Seriously, I bought some of these because of the devs behind it
Does anyone have any idea how long it will take for this coin to show its TRUE value?
Because right now it's gotta be the most undervalued coin on the market other than maybe Neoscoin?
Im sorry I just cant wade thru all the crap posts on this thread and make any sense of it.
I truly believe in Dano, whats the timetable for this to get up to where it should be?
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So its 140btc on top of 250btc + 59m sys . My bad! So I still dont see a problem. Moolah is less likely to dump, then the manipulating whale. Moolah will probably sell in parts when price hits x5 ...
thats fine, but he isnt less likely to dump than anyone, he brought as an investment. if he brought on dips i guess you could say it was insider trading, as he had control of escrow so he knew the future news. which would be considered highly illegal in trading stocks, but hey.. these arent stocks.
i just find it disturbing that the partnership and the developers own 48% of the current supply + 1500BTC, and investors are down 30% of initial investment. Its just worrying, how did this happen, shouldnt they own like 2% current supply of premine, or 0% since they have 1500btc.
it just feels a bit rough that devs are up almost 1million dollars USD from zilch, and investors are down 30% due to developer incompetence, lack of skill and poor time keeping skills.
and i did, i brought 1btc worth @ 470 and sold straight away @ 670. Im not moaning, im just concerned for other investors who diddnt get out in time and concerned the developers aren't being transparent enough.
Devs aren't up anything- we worked for 6months on this thing and are still waiting for a payday. The payout from Moolah is a long-term payout over months- this should increase investor confidence as WE AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE (never were). We are getting payments to fund the development as we keep moving, and we are moving. Also it is your choice as an investor to sell at a loss. There are people who are holding- you chose to sell it seems. We were quite clear prelaunch that this was a big undertaking and be ready for some hiccups at launch.
Yes Moolah spent 250btc of the fund on "early buy support" (we agreed to this) to allow investors to exit without major losses if they so chose. We will not be spending any more funds on that- we need all current and future funding to go towards development, marketing, and partnerships. We have 2% of the entire SYS supply to be mined- the fact that you're comparing this figure to the current supply makes very little sense other than to just try and incite people with large % numbers in bold text. Unless you are updating this number on a block-by block basis it is already inaccurate. We've been very clear about the fact that we are holding the SYS longer-term as others have called out its incentive to grow its value- and its in a publicly visible wallet HERE (2% dev + 1% bounty). We do not currently have access to the 250btc of SYS purchases as buy support but they will be in a public wallet soon as well.
Newbie account repeatedly posting bold comments about figures that are already inaccurate.
Guys. Just a heads up.. Going to start moderating.. Way too much shouting and screaming and FUD at this stage..
We are here and working, but just not going to reply to crap. Pointless
We are here and working, but just not going to reply to crap. Pointless
Yep and will move to our new thread tonight. New thread will have clear rules about WHAT will be moderated. Sorry for all the people looking for news and updates and getting blocked by less-than-productive posts by others.
In case you missed it. There's nothing astute about the latest claim of them having 48% at all. In fact, in the official Moolah proposal, the devs don't even get the coins that Moolah received by providing buy support until after 6 months.
"Clause 1
Staggered release of funds.
The escrowed funds will not be released in full. They will be released in 6 monthly payments. The first payment will be for 250 BTC once this agreement is made formal, and then there will be an additional 200 BTC released each month for the next five months. At the end of this period, the Syscoin accrued during the early buy walls, will also be released. Release each month will be subject to the developers actively working on the coin, and making good progress in any necessary areas (to be determined on a monthly basis)."
I've followed this whole thing from go. Did you miss the whole part about the devs getting 250btc, and then returning it back to moolah? Or how about the part where they still haven't gotten any BTC for themselves?
So 250btc worth of sys has been used by Moolah for buy support, and all those coins are effectively locked in the moolah vault for 6 months. Poof, gone from the economy.
Must........ resist............ trolls.......
PUBLIC NOTICE- I am deleting "darkslash" posts at this point. I'll leave the garbage posted already in the spirit of transparency, but we won't continue to let this stream on. There is nothing to hide here. If you want to believe his posts, they are there for you to do what you will and I can say concretely they are not true.
We aren't spending bounties except on... bounties. We don't have any of the SYS bought by Moolah as buy support and won't for at least 5 months. We have no control over what they bought themselves nor are we "conspiring" with them as darkslash tries to imply regarding buying/selling. We are independent.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you Danosphere. Enough FUD, and people trying to get cheap coins by this. Glad to see active moderation to those with PURE purpose in their posts to FUD, even if done clever.
I'd hope to see zero tolerance for FUD, masked or vieled to be clever, or outright FUD. Also PUMPING posts, fudding in optimistic way to pump the coin is doing same thing.
People, those with lots of BTC and whales, are playing a psychological game with you here, to take your $$$$, and to put it in their pockets. This is purely intentional and deliberate.
I don't think thats true. The volume is only 20k in 24 hours with only 12 BTC in Mintpal. Hardly anyone is buying. Right now it is below IPO prices and some people will exit because of how rollercoaster everything has been.
Must........ resist............ trolls.......
PUBLIC NOTICE- I am deleting "darkslash" posts at this point. I'll leave the garbage posted already in the spirit of transparency, but we won't continue to let this stream on. There is nothing to hide here. If you want to believe his posts, they are there for you to do what you will and I can say concretely they are not true.
We aren't spending bounties except on... bounties. We don't have any of the SYS bought by Moolah as buy support and won't for at least 5 months. We have no control over what they bought themselves nor are we "conspiring" with them as darkslash tries to imply regarding buying/selling. We are independent.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you Danosphere. Enough FUD, and people trying to get cheap coins by this. Glad to see active moderation to those with PURE purpose in their posts to FUD, even if done clever.
I'd hope to see zero tolerance for FUD, masked or vieled to be clever, or outright FUD. Also PUMPING posts, fudding in optimistic way to pump the coin is doing same thing.
People, those with lots of BTC and whales, are playing a psychological game with you here, to take your $$$$, and to put it in their pockets. This is purely intentional and deliberate.
+1
Must........ resist............ trolls.......
PUBLIC NOTICE- I am deleting "darkslash" posts at this point. I'll leave the garbage posted already in the spirit of transparency, but we won't continue to let this stream on. There is nothing to hide here. If you want to believe his posts, they are there for you to do what you will and I can say concretely they are not true.
We aren't spending bounties except on... bounties. We don't have any of the SYS bought by Moolah as buy support and won't for at least 5 months. We have no control over what they bought themselves nor are we "conspiring" with them as darkslash tries to imply regarding buying/selling. We are independent.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you Danosphere. Enough FUD, and people trying to get cheap coins by this. Glad to see active moderation to those with PURE purpose in their posts to FUD, even if done clever.
I'd hope to see zero tolerance for FUD, masked or vieled to be clever, or outright FUD. Also PUMPING posts, fudding in optimistic way to pump the coin is doing same thing.
People, those with lots of BTC and whales, are playing a psychological game with you here, to take your $$$$, and to put it in their pockets. This is purely intentional and deliberate.
I must say. That's really a sharp observation for the amount of coins owned by the dev+moolah. This is no FUD. This is a fact.
@Pmalek, you havent payed attention have you? 250btc buy support was out of the devs btc. In a complete separate transaction, moolah has purchased 140btc worth of sys. get your facts straight. If you still fail to believe, check moolah's twitter posts, its confirmed 140btc was purchased by him.
for the last time this is not FUD, why is it that everytime someone posts proof or facts, desperate holders try to call it lies?
Devs just because you guys promised to be transparent, could you please confirm the percentage of syscoin you currently own from premine and buy support walls. as it stands my calculations come to 34% of current supply, and your partnership (moolah) a further 14% of current supply. Your investors are waiting.
Where are you getting these "Facts" from because it sounds like BS to me?
The Devs havent had any payment from Moolah (they apparantly returned the first 250BTC when the coin launch hit problems), and as far as im aware have never stated that they will be putting that entire first lump sum into buy support.
If i remember a few pages back one of the devs said that a few of the team were aiming to use "some" BTC to try offer buy support but thats all that was said - nothing has happened yet because theyve not had any money? - At least this is my interpretation of the whole thing.
Id be suprised if theres been 250BTC SUM in trades across all exchanges since the thing launched tbh, as volumes have been incredibly low. Bittrex has had an average of about 17 BTC per day, Cryptsy 3 - 5 BTC today - your telling us theyve bought the entire damn supply up?
As for Moolah - they can buy whatever they want its nothing to do with the Devs. If you wanted to buy in 140 BTC worth at launch you think it would be THAT HARD to make a few payments of the 25BTC max as different users etc?
im not even going to bother to argue with you, your obviously a desperate holder trying to break even, so you dismiss everything as FUD and lies.
OK so you want proof eh?
lets lay this out for you in simple terms.
1. ok premine is 59million, (as seen here: http://sys.coinzone.info/address/STqv5wokEnanoedaXY9ihAtvM9ppKhyici)
2. DEVs openly brought 250btc worth (65m) (as buy support) - as discussed in previous thread. search it
3.. moolah brought 140btc (35m sys) worth of the ICO (notice it says of ICO, not after launch) (here: https://twitter.com/moolah_io/status/501022140230299648)
159million syscoins total owned by the partnership and developers- 48% of current supply. or would you still like to claim FUD?
@Darkslash you havent paid attention havent you? Moolah bought coins with devs bitcoins, because people wanted support at ipo price.
And there you have it, support is gone and devs end up with more syscoin. That amount of sys will be returned to devs in 6months from now if I understood correctly. Thats wrong for you too? Damn you just cant please the mass...
Devs kept their word for supporting the coin at ipo price and now you are fudding about it?
And there you have it, support is gone and devs end up with more syscoin. That amount of sys will be returned to devs in 6months from now if I understood correctly. Thats wrong for you too? Damn you just cant please the mass...
Devs kept their word for supporting the coin at ipo price and now you are fudding about it?
@Pmalek, you havent payed attention have you? 250btc buy support was out of the devs btc. In a complete separate transaction, moolah has purchased 140btc worth of sys. get your facts straight. If you still fail to believe, check moolah's twitter posts, its confirmed 140btc was purchased by him.
for the last time this is not FUD, why is it that everytime someone posts proof or facts, desperate holders try to call it lies?
Devs just because you guys promised to be transparent, could you please confirm the percentage of syscoin you currently own from premine and buy support walls. as it stands my calculations come to 34% of current supply, and your partnership (moolah) a further 14% of current supply. Your investors are waiting.
Where are you getting these "Facts" from because it sounds like BS to me?
The Devs havent had any payment from Moolah (they apparantly returned the first 250BTC when the coin launch hit problems), and as far as im aware have never stated that they will be putting that entire first lump sum into buy support.
If i remember a few pages back one of the devs said that a few of the team were aiming to use "some" BTC to try offer buy support but thats all that was said - nothing has happened yet because theyve not had any money? - At least this is my interpretation of the whole thing.
Id be suprised if theres been 250BTC SUM in trades across all exchanges since the thing launched tbh, as volumes have been incredibly low. Bittrex has had an average of about 17 BTC per day, Cryptsy 3 - 5 BTC today - your telling us theyve bought the entire damn supply up?
As for Moolah - they can buy whatever they want its nothing to do with the Devs. If you wanted to buy in 140 BTC worth at launch you think it would be THAT HARD to make a few payments of the 25BTC max as different users etc?
im not even going to bother to argue with you, your obviously a desperate holder trying to break even, so you dismiss everything as FUD and lies.
OK so you want proof eh?
lets lay this out for you in simple terms.
1. ok premine is 59million, (as seen here: http://sys.coinzone.info/address/STqv5wokEnanoedaXY9ihAtvM9ppKhyici)
2. DEVs openly brought 250btc worth (65m) (as buy support) - as discussed in previous thread. search it
3.. moolah brought 140btc (35m sys) worth of the ICO (notice it says of ICO, not after launch) (here: https://twitter.com/moolah_io/status/501022140230299648)
159million syscoins total owned by the partnership and developers- 48% of current supply. or would you still like to claim FUD?
This is quite unsettling
No it will be unsettling if these coins are owned by some whales. As they are now out of circulation for the foreseeable future, I can sleep tight.
This is quite unsettling
Aye, I agree..Its amazing how bad some people are at maths and actually reading
So its 140btc on top of 250btc + 59m sys . My bad! So I still dont see a problem. Moolah is less likely to dump, then the manipulating whale. Moolah will probably sell in parts when price hits x5 ...
thats fine, but he isnt less likely to dump than anyone, he brought as an investment. if he brought on dips i guess you could say it was insider trading, as he had control of escrow so he knew the future news. which would be considered highly illegal in trading stocks, but hey.. these arent stocks.
i just find it disturbing that the partnership and the developers own 48% of the current supply + 1500BTC, and investors are down 30% of initial investment. Its just worrying, how did this happen, shouldnt they own like 2% current supply of premine, or 0% since they have 1500btc.
it just feels a bit rough that devs are up almost 1million dollars USD from zilch, and investors are down 30% due to developer incompetence, lack of skill and poor time keeping skills.
and i did, i brought 1btc worth @ 470 and sold straight away @ 670. Im not moaning, im just concerned for other investors who diddnt get out in time and concerned the developers aren't being transparent enough.
Devs aren't up anything- we worked for 6months on this thing and are still waiting for a payday. The payout from Moolah is a long-term payout over months- this should increase investor confidence as WE AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE (never were). We are getting payments to fund the development as we keep moving, and we are moving. Also it is your choice as an investor to sell at a loss. There are people who are holding- you chose to sell it seems. We were quite clear prelaunch that this was a big undertaking and be ready for some hiccups at launch.
Yes Moolah spent 250btc of the fund on "early buy support" (we agreed to this) to allow investors to exit without major losses if they so chose. We will not be spending any more funds on that- we need all current and future funding to go towards development, marketing, and partnerships. We have 2% of the entire SYS supply to be mined- the fact that you're comparing this figure to the current supply makes very little sense other than to just try and incite people with large % numbers in bold text. Unless you are updating this number on a block-by block basis it is already inaccurate. We've been very clear about the fact that we are holding the SYS longer-term as others have called out its incentive to grow its value- and its in a publicly visible wallet HERE (2% dev + 1% bounty). We do not currently have access to the 250btc of SYS purchases as buy support but they will be in a public wallet soon as well.
Newbie account repeatedly posting bold comments about figures that are already inaccurate.
Guys. Just a heads up.. Going to start moderating.. Way too much shouting and screaming and FUD at this stage..
We are here and working, but just not going to reply to crap. Pointless
We are here and working, but just not going to reply to crap. Pointless
Yep and will move to our new thread tonight. New thread will have clear rules about WHAT will be moderated. Sorry for all the people looking for news and updates and getting blocked by less-than-productive posts by others.
Newbie account or not, figures dont lie. so your claiming my "figures that are already inaccurate" would you please care to explain. yes in 50years when crypto is dead in a hole you will own 2% of supply, but as it is NOW at this current time you together own 48% of supply. if your claiming im incorrect, you are a liar. please correct me Smiley i hope your maths skills are better than your coding Smiley
this is really bad, investors are being completely buttraped. For transparecy, could you please hire someone with competent basic math skills to do the math and please report back as to what percent of current supply the devs and partnership own? (whether they are in the hands of you or your partnership)
or just delete my posts
seems transparency is an issue around here?
this is really bad, investors are being completely buttraped. For transparecy, could you please hire someone with competent basic math skills to do the math and please report back as to what percent of current supply the devs and partnership own? (whether they are in the hands of you or your partnership)
or just delete my posts
seems transparency is an issue around here?LET ME ASSIST YOU. DEV PREMINE = 2% = 40mil coins.
TOTAL CURRENT SUPPLY = 365,687,774.29701695.
TOTAL SUPPLY CONTROLLED BY DEVS THAT IS NOT MOVING FOR A LONG TIME = 40,000,000 / 365,687,774.29701695 = 10.9%
Now please stop with your terribly bad math.
All of the other SYS that was purchased as buy support is not in our hands. We don't get it for ~5months AND it will be in a public wallet as well. The above figures are accurate until the next block is found, at which point our % continues to decrease.I must say. That's really a sharp observation for the amount of coins owned by the dev+moolah. This is no FUD. This is a fact.
@Pmalek, you havent payed attention have you? 250btc buy support was out of the devs btc. In a complete separate transaction, moolah has purchased 140btc worth of sys. get your facts straight. If you still fail to believe, check moolah's twitter posts, its confirmed 140btc was purchased by him.
for the last time this is not FUD, why is it that everytime someone posts proof or facts, desperate holders try to call it lies?
Devs just because you guys promised to be transparent, could you please confirm the percentage of syscoin you currently own from premine and buy support walls. as it stands my calculations come to 34% of current supply, and your partnership (moolah) a further 14% of current supply. Your investors are waiting.
Where are you getting these "Facts" from because it sounds like BS to me?
The Devs havent had any payment from Moolah (they apparantly returned the first 250BTC when the coin launch hit problems), and as far as im aware have never stated that they will be putting that entire first lump sum into buy support.
If i remember a few pages back one of the devs said that a few of the team were aiming to use "some" BTC to try offer buy support but thats all that was said - nothing has happened yet because theyve not had any money? - At least this is my interpretation of the whole thing.
Id be suprised if theres been 250BTC SUM in trades across all exchanges since the thing launched tbh, as volumes have been incredibly low. Bittrex has had an average of about 17 BTC per day, Cryptsy 3 - 5 BTC today - your telling us theyve bought the entire damn supply up?
As for Moolah - they can buy whatever they want its nothing to do with the Devs. If you wanted to buy in 140 BTC worth at launch you think it would be THAT HARD to make a few payments of the 25BTC max as different users etc?
im not even going to bother to argue with you, your obviously a desperate holder trying to break even, so you dismiss everything as FUD and lies.
OK so you want proof eh?
lets lay this out for you in simple terms.
1. ok premine is 59million, (as seen here: http://sys.coinzone.info/address/STqv5wokEnanoedaXY9ihAtvM9ppKhyici)
2. DEVs openly brought 250btc worth (65m) (as buy support) - as discussed in previous thread. search it
3.. moolah brought 140btc (35m sys) worth of the ICO (notice it says of ICO, not after launch) (here: https://twitter.com/moolah_io/status/501022140230299648)
159million syscoins total owned by the partnership and developers- 48% of current supply. or would you still like to claim FUD?
@Darkslash you havent paid attention havent you? Moolah bought coins with devs bitcoins, because people wanted support at ipo price.
And there you have it, support is gone and devs end up with more syscoin. That amount of sys will be returned to devs in 6months from now if I understood correctly. Thats wrong for you too? Damn you just cant please the mass...
Devs kept their word for supporting the coin at ipo price and now you are fudding about it?
And there you have it, support is gone and devs end up with more syscoin. That amount of sys will be returned to devs in 6months from now if I understood correctly. Thats wrong for you too? Damn you just cant please the mass...
Devs kept their word for supporting the coin at ipo price and now you are fudding about it?
@Pmalek, you havent payed attention have you? 250btc buy support was out of the devs btc. In a complete separate transaction, moolah has purchased 140btc worth of sys. get your facts straight. If you still fail to believe, check moolah's twitter posts, its confirmed 140btc was purchased by him.
for the last time this is not FUD, why is it that everytime someone posts proof or facts, desperate holders try to call it lies?
Devs just because you guys promised to be transparent, could you please confirm the percentage of syscoin you currently own from premine and buy support walls. as it stands my calculations come to 34% of current supply, and your partnership (moolah) a further 14% of current supply. Your investors are waiting.
Where are you getting these "Facts" from because it sounds like BS to me?
The Devs havent had any payment from Moolah (they apparantly returned the first 250BTC when the coin launch hit problems), and as far as im aware have never stated that they will be putting that entire first lump sum into buy support.
If i remember a few pages back one of the devs said that a few of the team were aiming to use "some" BTC to try offer buy support but thats all that was said - nothing has happened yet because theyve not had any money? - At least this is my interpretation of the whole thing.
Id be suprised if theres been 250BTC SUM in trades across all exchanges since the thing launched tbh, as volumes have been incredibly low. Bittrex has had an average of about 17 BTC per day, Cryptsy 3 - 5 BTC today - your telling us theyve bought the entire damn supply up?
As for Moolah - they can buy whatever they want its nothing to do with the Devs. If you wanted to buy in 140 BTC worth at launch you think it would be THAT HARD to make a few payments of the 25BTC max as different users etc?
im not even going to bother to argue with you, your obviously a desperate holder trying to break even, so you dismiss everything as FUD and lies.
OK so you want proof eh?
lets lay this out for you in simple terms.
1. ok premine is 59million, (as seen here: http://sys.coinzone.info/address/STqv5wokEnanoedaXY9ihAtvM9ppKhyici)
2. DEVs openly brought 250btc worth (65m) (as buy support) - as discussed in previous thread. search it
3.. moolah brought 140btc (35m sys) worth of the ICO (notice it says of ICO, not after launch) (here: https://twitter.com/moolah_io/status/501022140230299648)
159million syscoins total owned by the partnership and developers- 48% of current supply. or would you still like to claim FUD?
This is quite unsettling
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But you made your point. Then you made your point again and again and again. We hear you loud and clear. The devs and moolah are holding their coins long term because they believe in the coin. That means less coins on the market. We get it.
lets get serious here, do these devs not desire money? to be filthy rich? so they are going to hold forever eh? you trust a random bunch of people you met on the internet enough to think they dont want a buttload of money? they have already showed there greed when they asked for 1500btc. and the day will come when they feel its necessary to dump there 48% of the market, completely crushing and destroying the coin, would it be wrong? no, its premine, as stated for personal use. trust me if i dropped a million dollars at your fingertips and told you, that you could sell but it would be immoral, but not illegal, would you sell? keeping in mind im a stranger and you would be filthy rich.
could be today, could be tomorrow, could be in 20years, who knows when devs decide they want a buttload of money?
If this random bunch of people can make us rich while making themselves filthy rich, I adore them. I trust them because we have a common goal and that is to make ourselves rich through this coin. And as for you, FUDer, I despise u.
Last chance.. We are asking you to leave this thread.. This is a moderated thread and as per bitcointalk rules if you dont respect that we can request to get your account and your main account perma banned..
Last chance.. We are asking you to leave this thread.. This is a moderated thread and as per bitcointalk rules if you dont respect that we can request to get your account and your main account perma banned..
this coin should never ever have dropped below ICO price. if the devs were competent this wouldn't have happened, but there were unexperienced and clear amateurs. it makes ZERO sense that investors are down $227,000 and devs are up $994,000 usd. its just pure greed.
complete failure, the whole point of an ICO was so that people actually make money.
complete failure, the whole point of an ICO was so that people actually make money.
Well u FUDers have done a great job. Hope you guys have made good money out from this.
i apologize if i come across as aggressive or a FUDDER. i myself do not hold any more SYS and don't plan on it. im just trying to reach out to the community to show them the truth. but i feel the truth does not want to be heard. as everyone is desperate to see only good feedback about this coin so the price goes up, as they are all obviously investors.
You do not plan on buying any more sys.
Time to move on.
this coin should never ever have dropped below ICO price. if the devs were competent this wouldn't have happened, but there were unexperienced and clear amateurs. it makes ZERO sense that investors are down $227,000 and devs are up $994,000 usd. its just pure greed.
complete failure, the whole point of an ICO was so that people actually make money.
complete failure, the whole point of an ICO was so that people actually make money.
Well u FUDers have done a great job. Hope you guys have made good money out from this.
i apologize if i come across as aggressive or a FUDDER. i myself do not hold any more SYS and don't plan on it. im just trying to reach out to the community to show them the truth. but i feel the truth does not want to be heard. as everyone is desperate to see only good feedback about this coin so the price goes up, as they are all obviously investors.
And I am planning to reach out to your mum to tell her what a bum you are.
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But you made your point. Then you made your point again and again and again. We hear you loud and clear. The devs and moolah are holding their coins long term because they believe in the coin. That means less coins on the market. We get it.
this coin should never ever have dropped below ICO price. if the devs were competent this wouldn't have happened, but there were unexperienced and clear amateurs. it makes ZERO sense that investors are down $227,000 and devs are up $994,000 usd. its just pure greed.
complete failure, the whole point of an ICO was so that people actually make money.
complete failure, the whole point of an ICO was so that people actually make money.
Well u FUDers have done a great job. Hope you guys have made good money out from this.
i apologize if i come across as aggressive or a FUDDER. i myself do not hold any more SYS and don't plan on it. im just trying to reach out to the community to show them the truth. but i feel the truth does not want to be heard. as everyone is desperate to see only good feedback about this coin so the price goes up, as they are all obviously investors.
So? They can't sell them without killing the coin. The coin will be worth nothing even if they only sell 20% of their holdings.
I must say. That's really a sharp observation for the amount of coins owned by the dev+moolah. This is no FUD. This is a fact.
@Pmalek, you havent payed attention have you? 250btc buy support was out of the devs btc. In a complete separate transaction, moolah has purchased 140btc worth of sys. get your facts straight. If you still fail to believe, check moolah's twitter posts, its confirmed 140btc was purchased by him.
for the last time this is not FUD, why is it that everytime someone posts proof or facts, desperate holders try to call it lies?
Devs just because you guys promised to be transparent, could you please confirm the percentage of syscoin you currently own from premine and buy support walls. as it stands my calculations come to 34% of current supply, and your partnership (moolah) a further 14% of current supply. Your investors are waiting.
Where are you getting these "Facts" from because it sounds like BS to me?
The Devs havent had any payment from Moolah (they apparantly returned the first 250BTC when the coin launch hit problems), and as far as im aware have never stated that they will be putting that entire first lump sum into buy support.
If i remember a few pages back one of the devs said that a few of the team were aiming to use "some" BTC to try offer buy support but thats all that was said - nothing has happened yet because theyve not had any money? - At least this is my interpretation of the whole thing.
Id be suprised if theres been 250BTC SUM in trades across all exchanges since the thing launched tbh, as volumes have been incredibly low. Bittrex has had an average of about 17 BTC per day, Cryptsy 3 - 5 BTC today - your telling us theyve bought the entire damn supply up?
As for Moolah - they can buy whatever they want its nothing to do with the Devs. If you wanted to buy in 140 BTC worth at launch you think it would be THAT HARD to make a few payments of the 25BTC max as different users etc?
im not even going to bother to argue with you, your obviously a desperate holder trying to break even, so you dismiss everything as FUD and lies.
OK so you want proof eh?
lets lay this out for you in simple terms.
1. ok premine is 59million, (as seen here: http://sys.coinzone.info/address/STqv5wokEnanoedaXY9ihAtvM9ppKhyici)
2. DEVs openly brought 250btc worth (65m) (as buy support) - as discussed in previous thread. search it
3.. moolah brought 140btc (35m sys) worth of the ICO (notice it says of ICO, not after launch) (here: https://twitter.com/moolah_io/status/501022140230299648)
159million syscoins total owned by the partnership and developers- 48% of current supply. or would you still like to claim FUD?
@Darkslash you havent paid attention havent you? Moolah bought coins with devs bitcoins, because people wanted support at ipo price.
And there you have it, support is gone and devs end up with more syscoin. That amount of sys will be returned to devs in 6months from now if I understood correctly. Thats wrong for you too? Damn you just cant please the mass...
Devs kept their word for supporting the coin at ipo price and now you are fudding about it?
And there you have it, support is gone and devs end up with more syscoin. That amount of sys will be returned to devs in 6months from now if I understood correctly. Thats wrong for you too? Damn you just cant please the mass...
Devs kept their word for supporting the coin at ipo price and now you are fudding about it?
@Pmalek, you havent payed attention have you? 250btc buy support was out of the devs btc. In a complete separate transaction, moolah has purchased 140btc worth of sys. get your facts straight. If you still fail to believe, check moolah's twitter posts, its confirmed 140btc was purchased by him.
for the last time this is not FUD, why is it that everytime someone posts proof or facts, desperate holders try to call it lies?
Devs just because you guys promised to be transparent, could you please confirm the percentage of syscoin you currently own from premine and buy support walls. as it stands my calculations come to 34% of current supply, and your partnership (moolah) a further 14% of current supply. Your investors are waiting.
Where are you getting these "Facts" from because it sounds like BS to me?
The Devs havent had any payment from Moolah (they apparantly returned the first 250BTC when the coin launch hit problems), and as far as im aware have never stated that they will be putting that entire first lump sum into buy support.
If i remember a few pages back one of the devs said that a few of the team were aiming to use "some" BTC to try offer buy support but thats all that was said - nothing has happened yet because theyve not had any money? - At least this is my interpretation of the whole thing.
Id be suprised if theres been 250BTC SUM in trades across all exchanges since the thing launched tbh, as volumes have been incredibly low. Bittrex has had an average of about 17 BTC per day, Cryptsy 3 - 5 BTC today - your telling us theyve bought the entire damn supply up?
As for Moolah - they can buy whatever they want its nothing to do with the Devs. If you wanted to buy in 140 BTC worth at launch you think it would be THAT HARD to make a few payments of the 25BTC max as different users etc?
im not even going to bother to argue with you, your obviously a desperate holder trying to break even, so you dismiss everything as FUD and lies.
OK so you want proof eh?
lets lay this out for you in simple terms.
1. ok premine is 59million, (as seen here: http://sys.coinzone.info/address/STqv5wokEnanoedaXY9ihAtvM9ppKhyici)
2. DEVs openly brought 250btc worth (65m) (as buy support) - as discussed in previous thread. search it
3.. moolah brought 140btc (35m sys) worth of the ICO (notice it says of ICO, not after launch) (here: https://twitter.com/moolah_io/status/501022140230299648)
159million syscoins total owned by the partnership and developers- 48% of current supply. or would you still like to claim FUD?
I must say. That's really a sharp observation for the amount of coins owned by the dev+moolah. This is no FUD. This is a fact.
@Pmalek, you havent payed attention have you? 250btc buy support was out of the devs btc. In a complete separate transaction, moolah has purchased 140btc worth of sys. get your facts straight. If you still fail to believe, check moolah's twitter posts, its confirmed 140btc was purchased by him.
for the last time this is not FUD, why is it that everytime someone posts proof or facts, desperate holders try to call it lies?
Devs just because you guys promised to be transparent, could you please confirm the percentage of syscoin you currently own from premine and buy support walls. as it stands my calculations come to 34% of current supply, and your partnership (moolah) a further 14% of current supply. Your investors are waiting.
Where are you getting these "Facts" from because it sounds like BS to me?
The Devs havent had any payment from Moolah (they apparantly returned the first 250BTC when the coin launch hit problems), and as far as im aware have never stated that they will be putting that entire first lump sum into buy support.
If i remember a few pages back one of the devs said that a few of the team were aiming to use "some" BTC to try offer buy support but thats all that was said - nothing has happened yet because theyve not had any money? - At least this is my interpretation of the whole thing.
Id be suprised if theres been 250BTC SUM in trades across all exchanges since the thing launched tbh, as volumes have been incredibly low. Bittrex has had an average of about 17 BTC per day, Cryptsy 3 - 5 BTC today - your telling us theyve bought the entire damn supply up?
As for Moolah - they can buy whatever they want its nothing to do with the Devs. If you wanted to buy in 140 BTC worth at launch you think it would be THAT HARD to make a few payments of the 25BTC max as different users etc?
im not even going to bother to argue with you, your obviously a desperate holder trying to break even, so you dismiss everything as FUD and lies.
OK so you want proof eh?
lets lay this out for you in simple terms.
1. ok premine is 59million, (as seen here: http://sys.coinzone.info/address/STqv5wokEnanoedaXY9ihAtvM9ppKhyici)
2. DEVs openly brought 250btc worth (65m) (as buy support) - as discussed in previous thread. search it
3.. moolah brought 140btc (35m sys) worth of the ICO (notice it says of ICO, not after launch) (here: https://twitter.com/moolah_io/status/501022140230299648)
159million syscoins total owned by the partnership and developers- 48% of current supply. or would you still like to claim FUD?
@Darkslash you havent paid attention havent you? Moolah bought coins with devs bitcoins, because people wanted support at ipo price.
And there you have it, support is gone and devs end up with more syscoin. That amount of sys will be returned to devs in 6months from now if I understood correctly. Thats wrong for you too? Damn you just cant please the mass...
Devs kept their word for supporting the coin at ipo price and now you are fudding about it?
And there you have it, support is gone and devs end up with more syscoin. That amount of sys will be returned to devs in 6months from now if I understood correctly. Thats wrong for you too? Damn you just cant please the mass...
Devs kept their word for supporting the coin at ipo price and now you are fudding about it?
@Pmalek, you havent payed attention have you? 250btc buy support was out of the devs btc. In a complete separate transaction, moolah has purchased 140btc worth of sys. get your facts straight. If you still fail to believe, check moolah's twitter posts, its confirmed 140btc was purchased by him.
for the last time this is not FUD, why is it that everytime someone posts proof or facts, desperate holders try to call it lies?
Devs just because you guys promised to be transparent, could you please confirm the percentage of syscoin you currently own from premine and buy support walls. as it stands my calculations come to 34% of current supply, and your partnership (moolah) a further 14% of current supply. Your investors are waiting.
Where are you getting these "Facts" from because it sounds like BS to me?
The Devs havent had any payment from Moolah (they apparantly returned the first 250BTC when the coin launch hit problems), and as far as im aware have never stated that they will be putting that entire first lump sum into buy support.
If i remember a few pages back one of the devs said that a few of the team were aiming to use "some" BTC to try offer buy support but thats all that was said - nothing has happened yet because theyve not had any money? - At least this is my interpretation of the whole thing.
Id be suprised if theres been 250BTC SUM in trades across all exchanges since the thing launched tbh, as volumes have been incredibly low. Bittrex has had an average of about 17 BTC per day, Cryptsy 3 - 5 BTC today - your telling us theyve bought the entire damn supply up?
As for Moolah - they can buy whatever they want its nothing to do with the Devs. If you wanted to buy in 140 BTC worth at launch you think it would be THAT HARD to make a few payments of the 25BTC max as different users etc?
im not even going to bother to argue with you, your obviously a desperate holder trying to break even, so you dismiss everything as FUD and lies.
OK so you want proof eh?
lets lay this out for you in simple terms.
1. ok premine is 59million, (as seen here: http://sys.coinzone.info/address/STqv5wokEnanoedaXY9ihAtvM9ppKhyici)
2. DEVs openly brought 250btc worth (65m) (as buy support) - as discussed in previous thread. search it
3.. moolah brought 140btc (35m sys) worth of the ICO (notice it says of ICO, not after launch) (here: https://twitter.com/moolah_io/status/501022140230299648)
159million syscoins total owned by the partnership and developers- 48% of current supply. or would you still like to claim FUD?
this coin should never ever have dropped below ICO price. if the devs were competent this wouldn't have happened, but there were unexperienced and clear amateurs. it makes ZERO sense that investors are down $227,000 and devs are up $994,000 usd. its just pure greed.
complete failure, the whole point of an ICO was so that people actually make money.
complete failure, the whole point of an ICO was so that people actually make money.
Well u FUDers have done a great job. Hope you guys have made good money out from this. Well, guess not good enough. That's why you are still here.
this coin should never ever have dropped below ICO price. if the devs were competent this wouldn't have happened, but there were unexperienced and clear amateurs. it makes ZERO sense that investors are down $227,000 and devs are up $994,000 usd. its just pure greed.
complete failure, the whole point of an ICO was so that people actually make money.
complete failure, the whole point of an ICO was so that people actually make money.
I thought this guys posts were gonna get deleted? It's passed the point of constructive criticism.. This guy is a loon.
He is creating trash faster than I can delete it, please ignore this troll. Don't feed the trolls.
this coin should never ever have dropped below ICO price. if the devs were competent this wouldn't have happened, but there were unexperienced and clear amateurs. it makes ZERO sense that investors are down $227,000 and devs are up $994,000 usd. its just pure greed.
complete failure, the whole point of an ICO was so that people actually make money.
complete failure, the whole point of an ICO was so that people actually make money.
I thought this guys posts were gonna get deleted? It's passed the point of constructive criticism.. This guy is a loon.
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