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August 13, 2013, 02:10:38 PM
Hearing about small delays up-front (rather than weeks later) is a nice breath of fresh air. Keep up with the good communication.
August 13, 2013, 02:06:48 PM
Thanks for the info, Dave. The honesty is very refreshing. I assume the boards being mentioned are H-boards, I woudn't think that M-boards would be nearly as big an issue ( and didn't I read they are being produced in (?) Finland (?) )
I also guess these are well short of qualifying as being "Dave's semi-working" boards. Two missing layers? Ouch... They screwed up bigtime. Hope they make it right for you...
I also guess these are well short of qualifying as being "Dave's semi-working" boards. Two missing layers? Ouch... They screwed up bigtime. Hope they make it right for you...
August 13, 2013, 01:46:53 PM
Guys - Les received the boards today and ... they have a problem. The fab dropped 2 of our layers, producing a 2-layer PCB (no internal interconnects). We identified the problem immediately, got it fixed, and the fab is now expediting new PCBs on a 5-day turn. We are seeking to expedite each additional step this is going to take, but we *will* lose 3 - 5 days here (and 10's of thousands of $$$)
Steps we are taking:
-2-day turn verification rig in production now
-send a team member to China to in-person test this rig
-expedite all stages of PCB production, assembly & delivery
Since we will be right up against our retail delivery timeframe, we are going to have to use the 100TH boards for filling retail product. Due to this, Tytus has announced an increased hashrate supply to our 100TH investors of 200TH total, to be deployed in the next two months cumulatively (not all at once at the end).
We are as upset at the delay/fakap as you are I'm sure. This is one of the side affects of pushing such a fast track project, but we are making it right. Believe me we want this stuff hashing as much as anyone and we are pulling out all the stops to get it done.
Steps we are taking:
-2-day turn verification rig in production now
-send a team member to China to in-person test this rig
-expedite all stages of PCB production, assembly & delivery
Since we will be right up against our retail delivery timeframe, we are going to have to use the 100TH boards for filling retail product. Due to this, Tytus has announced an increased hashrate supply to our 100TH investors of 200TH total, to be deployed in the next two months cumulatively (not all at once at the end).
We are as upset at the delay/fakap as you are I'm sure. This is one of the side affects of pushing such a fast track project, but we are making it right. Believe me we want this stuff hashing as much as anyone and we are pulling out all the stops to get it done.
Thanks for the update Dave and going beyond to keep the delivery schedule of the retail units. Appreciate it.!
With the speed at which the difficulty is increasing, any time lost in delivery directly affects the ROI of the product.
Thanks,
August 13, 2013, 01:45:49 PM
Guys - Les received the boards today and ... they have a problem. The fab dropped 2 of our layers, producing a 2-layer PCB (no internal interconnects). We identified the problem immediately, got it fixed, and the fab is now expediting new PCBs on a 5-day turn. We are seeking to expedite each additional step this is going to take, but we *will* lose 3 - 5 days here (and 10's of thousands of $$$)
Steps we are taking:
-2-day turn verification rig in production now
-send a team member to China to in-person test this rig
-expedite all stages of PCB production, assembly & delivery
Since we will be right up against our retail delivery timeframe, we are going to have to use the 100TH boards for filling retail product. Due to this, Tytus has announced an increased hashrate supply to our 100TH investors of 200TH total, to be deployed in the next two months cumulatively (not all at once at the end).
We are as upset at the delay/fakap as you are I'm sure. This is one of the side affects of pushing such a fast track project, but we are making it right. Believe me we want this stuff hashing as much as anyone and we are pulling out all the stops to get it done.
Steps we are taking:
-2-day turn verification rig in production now
-send a team member to China to in-person test this rig
-expedite all stages of PCB production, assembly & delivery
Since we will be right up against our retail delivery timeframe, we are going to have to use the 100TH boards for filling retail product. Due to this, Tytus has announced an increased hashrate supply to our 100TH investors of 200TH total, to be deployed in the next two months cumulatively (not all at once at the end).
We are as upset at the delay/fakap as you are I'm sure. This is one of the side affects of pushing such a fast track project, but we are making it right. Believe me we want this stuff hashing as much as anyone and we are pulling out all the stops to get it done.
Is this M-boards, H-boards or both?
If 100TH boards are going to be supplied to August retail customers, does this change anything else besides power connections?
Thanks for the update and efforts to stick to the delivery schedule.
August 13, 2013, 01:37:50 PM
Guys - Les received the boards today and ... they have a problem. The fab dropped 2 of our layers, producing a 2-layer PCB (no internal interconnects). We identified the problem immediately, got it fixed, and the fab is now expediting new PCBs on a 5-day turn. We are seeking to expedite each additional step this is going to take, but we *will* lose 3 - 5 days here (and 10's of thousands of $$$)
Steps we are taking:
-2-day turn verification rig in production now
-send a team member to China to in-person test this rig
-expedite all stages of PCB production, assembly & delivery
Since we will be right up against our retail delivery timeframe, we are going to have to use the 100TH boards for filling retail product. Due to this, Tytus has announced an increased hashrate supply to our 100TH investors of 200TH total, to be deployed in the next two months cumulatively (not all at once at the end).
We are as upset at the delay/fakap as you are I'm sure. This is one of the side affects of pushing such a fast track project, but we are making it right. Believe me we want this stuff hashing as much as anyone and we are pulling out all the stops to get it done.
Steps we are taking:
-2-day turn verification rig in production now
-send a team member to China to in-person test this rig
-expedite all stages of PCB production, assembly & delivery
Since we will be right up against our retail delivery timeframe, we are going to have to use the 100TH boards for filling retail product. Due to this, Tytus has announced an increased hashrate supply to our 100TH investors of 200TH total, to be deployed in the next two months cumulatively (not all at once at the end).
We are as upset at the delay/fakap as you are I'm sure. This is one of the side affects of pushing such a fast track project, but we are making it right. Believe me we want this stuff hashing as much as anyone and we are pulling out all the stops to get it done.
August 13, 2013, 12:48:58 PM
Flyboy, you need to understand something: there are no guarantees.
August 13, 2013, 12:41:46 PM
With the Number of October Kits starting off at 400ish orders if I were to order once the orders available get down into the 50's or less, will they still be guaranteed October Orders?
Thanks.
-Flyboy
Thanks.
-Flyboy
August 13, 2013, 10:13:10 AM
Given the current rate of difficulty increases, over 50$ per GH is absurdly overpriced for a 25 GH miner with an October delivery date. Folks would be much better off simply holding their BTC or spending $1300 to buy bitcoin directly.
Currently these miners are being deployed for 100TH mine project and are the most "trusted" pre-deliverable available.
The 400 GH October delivery has a decent chance to make ROI at $20/GH, but I still think the 25 GH October delivery is absurdly overpriced at over $50/GH.
By October, I suspect you'll be able to get a Blade for under $50/GH given the recent ASICMiner price drops.
As stated above, it's not just the hashing board for 1300. I'm buying a starter kit + 3 hashing boards. Even including the Pi and M-boards "extra" cost, it still comes out to $28/GH/s. And I can add 25GH/s whenever I want (or can afford) to for only $500. With KMC, you'll have to buy an entire 100GH/s module to increase hashrate.
August 13, 2013, 09:55:17 AM
The 400 GH October delivery has a decent chance to make ROI at $20/GH, but I still think the 25 GH October delivery is absurdly overpriced at over $50/GH.
By October, I suspect you'll be able to get a Blade for under $50/GH given the recent ASICMiner price drops.
By October, I suspect you'll be able to get a Blade for under $50/GH given the recent ASICMiner price drops.
The $1300 is not just for the 25gh/s hashing board. It is also for a master board and a raspberry pi. You can add 15 additional hashing boards (16 in total including your first one that came with the starter kit) to 1 master board for $500 per hashing board (each 25gh/s).
August 13, 2013, 09:46:06 AM
Given the current rate of difficulty increases, over 50$ per GH is absurdly overpriced for a 25 GH miner with an October delivery date. Folks would be much better off simply holding their BTC or spending $1300 to buy bitcoin directly.
Currently these miners are being deployed for 100TH mine project and are the most "trusted" pre-deliverable available.
The 400 GH October delivery has a decent chance to make ROI at $20/GH, but I still think the 25 GH October delivery is absurdly overpriced at over $50/GH.
By October, I suspect you'll be able to get a Blade for under $50/GH given the recent ASICMiner price drops.
August 13, 2013, 09:30:33 AM
Update:
Rev2 M-boards are currently in production, and I really think it's a good idea to ship the units with those as it makes it more plug and play. My original idea was to produce an adapter cable from PCIe to ring connector, but there's small problem: there's no female cable connector for PCIe Molex(!!), only board ones. This would then mean people would need to cut the PCIe cables that came with their ATX PSU or use a different PSU, a path which I don't want to go, because there are too many things that can go wrong with this approach. Also, although we do provide kensington screw terminals on the board, you don't need to use these if you use two PCIe connectors.
I still believe we will be shipping everything as promised, apart from possibly exceeding specs by 25% on the power consumption side. I'm also working together with Foofighter to produce casings for these units, ie. boxes with fans
I have doubts we will have them available in time for August shipments though 
I should be getting first M-boards on friday, so if all goes as planned, we would start shipping week 34.
Thank you for your orders and support, we're working hard to get these units in your hands asap!
EDIT: Apparently cablez has found a female PCIe connector. I'll try to get hold of these, so we have a plan b should there be any problems with v2 M-board.
Rev2 M-boards are currently in production, and I really think it's a good idea to ship the units with those as it makes it more plug and play. My original idea was to produce an adapter cable from PCIe to ring connector, but there's small problem: there's no female cable connector for PCIe Molex(!!), only board ones. This would then mean people would need to cut the PCIe cables that came with their ATX PSU or use a different PSU, a path which I don't want to go, because there are too many things that can go wrong with this approach. Also, although we do provide kensington screw terminals on the board, you don't need to use these if you use two PCIe connectors.
I still believe we will be shipping everything as promised, apart from possibly exceeding specs by 25% on the power consumption side. I'm also working together with Foofighter to produce casings for these units, ie. boxes with fans
I have doubts we will have them available in time for August shipments though I should be getting first M-boards on friday, so if all goes as planned, we would start shipping week 34.
Thank you for your orders and support, we're working hard to get these units in your hands asap!
EDIT: Apparently cablez has found a female PCIe connector. I'll try to get hold of these, so we have a plan b should there be any problems with v2 M-board.
That is related to a case for the M/H boards - a completely separate product.
August 13, 2013, 09:13:59 AM
Given the current rate of difficulty increases, over 50$ per GH is absurdly overpriced for a 25 GH miner with an October delivery date. Folks would be much better off simply holding their BTC or spending $1300 to buy bitcoin directly.
Currently these miners are being deployed for 100TH mine project and are the most "trusted" pre-deliverable available.
August 13, 2013, 08:50:04 AM
Update:
Rev2 M-boards are currently in production, and I really think it's a good idea to ship the units with those as it makes it more plug and play. My original idea was to produce an adapter cable from PCIe to ring connector, but there's small problem: there's no female cable connector for PCIe Molex(!!), only board ones. This would then mean people would need to cut the PCIe cables that came with their ATX PSU or use a different PSU, a path which I don't want to go, because there are too many things that can go wrong with this approach. Also, although we do provide kensington screw terminals on the board, you don't need to use these if you use two PCIe connectors.
I still believe we will be shipping everything as promised, apart from possibly exceeding specs by 25% on the power consumption side. I'm also working together with Foofighter to produce casings for these units, ie. boxes with fans I have doubts we will have them available in time for August shipments though
I should be getting first M-boards on friday, so if all goes as planned, we would start shipping week 34.
Thank you for your orders and support, we're working hard to get these units in your hands asap!
EDIT: Apparently cablez has found a female PCIe connector. I'll try to get hold of these, so we have a plan b should there be any problems with v2 M-board.
Rev2 M-boards are currently in production, and I really think it's a good idea to ship the units with those as it makes it more plug and play. My original idea was to produce an adapter cable from PCIe to ring connector, but there's small problem: there's no female cable connector for PCIe Molex(!!), only board ones. This would then mean people would need to cut the PCIe cables that came with their ATX PSU or use a different PSU, a path which I don't want to go, because there are too many things that can go wrong with this approach. Also, although we do provide kensington screw terminals on the board, you don't need to use these if you use two PCIe connectors.
I still believe we will be shipping everything as promised, apart from possibly exceeding specs by 25% on the power consumption side. I'm also working together with Foofighter to produce casings for these units, ie. boxes with fans
I have doubts we will have them available in time for August shipments though I should be getting first M-boards on friday, so if all goes as planned, we would start shipping week 34.
Thank you for your orders and support, we're working hard to get these units in your hands asap!
EDIT: Apparently cablez has found a female PCIe connector. I'll try to get hold of these, so we have a plan b should there be any problems with v2 M-board.
August 13, 2013, 08:37:40 AM
New here, right? That's the starter kit including the main board and RPi interface. You add additional H-boards to it at $20/Gh/s = $500 / 25 Gh/s. And if the price seems too high, maybe you should buy one of the competitors products, let's see... BFL sells this neat 25 GH/s "little single" model for about $1250. I think I heard they offer two week delivery...
Not to mention 40 watts per 25gh/s (if not less) vs whatever BFL's is (60gh/s is ~260 watts, so 25 gh/s unit ~120 watts or so). Once difficulty gets way up there, this will make a huge difference, especially for those that pay a lot for electricity. Plus, order from Bitfury and receive it in October. Order from BFL, receive in October, 2014.
August 13, 2013, 08:20:22 AM
New here, right? That's the starter kit including the main board and RPi interface. You add additional H-boards to it at $20/Gh/s = $500 / 25 Gh/s. And if the price seems too high, maybe you should buy one of the competitors products, let's see... BFL sells this neat 25 GH/s "little single" model for about $1250. I think I heard they offer two week delivery...
August 13, 2013, 08:02:29 AM
Given the current rate of difficulty increases, over 50$ per GH is absurdly overpriced for a 25 GH miner with an October delivery date. Folks would be much better off simply holding their BTC or spending $1300 to buy bitcoin directly.
August 13, 2013, 07:32:06 AM
Make sure you get the plain steel kind, don't fall for those pretty all plastic or plastic-coated ones, they won't work.
They do if you peal away the plastic August 13, 2013, 01:14:04 AM
I feel pretty confident that Dave has hitched his cart to the right horse this time. I'm way more comfortable about my preorder with BF than I am with my preorders with BFL and KNC.
I have fears that BFL will go bankrupt before I ever see my orders and KNC, well, I'm getting that same feeling I had with BTCFPGA/BitcoinASIC right before the avalanche.
I have fears that BFL will go bankrupt before I ever see my orders and KNC, well, I'm getting that same feeling I had with BTCFPGA/BitcoinASIC right before the avalanche.
I hope you are right about Dave, and wrong about KNC.
I wish ASICs never existed. The things these companies are putting their customers through is unacceptable. If it is not an outright scam, then they delay your order as long as possible until it is not profitable any longer. It is truly bullshit. I should give Bitfury the benefit of the doubt because they haven't done this yet, but like I said... I am expecting the worst.
Please Bitfury, prove that all ASIC companies aren't out to suck the profit out of the products they sell before their customers receive them. Otherwise, Bitcoin mining is dead IMO, leave it for the big companies/corporations. Along with that, Bitcoin will die a slow death because it is no longer "for the people, by the people".
August 13, 2013, 12:40:17 AM
... if Bitfury fails like BTCFPGA, even if you deliver but with delays. You may as well find a new line of work in that case... I'm hoping for the best, expecting the worst... 
I feel pretty confident that Dave has hitched his cart to the right horse this time. I'm way more comfortable about my preorder with BF than I am with my preorders with BFL and KNC.
I have fears that BFL will go bankrupt before I ever see my orders and KNC, well, I'm getting that same feeling I had with BTCFPGA/BitcoinASIC right before the avalanche.
August 13, 2013, 12:02:24 AM
Can we see a prototype in action or something? I remember seeing the video confirming your hardware was generating nonces, but I'm talking about a video of a product that looks and works exactly how the equipment will when a customer receives it.
Honestly I'm getting a little concerned, there is under 3 weeks left in August. Dave, you are going to be a hated man in these parts of the forums if Bitfury fails like BTCFPGA, even if you deliver but with delays. You may as well find a new line of work in that case... I'm hoping for the best, expecting the worst...
Honestly I'm getting a little concerned, there is under 3 weeks left in August. Dave, you are going to be a hated man in these parts of the forums if Bitfury fails like BTCFPGA, even if you deliver but with delays. You may as well find a new line of work in that case... I'm hoping for the best, expecting the worst...
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