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February 13, 2018, 11:39:40 AM
Not announcing on bitcointalk is being misconstrued as connivance for a faux-premine under the pretense of no premine. Tis hardly fair that a sprouting cryptocurrency, which presumably strives to be taken serious, expected serious cryptocurrency industry players to find it on a not-so-serious memeboard.

Devs even admitted that their official announcement was a post on 4chan, then proceeded to mine the genesis block like it was fine. Then mining with the full force of mining rigs during the laughable ease of an early no premine coin.

An absent announcement on official channels is not only a political blunder, but a hint toward dirty dealings and even scams.

In that same logic, I could create a new no premine coin, announce it on the back of a comic book, then hurrying to continuously mine it up before word spreads knowing fully well that serious players would never have seen the announcement until after I've gotten a significang head start.

Regrettably, it's over and done with. ANN is here now. Damage control enacted. People overlook it and have forgotten.

Admin betrayal is also swept under the rug likely. No dabbling into that, then. Aforementioned, my pov is apathetic. But anyone who wants to dig deeper will find the episode without effort.

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February 13, 2018, 11:15:08 AM
Not attempting a comparison, but turtlecoin is 3 months old now. Many coins, 3 months after launch, are already on a main exchange. But then again, these coins may or may not have had more monetary support (either donated or crowdfunded). In crypto, most coins three months after launch are not considered to be in their infancy. You do that before launch.

I would not consider a two month old coin (yes 2, not 3) in any way mature.  The coins that went straight to exchanges (of which I am naive to anyway so I can't comment), that would have been their plan.  But raising money and crowdfunding is entirely against the principal of the coin.

Volume doesn't magically appear, but it's not a lie that the coin's market isn't oversaturated. There are less than 400 million turtlecoins combined on both tradesatoshi and tradeogre. Only a small percent of turtlecoins mined to date. Miners looking for healthier trades to dump their coins. If the promise is Q2, hopefully it sticks.

Miners do look to sell their coins for a healthy price, they will have to wait though. Organic growth is slow, but should be more stable than vapid growth.

If, as the devs say, the true issue is with the coin's immaturity, which can be seen from all the emergency updates and upgrades randomly popping up since inception, then it shouldn't be allowed on any other exchanges. The two exchanges it's on right now are strained enough keeping up with the time-consuming requests for updates and upgrades from this infant coin.

Yes, that is our whole point.  Lets fix the problems before adding exchanges, that does not seem unreasonable.
We have only added 1 exchange, TradeOgre added us on their own.

The only upside that I've seen thus hither is the growth of the community fueled by promises of grandeur and fun times. After that, the project appears littered with bugs and missteps by both the community, devs, and whatnot. Admins betraying each other, devs mass banning members of their own community, code bugs, withholding exposure from bitcointalk and other important venues. All covered up with nicely fitting excuses

I am unsure about the betrayal you are referring to, but the withholding from bitcointalk was a slight oversight, but also a great benefit.  Because another clone coin, with nothing, not even a community would not have attracted so much interest or mining capability so quickly.

There are no excuses, the BTCT [ANN] thread was an oversight, and the accidental banning of people on Discord (only the one significant one I can think of) was embarrassing, but there were no excuses made, it was a mistake.

I'm shocked that so much stock is put into the timing of the [ANN] announcement, it completely ignores the purpose and intention of the coin.  It is not a get rich quick coin, and will take significant time to mature.  We would be happy to not attract investors with that kind of mentality right now, it is very counter productive.
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February 13, 2018, 11:07:29 AM
Any Bounty Campaign?
There's a bounty room in the discord channel - https://discordapp.com/invite/NZ7QYJA
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February 13, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
Any Bounty Campaign?
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February 13, 2018, 10:52:49 AM
Not attempting a comparison, but turtlecoin is 3 months old now. Many coins, 3 months after launch, are already on a main exchange. But then again, these coins may or may not have had more monetary support (either donated or crowdfunded). In crypto, most coins three months after launch are not considered to be in their infancy. You do that before launch.

Volume doesn't magically appear, but it's not a lie that the coin's market isn't oversaturated. There are less than 400 million turtlecoins combined on both tradesatoshi and tradeogre. Only a small percent of turtlecoins mined to date. Miners looking for healthier trades to dump their coins. If the promise is Q2, hopefully it sticks.

If, as the devs say, the true issue is with the coin's immaturity, which can be seen from all the emergency updates and upgrades randomly popping up since inception, then it shouldn't be allowed on any other exchanges. The two exchanges it's on right now are strained enough keeping up with the time-consuming requests for updates and upgrades from this infant coin.

These are all merely factual observations as I remain apathetic to either side of the argument. I will still be watching turtlecoin in the months to come, both shortcomings and merits, and it will become clear whether it's crumbling or flourishing. The only upside that I've seen thus hither is the growth of the community fueled by promises of grandeur and fun times. After that, the project appears littered with bugs and missteps by both the community, devs, and whatnot. Admins betraying each other, devs mass banning members of their own community, code bugs, withholding exposure from bitcointalk and other important venues. All covered up with nicely fitting excuses

I hope Turtle doesn't turn out to be as sillily coded as its silly nature.
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February 13, 2018, 10:47:22 AM
how to see balance on paper wallet generated from official site ?
You need to import it into the GUI/CLI wallet.  There's instructions here: https://www.reddit.com/r/TRTL/comments/7u68ds/how_to_import_my_paper_wallet/
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February 13, 2018, 10:44:29 AM
No one is willing to pony up any significant amount of money to get this coin listed because, well, this coin is simply a silly meme to them. That's what this coin attracts... people who want to have fun. Donating thousands is a serious endeavor, and one that this community isn't prepared to commit to. They just want to have fun.
This is untrue - the devs paid 1.5BTC (this is in the tens of thousands of USD$) to get the coin listed on TradeSatoshi. That's a lot of money to invest in an exchange.
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February 13, 2018, 10:07:24 AM
I've also been following this thread. I respectfully disagree that turtlecoin won't benefit from being on a legitimate exchange.

It seems like the crux of the problem is accessibility. No one can buy the coin without fear because look at all the drama and issues people are having over these two exchanges that no one even knows about.

If the coin is as solid in code as this thread and GitHub purports, then it deserves to be on an exchange of reputation. Even EtherDelta would be fine, too bad it's not an ERC20 token.

I think there are other underlying issues, maybe not with the code, but with funding. A coin just can't exist with 0 funding, look at dogecoin. The devs are probably leaking money in missed revenue via volunteer time. And maybe the warm community isn't as warm as they'd like us to believe. Maybe no one wants to pitch in with the high exchange listing fees, and I can't blame them. They're in the tens of thousands.

So I think the bottom line is, everyone is coding and volunteering for free. No one is willing to spend on this coin anywhere past simply investing in it for their own personal gain. It's a fundamental error... there's no funding, so there's no progress. After a bit, the main devs won't be able to work for free because it's causing a lot of missed revenue on their real lives.

No one is willing to pony up any significant amount of money to get this coin listed because, well, this coin is simply a silly meme to them. That's what this coin attracts... people who want to have fun. Donating thousands is a serious endeavor, and one that this community isn't prepared to commit to. They just want to have fun.

So while the devs scramble to secretly secure funding, they'll throw a pretty solid cover excuse that two exchanges are enough and at this time more exchanges won't advance TurtleCoin's cause. But in reality, everyone can see that isn't the case.

And as can be seen from the rapid price depreciation of the coin, the coin's economy is suffering severely from these substellar exchanges with issues. And if the coin doesn't get on solid exchanges, the price will either stagnate or continue to drop. When the price drops even more, less people will be attracted to the coin and the turtle community because they'll feel like it has no potential.

When a new coin's price spirals downward, it's interpreted as a deadly sign by almost anyone. Coupled with the troll / humor'ish nature of the coin... it's just too many bad signs. No one will see it's trying to be a serious project.

I can foresee this coin stagnating in price the longer it stays on these two bad excahges. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But even when these two exchanges get their wallets fixed (why do they need to get their wallets fixed? Why does Turtlecoin have so many bugs that it's demanding so much of a pain from both exchanges in upgrades/updates and having to join their discord just to get help?)

It's just one bad sign after another. Stable code? Maybe not.

But, to be fair, if it crawls to 1 or 2 satoshi, I will invest in. Anything higher than that and I could end up with the rest of the stagnation.

That is an interesting observation but with some, significant misgivings and flaws in it's analysis:

1)  The point of TurtleCoin is to prove that it can be done without investment, and from a standing start.
2)  Developers are well remunerated in their personal lives, this is a technical exercise with many more devs than many bigger coins.  If some come and go, the coin will live.
3)  The code is based on ByteCoin, which is very well established.  But with 30s block times, it has shown up floors.  Which have been fixed.  TradeOgre's wallet is currently perfectly functional, i've just tested it.  So it is now only TradeSatoshi.
4)  "Proper Exchanges", yes they cost money.  But that is not the stumbling block.  At the moment the coin is in it's infancy, significant effort needs to be placed into improving the codebase and the tooling before approaching bigger exchanges, because if there are issues we would run the risk of bad rep (much like this).
5)  Dividing the market even further would be a really negative thing, adding another exchange so quickly resulted in lower trade volumes and volume does not magically appear just because you add exchanges.
6)  So, as our plan was to tackle exchanges in Q2 of this year, we will probably continue to ignore requests for yet more exchanges until we are in a position to do so.
7) Developers are not seeking any funding, where do you get your information from?

So, your post being quite disparaging and also showing a very naive understanding of open source communities and how they function aside, you fail to grasp the fact that TRTL launched at 1 sat and is now 5/6 sat 1 month later.  For a coin that has only existed for 2 months those are exceptional numbers.

Hence the "Slow and Steady" mantra, volatility comes from rapid and unsubstantiated rises.  I see no reason why it is unreasonable to secure the codebase, add value and features beyond the base code and add value through technical merit, that is where the transition from a bit of fun and  meme's to a validated project will come.  Throwing money at that does not help that situation, it takes time and dedication.

You round on Discord, and say it's not friendly, but I still see no evidence of your ban, what was your username I will investigate and I apologise unreservedly if you were banned unfairly.
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February 13, 2018, 09:47:36 AM
I've also been following this thread. I respectfully disagree that turtlecoin won't benefit from being on a legitimate exchange.

It seems like the crux of the problem is accessibility. No one can buy the coin without fear because look at all the drama and issues people are having over these two exchanges that no one even knows about.

If the coin is as solid in code as this thread and GitHub purports, then it deserves to be on an exchange of reputation. Even EtherDelta would be fine, too bad it's not an ERC20 token.

I think there are other underlying issues, maybe not with the code, but with funding. A coin just can't exist with 0 funding, look at dogecoin. The devs are probably leaking money in missed revenue via volunteer time. And maybe the warm community isn't as warm as they'd like us to believe. Maybe no one wants to pitch in with the high exchange listing fees, and I can't blame them. They're in the tens of thousands.

So I think the bottom line is, everyone is coding and volunteering for free. No one is willing to spend on this coin anywhere past simply investing in it for their own personal gain. It's a fundamental error... there's no funding, so there's no progress. After a bit, the main devs won't be able to work for free because it's causing a lot of missed revenue on their real lives.

No one is willing to pony up any significant amount of money to get this coin listed because, well, this coin is simply a silly meme to them. That's what this coin attracts... people who want to have fun. Donating thousands is a serious endeavor, and one that this community isn't prepared to commit to. They just want to have fun.

So while the devs scramble to secretly secure funding, they'll throw a pretty solid cover excuse that two exchanges are enough and at this time more exchanges won't advance TurtleCoin's cause. But in reality, everyone can see that isn't the case.

And as can be seen from the rapid price depreciation of the coin, the coin's economy is suffering severely from these substellar exchanges with issues. And if the coin doesn't get on solid exchanges, the price will either stagnate or continue to drop. When the price drops even more, less people will be attracted to the coin and the turtle community because they'll feel like it has no potential.

When a new coin's price spirals downward, it's interpreted as a deadly sign by almost anyone. Coupled with the troll / humor'ish nature of the coin... it's just too many bad signs. No one will see it's trying to be a serious project.

I can foresee this coin stagnating in price the longer it stays on these two bad excahges. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But even when these two exchanges get their wallets fixed (why do they need to get their wallets fixed? Why does Turtlecoin have so many bugs that it's demanding so much of a pain from both exchanges in upgrades/updates and having to join their discord just to get help?)

It's just one bad sign after another. Stable code? Maybe not.

But, to be fair, if it crawls to 1 or 2 satoshi, I will invest in. Anything higher than that and I could end up with the rest of the stagnation.
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February 13, 2018, 09:39:31 AM
Hello,

I know most of you won't believe me. It seems as though the moderators of this forum delete any posts negative to TRTL.

but I just wanted to say that I followed everyone's advice and bought TRTL because of all the good things I've heard from the beginning of this thread and also on Medium.

I went on TradeOgre and right after my order was filled, the platform shut down TRTL trading (or maybe all trading in general?)

Then I tried to transfer my turtles to TradeSatoshi, which didn't work either due to some error.

I went on discord to politely ask what was going on. They said they were not planning on trying to get listed on any known exchanges. "That they were taking it slow." They denied wanting to be listed on Cryptopia, binance, Bittrex, because those exchanges "were not up for it." "Were not private." "Were not decentralized."

So I asked what I should do about my turtles, which could not be transferred out nor could be traded back into BTC! THEY BANNED ME FROM THEIR DISCORD!

In my honest opinion, these cabal are probably behind those TWO exchanges, just stealing people's money by drawing them into buying TRTL, and then technically keeping their money on the exchanges for indefinite periods.

They're just on discord laughing and talking about alcohol while this is going on!

I have searched discord for your issue and simply can't find anything in the history going back days now.

Yes, we will need information because I have just made purchases and transferred TRTL in and out without issue on TradeOgre, as your issue was with their platform, have you tried contacting them?
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February 13, 2018, 09:20:13 AM
Hello,

I know most of you won't believe me. It seems as though the moderators of this forum delete any posts negative to TRTL.

but I just wanted to say that I followed everyone's advice and bought TRTL because of all the good things I've heard from the beginning of this thread and also on Medium.

I went on TradeOgre and right after my order was filled, the platform shut down TRTL trading (or maybe all trading in general?)

Then I tried to transfer my turtles to TradeSatoshi, which didn't work either due to some error.

I went on discord to politely ask what was going on. They said they were not planning on trying to get listed on any known exchanges. "That they were taking it slow." They denied wanting to be listed on Cryptopia, binance, Bittrex, because those exchanges "were not up for it." "Were not private." "Were not decentralized."

So I asked what I should do about my turtles, which could not be transferred out nor could be traded back into BTC! THEY BANNED ME FROM THEIR DISCORD!

In my honest opinion, these cabal are probably behind those TWO exchanges, just stealing people's money by drawing them into buying TRTL, and then technically keeping their money on the exchanges for indefinite periods.

They're just on discord laughing and talking about alcohol while this is going on!

Nobody from TurtleCoin is a moderator here, so there is absolutely no reason for any posts to be deleted here until the general moderators for the forum decide so.  The only comments I know to have been removed were from a FUD'er who was, well, he was what he was.

Sadly, I have no idea why you were banned, I will investigate. Both the exchanges are in the process of reviewing and upgrading the wallet and daemon software to fix a critical bug with refreshing balances.  It is true that at this precise moment we are not seeking entry to any more exchanges as it would not be useful or helpful to the coin right now.

Wallet maintenance is a real pain, if you could shed more information about what status your purchases/transfers are at and what your TradeOgre account is showing that would be useful information to go on.  E.g. have you purchased, but it was unable to transfer out to TS because of wallet maintenance?

P.S. General isn't the best place to get help, as things often drift off topic there.

I don't see anyone freshly added to the exile pile? and I can't find your username on Discord.  What is your username (assuming it's not TurtleMarine Smiley )?

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February 13, 2018, 09:03:52 AM
Hello,

I know most of you won't believe me. It seems as though the moderators of this forum delete any posts negative to TRTL.

but I just wanted to say that I followed everyone's advice and bought TRTL because of all the good things I've heard from the beginning of this thread and also on Medium.

I went on TradeOgre and right after my order was filled, the platform shut down TRTL trading (or maybe all trading in general?)

Then I tried to transfer my turtles to TradeSatoshi, which didn't work either due to some error.

I went on discord to politely ask what was going on. They said they were not planning on trying to get listed on any known exchanges. "That they were taking it slow." They denied wanting to be listed on Cryptopia, binance, Bittrex, because those exchanges "were not up for it." "Were not private." "Were not decentralized."

So I asked what I should do about my turtles, which could not be transferred out nor could be traded back into BTC! THEY BANNED ME FROM THEIR DISCORD!

In my honest opinion, these cabal are probably behind those TWO exchanges, just stealing people's money by drawing them into buying TRTL, and then technically keeping their money on the exchanges for indefinite periods.

They're just on discord laughing and talking about alcohol while this is going on!
This is really funny, you made my day! Grin
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February 12, 2018, 06:09:22 PM
hi, dev
please, make wallet to user debian, because your build for ubuntu, here on my os debian doesnt work.
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February 12, 2018, 05:08:35 PM
I use Turtle GUI wallet, and want to send some coins to exchange. I found that it is impossible from GUI version (becouse no "payment ID" field), and I was ready to instal CLI wallet.
Prior of that I want to insure my GUI wallet becouse it do not have seed.
I start RPC console, execute Method "getViewKey" passed well, but when I start "getSpendKeys" I always got an error:

{"error":{"code":-32600,"message":"Invalid Request"},"id":"237466","jsonrpc":"2.0"}

Where I missed?

Thanks for answers...
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February 12, 2018, 11:25:15 AM
So TradeSatoshi's Turtle wallet is in maintenance mode and Trade Ogre's trading system is down and I'm trying to withdraw Turtle and Bitcoin and both have been pending for awhile now.   What the hell is going on with these exchanges?
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February 12, 2018, 11:09:43 AM
hi

it was my first time,it's looked like more "pro" than tradeogre.
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February 12, 2018, 10:40:42 AM
I wouldn't use Tradesatoshi even if they were free
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February 12, 2018, 09:42:00 AM
hi

i hope for this solution Wink
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February 12, 2018, 09:26:02 AM
hi

wff?
i don't care of this "kid war" ,my TRTL are BLOCKED on the wallet tradesatoshi ,i want my trtl!

There is no "kid war", I understand they are reviewing the new code and when it's installed they will unlock the wallet.  All fairly common and straight forward, happens to most currencies at some point in their life.
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February 12, 2018, 09:17:24 AM
hi

wff?
i don't care of this "kid war" ,my TRTL are BLOCKED on the wallet tradesatoshi ,i want my trtl!
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