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Topic: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ - page 303. (Read 825850 times)

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How could this Scrypt coin make 600 BTC ICO... only because of this developer? I don't really see anything new here...

because people read the abundance of information available to them.



Read blog.viacoin.com, once you do you'll realize there's only this coin doing this- not just because of the developer.

Typo:  http://blog.viacoin.org
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How could this Scrypt coin make 600 BTC ICO... only because of this developer? I don't really see anything new here...



The Story of Viacoin

If there is something I have learned over the years, it’s that innovation is incremental and good ideas are usually built on the shoulders of existing, well tested and proven technologies. Bitcoin is a good example of this, weaving well seasoned public key cryptography and other mathematical genius with peer to peer protocols, stack based programming languages and proof-of-work.

What makes Bitcoin brilliant is how it unites existing technologies to make something completely revolutionary.

It is also interesting to note how it takes a few stepping stones to get technology right. HashCash was not the solution for digital money, but without it coming first, maybe the next step of Bitcoin would not have been thought of.

I began taking Bitcoin seriously in April 2013 and in July/August 2013 I read J.R. Willett’s Mastercoin proposals where he suggested using blockchain timestamping in Bitcoin to embed data according to a new protocol which could be used to effectively create a new coin within a coin. I found this intriguing but had some technical objections and I was quite vocal during the debates, examples here and here.

Without getting too technical, there is a concept called ‘blockchain bloat’ and it’s quite a political problem within the Bitcoin developer space (because the definition is open to interpretation), and there are continuous efforts to reduce it.

By October I decided I was going to address my objections by creating my own solution. However, I got pretty caught up in other things and then the Bitcoin bull-run took my attention and I became quite well known in trading circles. Then in January alone came Counterparty, another protocol designed to embed a new Mastercoin like protocol in the Bitcoin blockchain. This attempt was in my opinion much better and further inspired me to pursue my original solution, since this was a confirmation I was on the right track, but my attention was still taken up by trading and there was so much more excitement to come with the China and MtGox for the next few months.

I liked Counterparty and it was pretty much what I had envisioned myself and they have run with the technology and spent a lot of time building it out but they still didn’t address my main objections, they it’s further confirmation of the concepts.

So what were my main objections? Firstly, Bitcoin was not designed to be a carrier pigeon and although it’s possible to encode data within normal Bitcoin transactions, there are a lot of political objections to it. This matters a lot because the people who contribute to Bitcoin development can, and has already done things that restrict the use of Bitcoin for these ‘non-standard’ purposes. There are arguably ways to encode data that cannot be blocked, but the real question is, how feasible is it to build a system like this on the back of Bitcoin when you have no idea if the next release of Bitcoin will outlaw your code.

Most recently for example, when Counterparty published their papers, they committed to using OP_RETURN based on 80 byte storage only to find Bitcoin 0.9.0 prevents relaying of transactions containing more than OP_RETURN of 40 bytes! Quite a nasty surprise!

So ask yourself, “is playing cat and mouse really a viable option for a smart protocol?” Bitcoin will definitely continue to play whack-a-mole against perceived blockchain abuse. Despite all the benefits of building on an existing, well established infrastructure, it’s simply not safe to do so when that infrastructure can outlaw you at any time.

My next objection was a matter of speed. Bitcoin is terribly slow to confirm blocks. The target of 10 minutes is already too slow, and add variance and it gets a whole lot worse. And, 0-confirmation transactions are not safe as has been demonstrated (as they can be double spent). Who hasn’t found themselves waiting an hour at least once, just to get a single confirmation? That kind of latency makes it pretty useless if you wanted to run a decentralized exchange on top of the protocol.

It was clear as day to me from the beginning, that any such endeavour requires a separate blockchain that was not only faster, but friendly to the data embedding methodology. Namecoin chose this path for example to build out a decentralised domain registration system. But unfortunately, it seems some people have an almost religious conviction that they must use the Bitcoin blockchain come what may.

When I saw the whole OP_RETURN debacle unfold I promised myself I would wait and watch to see what happened and if anyone would do the right thing or let their inflexibility hold them back. I waited, and since no-one filled the void, I decided I would take the plunge.

So here we are, Viacoin is my solution: it’s a currency and store of value in it’s own right (symbol VIA); and has fast blockchain, 25 times faster than Bitcoin and further speedups may be possible in the future by changing how the network synchronizes blocks. There are some interesting research paper on the matter.

The Viacoin blockchain is completely supportive of OP_RETURN data storage and will remain so. Since there is a already tried protocol, I have shelved mine and we will use Counterparty as our starting point for ClearingHouse. I believe this is the best way forward because we know it works already and will be very easy to get up and running. ClearingHouse will have it’s own internal currency, called XCH.

So the roadmap looks something like this:

Bootstrap Viacoin distribution by presale.
Launch the Viacoin network.
Build out viacoin services.
Launch ClearingHouse using proof based VIA to XCH conversion process.
Build out services
In summary, Viacoin and ClearingHouse have been a long time in the coming. I would like to have been first because, well that would have been a lot cooler. However, the fact other projects came along with similar concepts tells me it was a good idea. All ideas are incremental, so it’s not a matter “who thought of it first” because in the end, good technology and usable systems is what matters. I would particularly like to thank Namecoin developers who really started the ball rolling for alternative uses for blockchain storage, and to J.R. Willett and PhantomPhreak who really got the world thinking about the next steps after bitcoin.

ClearingHouse can go a lot further, to develop protocols for decentralized voting, identity and reputation management, setup and exchange of multisignature escrow, “blockchain notary” and a whole host of other applications.

As with all new things, this could all go wrong, but believe we are in a much better place than if we had been the pioneers because we know it’s possible, it’s just more a matter of the implementation details. Viacoin presale distribution has been designed to give an early adopter advantage similar to that of Bitcoin, with equal risk of failure. Ultimately the market will decide, but I think there has never been a more exciting time to be in crypto, than now.
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How could this Scrypt coin make 600 BTC ICO... only because of this developer? I don't really see anything new here...

because people read the abundance of information available to them.



Read blog.viacoin.com, once you do you'll realize there's only this coin doing this- not just because of the developer.
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How could this Scrypt coin make 600 BTC ICO... only because of this developer? I don't really see anything new here...

because people read the abundance of information available to them.
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Point. Click. Blockchain
Come mine at:

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1 VIA bonus to all block finders!


Just found the first block for the 1 via bonus.  Thanks.  Smiley


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How could this Scrypt coin make 600 BTC ICO... only because of this developer? I don't really see anything new here...

Yes
I'd never invest just in a coin, only in the developer of a coin
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How could this Scrypt coin make 600 BTC ICO... only because of this developer? I don't really see anything new here...
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question from this noob to others who've been closely following this coin:

could anyone summarise what's special about it?
have the devs lived up to their promises?

Any hidden problems -
premines?
instamines?
well distributed? is there a rich list?
buggy code?
are these are hard core programmers, not "copy-paste" devs or middlemen? When bugs/fork challenge pop up, are they fixed quickly?
dev squabbles?
dev complacency?
missed deadlines?
Is the entirte dev team anonymous -- and even if so, does it at least have a solid reputation here on bitcointalk?

Anything to worry about?

So far no hidden problems.  
No Premine.
No Instamine.
Fairly well distributed except for one whale (has a history of being a whale in other successful coins w/o selling).  http://presale.viacoin.org/list.html
Well respected developer so code likely to not be buggy. (but i can't answer this for certain as I am not a developer)
Again well respected developer, no "copy-paste" dev or middleman.  Everything appears to be handled very quickly so far.
No dev squabbles that i've seen.
Again, so far dev. has delivered with speed.
I have not seen developer yet not deliver on what he has said.  Again, I feel like he's moving very fast (these claims are evident in the thread).
BTCdrak has a very solid reputation which is the main reason most people invested money in this.

Here is the original thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=682186.1020

Here is the rich list and info about the presale:

http://presale.viacoin.org/list.html

http://presale.viacoin.org/

Here is info about the coin:

http://viacoin.org/



Many thanks for the very helpful answers.
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Pump-able but will the coin sustain if people don't want to mine for such a low reward/market price ratio? It's only the first day so we will see.

Mining @ 16mh.

Please donate some VIA to help support!

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first of all what do they mean by clearing house ? is this coin an exchange or working with one? and how many coins were distributed on presale and how many in existence? i looked around for this info cannot find any ? someone clarify plz
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Wish I had had more to throw into the ICO.. This coin looks promising for the long term. Will probably pick up more on the market. I kind of hope it will dip down to ICO price for that reason  Grin
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question from this noob to others who've been closely following this coin:

could anyone summarise what's special about it?
have the devs lived up to their promises?

Any hidden problems -
premines?
instamines?
well distributed? is there a rich list?
buggy code?
are these are hard core programmers, not "copy-paste" devs or middlemen? When bugs/fork challenge pop up, are they fixed quickly?
dev squabbles?
dev complacency?
missed deadlines?
Is the entirte dev team anonymous -- and even if so, does it at least have a solid reputation here on bitcointalk?

Anything to worry about?

So far no hidden problems.  
No Premine.
No Instamine.
Fairly well distributed except for one whale (has a history of being a whale in other successful coins w/o selling).  http://presale.viacoin.org/list.html
Well respected developer so code likely to not be buggy. (but i can't answer this for certain as I am not a developer)
Again well respected developer, no "copy-paste" dev or middleman.  Everything appears to be handled very quickly so far.
No dev squabbles that i've seen.
Again, so far dev. has delivered with speed.
I have not seen developer yet not deliver on what he has said.  Again, I feel like he's moving very fast (these claims are evident in the thread).
BTCdrak has a very solid reputation which is the main reason most people invested money in this.

Here is the original thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=682186.1020

Here is the rich list and info about the presale:

http://presale.viacoin.org/list.html

http://presale.viacoin.org/

Here is info about the coin:

http://viacoin.org/
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Come mine at:

http://via.poolerrangers.com

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1 VIA bonus to all block finders!
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Well, Viacoin's BIGGEST backer didn't move his coins.
http://viacoinexplorer.com/address/VvFp7K6JH2tpEdCWDqKoZSHYFPzCYpQHRE

Great things to come. I bet this guy knows what's next.

If you guys check http://presale.viacoin.org/list.html

You'll know which wallet is playing the markets now.

for example, http://viacoinexplorer.com/address/VwVAFESWoHCvAjV9EMHu4uEsDDWPun9yaW which is wallet no. 2

You can actually check who sold early.

hahhah this is cute
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Well, Viacoin's BIGGEST backer didn't move his coins.
http://viacoinexplorer.com/address/VvFp7K6JH2tpEdCWDqKoZSHYFPzCYpQHRE

Great things to come. I bet this guy knows what's next.

If you guys check http://presale.viacoin.org/list.html

You'll know which wallet is playing the markets now.

for example, http://viacoinexplorer.com/address/VwVAFESWoHCvAjV9EMHu4uEsDDWPun9yaW which is wallet no. 2

You can actually check who sold early.

Mine's no. 184
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VIA/BTC -65.6% at poloniex exchange ..... i still dont get this coin and there is no screen shots no road map.


I believe BtcDrak wants to simulate what Bitcoin & Litecoin did unintentionally, by making only the people that see potential in this buy into it, then with later announcements.. the herd will follow- sort to speak.



Yeah I noticed that too
Was also the same plan darkcoin dev said he was doing at the beginning
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Day trading VIAcoin?

LMAO!!  Grin Grin Grin
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VIA/BTC -65.6% at poloniex exchange ..... i still dont get this coin and there is no screen shots no road map.


I believe BtcDrak wants to simulate what Bitcoin & Litecoin did unintentionally, by making only the people that see potential in this buy into it, then with later announcements.. the herd will follow- sort to speak.  IMO possibly the best thing you can do to the coin economy, let people that know the value of it the most stick around for awhile before they consider selling, like filtering out the bad and keeping the backbone to keep it going.

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