[ANN] UNIVERSA | Blockchain Protocol for Business - page 90.

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Quote from: ampirebus on October 22, 2018, 02:13:25 PM

Not has no more than 10% of nodes but will have less than 10%. Read carefully please.

I read carefully. You did not understand me a little. I mean, Universa can have 90+% nodes, and no one will know about it. How can I check the fact of no more than 10%? Or just believe the words of the team?

I don't think that this is interesting for Universa first. What for? To control blockchain? What is the purpose of having this majority of nodes? To do what?

Most nodes are control of information stored in a blockchain. And if we are talking about banks or governments, then this is a violation of their security.

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Quote from: ampirebus on October 22, 2018, 02:13:25 PM

Not has no more than 10% of nodes but will have less than 10%. Read carefully please.

I read carefully. You did not understand me a little. I mean, Universa can have 90+% nodes, and no one will know about it. How can I check the fact of no more than 10%? Or just believe the words of the team?

Everyone can have 90+% nodes in every system and you will never know. I think there will be some kind of scan or something like that to check where the node is and who belongs to.

That's right, but in any other truly decentralized system, all this regulates the market. In your system, the role of the market is assumed by the CEO of Universa. Therefore, I am talking about a centralized system.

Well, if we speak about the Ethereum network we can also say that it is centralized because of Vitalik's huge role and influence. However, I have already asked a question above, about the reason of having such a huge amount of nodes? What for?

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Quote from: timpum on October 22, 2018, 03:03:23 PM

Quote from: ampirebus on October 22, 2018, 02:13:25 PM

Not has no more than 10% of nodes but will have less than 10%. Read carefully please.

I read carefully. You did not understand me a little. I mean, Universa can have 90+% nodes, and no one will know about it. How can I check the fact of no more than 10%? Or just believe the words of the team?

I don't think that this is interesting for Universa first. What for? To control blockchain? What is the purpose of having this majority of nodes? To do what?

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I didn't understand why people are spamming with aiodex link I saw so many people or bots posting the similar message in all discussion thread. Please we stop this spamming we don't need this exchange for this token.

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Quote from: timpum on October 22, 2018, 03:03:23 PM

Quote from: ampirebus on October 22, 2018, 02:13:25 PM

Not has no more than 10% of nodes but will have less than 10%. Read carefully please.

I read carefully. You did not understand me a little. I mean, Universa can have 90+% nodes, and no one will know about it. How can I check the fact of no more than 10%? Or just believe the words of the team?

Everyone can have 90+% nodes in every system and you will never know. I think there will be some kind of scan or something like that to check where the node is and who belongs to.

That's right, but in any other truly decentralized system, all this regulates the market. In your system, the role of the market is assumed by the CEO of Universa. Therefore, I am talking about a centralized system.

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Quote from: bey85 on October 22, 2018, 01:59:47 PM

this is the longest ico project I know, I followed the airdrop and until now I have not received the token distribution

There was no airdrop. If you are about bounty campaign it is over and all the tokens have been sended. If you have any questions feel free to ask here https://t.me/universabounty

I remembered they had airdrop and referral program but it required to have minimum 1k token to become eligible for that promo. Now this project launched the mainnet and deadline to make request of these already passed so it is not possible to claim these tokens.

Yes, they had a program that rewarded users for inviting other people. As far as I remember, tokens were added to a personal account https://check.universa.io. If you are talking about these then you had to move these tokens to the main network by the link from the letter that was sent to all participants!

And all the sends have been done in time.

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Quote from: ampirebus on October 22, 2018, 02:13:25 PM

Not has no more than 10% of nodes but will have less than 10%. Read carefully please.

I read carefully. You did not understand me a little. I mean, Universa can have 90+% nodes, and no one will know about it. How can I check the fact of no more than 10%? Or just believe the words of the team?

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Quote from: Ano on October 22, 2018, 02:24:09 PM

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Quote from: bey85 on October 22, 2018, 01:59:47 PM

this is the longest ico project I know, I followed the airdrop and until now I have not received the token distribution

There was no airdrop. If you are about bounty campaign it is over and all the tokens have been sended. If you have any questions feel free to ask here https://t.me/universabounty

I remembered they had airdrop and referral program but it required to have minimum 1k token to become eligible for that promo. Now this project launched the mainnet and deadline to make request of these already passed so it is not possible to claim these tokens.

Yes, they had a program that rewarded users for inviting other people. As far as I remember, tokens were added to a personal account https://check.universa.io. If you are talking about these then you had to move these tokens to the main network by the link from the letter that was sent to all participants!

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Quote from: Ano on October 22, 2018, 02:24:09 PM

Quote from: ampirebus on October 22, 2018, 02:11:51 PM

Quote from: bey85 on October 22, 2018, 01:59:47 PM

this is the longest ico project I know, I followed the airdrop and until now I have not received the token distribution

There was no airdrop. If you are about bounty campaign it is over and all the tokens have been sended. If you have any questions feel free to ask here https://t.me/universabounty

I remembered they had airdrop and referral program but it required to have minimum 1k token to become eligible for that promo. Now this project launched the mainnet and deadline to make request of these already passed so it is not possible to claim these tokens.

Maybe you are confusing something. But if you have questions about bounty programs, feel free to join the chat and ask.

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Quote from: ampirebus on October 22, 2018, 02:11:51 PM

Quote from: bey85 on October 22, 2018, 01:59:47 PM

this is the longest ico project I know, I followed the airdrop and until now I have not received the token distribution

There was no airdrop. If you are about bounty campaign it is over and all the tokens have been sended. If you have any questions feel free to ask here https://t.me/universabounty

I remembered they had airdrop and referral program but it required to have minimum 1k token to become eligible for that promo. Now this project launched the mainnet and deadline to make request of these already passed so it is not possible to claim these tokens.

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Centralized database? Ummm... How is this possible? According to the plans, Universa will hold not more than 20% of nodes if I'm not mistaken. All other nodes will be from users. Centralized? Nope. The fact that they are licensing nodes does not makes them a centralized system. They use PoA mechanism

Yes, licensing is a sign of centralization. The CEO decides who gets the license. And it doesn't matter how many nodes Universa have officially.

This is called Proof of Authorisation. And this mechanism allows the system to avoid 51% attack as well. The team will have not more than 10% of total nodes number. PoA will not influence the nodes running processes.

How does this help avoid the 51% attack? How do you check the connection of different people who receive a license? Why these people can't come together?

This is let me say the first step, the easiest one. Here we verify that the nodes are not going into one arms. The second is 90%+ consensus of nodes.

That is, all power is in your hands? Can such a concept be called decentralized? I can not agree with this definition. After all, everything speaks of centralized management.

We are talking about 90%+ consensus and you are calling it centralized. Universa will have less than 10%. Where is centralization?

How can a particular person be sure that Universa has no more than 10% of nodes? Just believe in the honesty of the team? That sounds pretty stupid.