kind until a certain "thing" happens to make it unattractive to mine on my pool because of high fees or whatever.. Some people started their miner(s) hours ago and don't watch the thread so closely and they come back and find out that fee's have doubled while they were away.. Well... Who's scamming now ?
I do anything I can for the community - I'm doing that a long time, I share everything I can and I help where I can but I won't shoot my miners in the back - forget it.
It is part of life. People go where they get the best service and with well known brands. Running a pool is subject to the same business rules than any other business e.g. service, quality, brand, skillz, marketing etc. In this case all these things come together to ensure blocks at day 0 and then customers stick with their loyalty. Management is rewarded through good service out of the blocks. In any other business if one brand attracts more business it is the up the the management of the other brands to apply business principles to attract customers e.g. marketing, services etc. Applying artificial measures to change these natural processes does not make sense and is not sustainable. If it means more people go to one pool then that is how it is. The only risk with this is a 51% attack but if Suprnova does that it will be the quickest way out of business so the risk is low and more a theoretical one. It is also extraordinary that someone with a lot of business is helping competitors and is not seen often in the business world. I am sure management of other pools are doing stuff to attract more customers (marketing etc.) and when that happens things will be ok.
+1
And i'd even stick to ocminer & Supernova if fees 5%
February 21, 2015, 11:37:52 AM
When amd comes out,omg nvidia&cpu will kick out,damn one my amd gpu is dead
I hope amd same hashrate with nvidia, then became fair distribution
Suprnova is the best,in my experience 2month mining in suprnova,never had any issue
February 21, 2015, 11:35:14 AM
...tested coinminers the last 14hours. worked out quite well.
the blockoverview is nearly the same on both pools: last 24h = 133%
but would be nice to get some more hash to get faster block times!
the blockoverview is nearly the same on both pools: last 24h = 133%
but would be nice to get some more hash to get faster block times!
Yes, it'll be really good if the hashes are spread over the pools, fees are the same on both pools so you get the same coins.
why not rise the fees on your pool to make people think about spreading the hash?
I cannot just rise the Fee while miners are mining.. It is like your landlord is rising your rent while you are in the flat
Of course you can - it's just a shitty thing to do unless you give them reasonable notice.
right! doing nothing has no result. look at it, what we have now 2.3Mhash vs. 0.08Mhash.
If you had pushed out a deadline via web/mail and rise the pool fee 2% after 6hours it would be a responsable action every miner should understand.
miningpoolhub did that once with JPC - and it helped to get the hash spread
I'm not doing "nothing"..
I've got a message on my pool to spread the hash - now even in red color and in bold.
I'm posting in the thread several times to spread the hash to the other pools.
I've helped a lot to get the other pools up an running and I'm active all the time to keep things going.
Closing regs makes no sense since Suprnova has SSO (Single-Sign-On) and most of the accounts mining are old and not new registered ones.
What i'm not doing and never did is force people to mine on my pool - they can switch their miners if they like but what i'm also not doing is setting a "deadline" of some kind until a certain "thing" happens to make it unattractive to mine on my pool because of high fees or whatever.. Some people started their miner(s) hours ago and don't watch the thread so closely and they come back and find out that fee's have doubled while they were away.. Well... Who's scamming now ?
I do anything I can for the community - I'm doing that a long time, I share everything I can and I help where I can but I won't shoot my miners in the back - forget it.
It is part of life. People go where they get the best service and with well known brands. Running a pool is subject to the same business rules than any other business e.g. service, quality, brand, skillz, marketing etc. In this case all these things come together to ensure blocks at day 0 and then customers stick with their loyalty. Management is rewarded through good service out of the blocks. In any other business if one brand attracts more business it is the up to the management of the other brands to apply business principles to attract customers e.g. marketing, services etc. Applying artificial measures to change these natural processes does not make sense and is not sustainable. If it means more people go to one pool then that is how it is. The only risk with this is a 51% attack but if Suprnova does that it will be the quickest way out of business so the risk is low and more a theoretical one. It is also extraordinary that someone with a lot of business is helping competitors and is not seen often in the business world. I am sure management of other pools are doing stuff to attract more customers (marketing etc.) and when that happens things will be ok.
February 21, 2015, 11:32:00 AM
February 21, 2015, 11:30:10 AM
470 worker, all nvidia miner come up,rape all cpu miner 
2,4mhs now, 2days later maybe 10mhs, hell yeah, with cpu 3khs it still kick of from the street
First time i'm mining in other pools and 1hour still with 00000blance shit,thats why i'm switch to suprnova
2,4mhs now, 2days later maybe 10mhs, hell yeah, with cpu 3khs it still kick of from the street
First time i'm mining in other pools and 1hour still with 00000blance shit,thats why i'm switch to suprnova
February 21, 2015, 11:28:54 AM
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Why do you ping cloudflare there ?
February 21, 2015, 11:24:16 AM
I hear AMD miner is close. Spool up those FARMS, boys.
RIP supcoin, later today.
RIP supcoin, later today.
February 21, 2015, 11:23:19 AM
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February 21, 2015, 11:22:35 AM
...tested coinminers the last 14hours. worked out quite well.
the blockoverview is nearly the same on both pools: last 24h = 133%
but would be nice to get some more hash to get faster block times!
the blockoverview is nearly the same on both pools: last 24h = 133%
but would be nice to get some more hash to get faster block times!
Yes, it'll be really good if the hashes are spread over the pools, fees are the same on both pools so you get the same coins.
why not rise the fees on your pool to make people think about spreading the hash?
I cannot just rise the Fee while miners are mining.. It is like your landlord is rising your rent while you are in the flat
Of course you can - it's just a shitty thing to do unless you give them reasonable notice.
right! doing nothing has no result. look at it, what we have now 2.3Mhash vs. 0.08Mhash.
If you had pushed out a deadline via web/mail and rise the pool fee 2% after 6hours it would be a responsable action every miner should understand.
miningpoolhub did that once with JPC - and it helped to get the hash spread
I'm not doing "nothing"..
I've got a message on my pool to spread the hash - now even in red color and in bold.
I'm posting in the thread several times to spread the hash to the other pools.
I've helped a lot to get the other pools up an running and I'm active all the time to keep things going.
Closing regs makes no sense since Suprnova has SSO (Single-Sign-On) and most of the accounts mining are old and not new registered ones.
What i'm not doing and never did is force people to mine on my pool - they can switch their miners if they like but what i'm also not doing is setting a "deadline" of some kind until a certain "thing" happens to make it unattractive to mine on my pool because of high fees or whatever.. Some people started their miner(s) hours ago and don't watch the thread so closely and they come back and find out that fee's have doubled while they were away.. Well... Who's scamming now ?
I do anything I can for the community - I'm doing that a long time, I share everything I can and I help where I can but I won't shoot my miners in the back - forget it.
February 21, 2015, 02:28:26 AM
Hey Wolf, how much faster is your optimized CPU miner?
If I wanted to learn how to make optimized miners where would I start? Assuming I know barely anything about coding but am eager to start.
If I wanted to learn how to make optimized miners where would I start? Assuming I know barely anything about coding but am eager to start.
I ran some quick tests on it to get current numbers - today I managed to improve SHA256 a ton, raising the stock miner hash by 32% by itself while using no special CPU features. Anyway, the following results are the stock cpuminer that Earlz wrote from his github, compiled with -march=native and -Ofast, versus my current working build compiled with the same, run on my i7-5930K (OC'd to 4.65Ghz) with 12 threads:
Stock (NSFW): https://ottrbutt.com/miner/pluckhashstock-02202015-2.png
Modified (NSFW): https://ottrbutt.com/miner/pluckhashwolf-02202015.png
The only processor features /explicitly/ used by my code is SSE2, which all 64-bit x86 CPUs are guaranteed to have. That is not to say the compiler didn't use others - but it had the same opportunity for the stock miner.
If you want to learn more about miners, optimizations, and lower level coding, I recommend you learn C, which is what I started with.
And.. I'm sorry, but I have to recommend you also become pretty good in x86 assembly. It's not easy, but it gives you an in-depth understanding of your target platform, and even if you don't use it often, it will help you write better code.
I'm obviously not going to dump the result of a lot of work on the forum so that the diff goes even higher...
February 21, 2015, 11:10:21 AM
...tested coinminers the last 14hours. worked out quite well.
the blockoverview is nearly the same on both pools: last 24h = 133%
but would be nice to get some more hash to get faster block times!
the blockoverview is nearly the same on both pools: last 24h = 133%
but would be nice to get some more hash to get faster block times!
Yes, it'll be really good if the hashes are spread over the pools, fees are the same on both pools so you get the same coins.
why not rise the fees on your pool to make people think about spreading the hash?
I cannot just rise the Fee while miners are mining.. It is like your landlord is rising your rent while you are in the flat
Of course you can - it's just a shitty thing to do unless you give them reasonable notice.
right! doing nothing has no result. look at it, what we have now 2.3Mhash vs. 0.08Mhash.
If you had pushed out a deadline via web/mail and rise the pool fee 2% after 6hours it would be a responsable action every miner should understand.
miningpoolhub did that once with JPC - and it helped to get the hash spread
February 21, 2015, 10:44:52 AM
I had the wrong github URL for the CPU miner. Check https://github.com/Earlz/pluckcpuminer now
February 21, 2015, 10:29:29 AM
Code:
//note: off-by-one error is likely here...
for(int i = size - 64 - 1; i >= 64; i -= 64)
sha256_hash512(hashbuffer + i - 64, hashbuffer + i);
the minimize i is 127,and the last affect hashbuffer pos is 63for(int i = size - 64 - 1; i >= 64; i -= 64)
sha256_hash512(hashbuffer + i - 64, hashbuffer + i);
the target compare left 32byte
so this code is actually not used.
if skip this code, the cpu miner may be 10% faster.
By removing it.
i noticed the gpu miner had removed this code,
Yep - djm34 had noticed it too; it's one of the first things I did during my first pass of edits.
This change has been pushed to github for the CPU miner. It is not intentional for that optimization to be possible however. This might be fixed in a hard-fork eventually, but not anytime soon... So don't get too use to it being there
February 21, 2015, 10:27:25 AM
Yeah if wolf0 realese cpu optimization, made equilibrium with nvidia miner,
That makes the CPU optimization completely useless when everyone has it. Why release it?
There are two hints so far in this thread, someone just has to compile it. I may sort out a linux version with the two hints I have from public sources later, if nobody else does.
EDIT: earlz already did it below
February 21, 2015, 10:19:56 AM
I think this is the only coin where I can run my 980's at 1.6 Ghz.
what's the speed of 980?i am shaking the 280x.
I'm only getting ~ 8.50 kh/s per card.
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