Topic: [ANN] Whirlwind.money | ⚡No Fee⚡ | Ultimate Privacy | Anonymity Mining 12% APR🔥 - page 27. (Read 12718 times)

I saw an interesting post by @Gazetabitcoin, and I went to look at my deposit.
Actually, I noticed I haven't been receiving my Anonymity Mining after my last withdrawal on the few tenth thousand of satoshis I left on the system.
If there are lower thresholds for Anonymity Mining, I am not aware of this.

Have you taken a look at our service? I think we have implemented exactly this!

Glad to read to you had a pleasant experience withdrawing your funds. Would you be able to elaborate on whether you were happy with the amount of anonymity mining rewards on top of the actual signature campaign funds?

There's always some kind of thrill when doing things like this for the first time. You're not 100% sure that you didn't make a mistake until you see the transaction in your wallet. However I would suggest downloading the letter of guarantee for that purpose.
As stated in the FAQ, the letter of guarantee will show the actions you made and therefore will be your proof if for whatever reason the funds don't reach your wallet (as long as you didn't put in a wrong address I guess).

Source: Whirlwind FAQ https://whirlwind.money/faq

This message is to inform I had my first smooth withdrawal experience with Whirlwind.
I have been staking my signature campaign for a few weeks and decided to try to withdraw.
I withdrew the signature amount plus the anonymity mining rewards.
I withdrew almost all my funds.
All was good.

Quite a scary experience: I chose a 0 delay on the most significant withdrawal, but I had to wait almost one hour to see the unconfirmed transaction in my wallet… actually as I processed the withdrawal quite late in the night, I went to bed hoping to see it in my wallet. All was good in the end, as this morning I saw all the due amounts confirmed and safely in my wallet.

I only missed the batching part (it makes sense, btw as far as privacy is concerned): as clearly stated in the thread (not in the OP, if I am correct), all the withdrawal requests are processed once per hour. So when you push the withdrawal button you "lose your coins" as you don't see them in your account, and you don't see them in your wallet either (even as not confirmed).

Once I received the funds, I was able to check my Tx on a block explorer. 
I noticed my transaction being first seen in the mempool a few minutes after the top of the hour, so as expected. The confirmation time is probably the first processed block after that time.

Of course, you have the Guarantee Letter to help you in case of lost funds.
The subsequent withdrawals had a slightly increased hour delay, for testing purposes, and everything went accordingly well.
I can confirm that no fees were applied to the transferred amounts: I received the due amount up to the last satoshi.

All in all a great user experience.
I will start again to keep my reward in whirlwind from next week.

@Whirlwind.money, Is there a plan in the future to send multiple 0.001BTC on same address without leaving the screen. Assuming that multiple address tab can be used on same address to save time on copy paste and download of guarantee letter. I have a balance of 0.0068BTC which I made 4 x 0.001BTC and 1 x 0.0025BTC transaction. This is very time consuming if a user doesn’t want to donate a huge chunk on an mbtc.

If a whole balance is not available, I hope there's an easy way to withdraw on same wallet address.

I spent some time last week working on a clean, beginner-focused explainer graphic of how Whirlwind works. Obviously very simplified, but I think this could pretty much explain the basics of Whirlwind to someone who is a Bitcoin novice.



I hope to contribute more as well until we've got a good library of easy explainer graphics for the different parts of Whirlwind. As a designer, I think a lot of crypto companies are lacking on the design side of things, and I think that really hurts their adoption.

I created a beginner-focused explainer on Blind Certificates as it relates to Whirlwind last month (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62070355). Whirlwind was first proposed as a service that would eventually operate on Blind Certificates (again, to get caught up to speed on that, check out my graphic in the prior link). Theymos had this idea back in 2018, but no one have ever run with it.

Integrating Blind Certificates would be a historic leap, like something on par with the creation of the first DEX or the first DAO. It's what makes me excited about Whirlwind as something more than just another mixer. My current understanding is that this Blind Certificate model is still one of the eventual goals, but the realities of running a business and doing this development is that you obviously first need to gain traction, revenue, etc. first. Then there's the difficulties of explaining a concept that seems confusing (Blind Certificates) to the public in a way that makes them understand it. I'm working on a few volunteer contributions with the design skills I have, and if anyone else has any other skills to contribute so we can add value here and there so the main team can focus on improving and scaling Whirlwind, let's get to work. If you can see the eventual vision, it's easy to get really excited about this as something that will be historic.

As far as I'm concerned they just switched to fungible outputs to provide more anonymity throughout the mixing process. I had to go through the first few pages of this thread because I remembered reading something about it from @whirlwindmoney but they didn't clarify further than this:


Technically having custom outputs (0.00378 for example) wouldn't decrease the anonymity but statistically it would still I guess. If you deposit a certain amount and this exact amount would be withdrawn shortly after, it would be more likely that these 2 transactions are linked although it still could not be proven I guess.

If this issue has already been addressed by Whirlwind then I would like to apologise in advance and request for someone to provide a link because I searched but could not find it.

As for adding odd amounts that cannot be withdrawn to another note to combine them all i(n order to reach a withdrawal amount) is something that really should have been avoided. Was a specific reason why the option to withdraw the total balance was removed? Maybe I am missing the obvious but any explanation as to why the case is as it is would be appreciated.

This is also my problem during my first time of mixing. I just deposit again on new note an amount that will make my remaining balance whole for withdrawal. The best part on whirlwind is there’s no transaction fee when transferring a balance on notes or withdrawing it outside the note to a regular Bitcoin address.

It just time consuming on transferring another batch of Bitcoin on fresh note them send to the original note since it requires Bitcoin network confirmation per transaction. I encounter this issue during the time that mempool is so crowded. But all this extra work is compensated by free withdrawal and interest rate of anonymity mining.

We were doing server upgrades and maintenance. We didn't announce before because we figured it would happen quick enough and since it's Sunday night noone would notice. It will be back up in a bit, I will update this message when it's completed.

Thank you for your understanding and apologies for any inconvenience caused.

Edit 09:47:00 PM: Whirlwind is back online

Whirlwind is down. Please confirm.

Because it is a donation, you cannot forechoose an amount for people to donate to you, that is not how donation works, people donate what they want to donate and the amount they think they can afford, which is optional. There is also no privacy concern with donating to Whirlwind, you just pay to note and donate.

But people use mixers especially to keep their privacy, so when you are withdrawing from your note, whirlwind tries to protect your privacy by preselecting the amount available for withdrawal, they also protect users privacy by providing an option to split withdrawals to different receiving addresses. This is the reason from their FAQ page:

I just had a try to withdraw from whirlwind and realized that I can't manually input the amount to get withdrawn. The amount is pre-selected based on the amount I have, kinda feels like the chips we had in ChipMixer. If I select this, I will have some balance left in whirlwind. When I tried to pay to note and donate, I was able to manually input the amount, then why it's not available in the withdraw tab?
As I previously said, I don't want to receive interest from the whirlwind anonymous mining, can't you block note public address from the pool? I think it's possible, isn't it? If not, I will have to donate the fund to you.

I understand that you are trying to break the norm and become unique to the existing mixers. I’m trying to convey here that users will commit same mistakes because this procedure new. Typically, Guarantee Letter is the most important thing to save when mixing for a person that use other mixer.

The second step includes the Guarantee Letter which makes user feel comfortable to deposit immediately even though they forgot to copy private key on the first step. Also please make the note/warning in color red to make it easier to notice.

In my case, I use your mixer when the fast mode option is available. I’m not aware on this note transition because I’m not following discussion here.

This mistake is purely on my side. I’m not trying to blame the service here. I’m only sharing what makes me cause this mistake aside from not reading thoroughly. I hope that I can receive reply on email. Already got the reply.  Thank you.

If we had to choose between convenience and security we would choose the latter every single time. We considered allowing more than 1 transfer to the same deposit address but ultimately decided against it because we do not want to introduce any possible attack vectors. Right now there are <20 BTC in the multi-sig, but once the balance grows to hundreds we will certainly become a very attractive target for hackers so we simply do not want to take any chances.

The minimum amount is clearly stated so it's the user's responsibility to carefully read all the information and warnings. If the system was decentralized already there would be no refunds in cases like this, or if the user lost the private key. Since that's where Whirlwind is going we believe it's best if we handle support cases same as if the service was already decentralized so users get accustomed to it.

Unless users make mistakes there is simply no way for any 'errors' to happen, so we have no reason to fix something that is not broken, especially if it means that the entire service would become less secure.

If I assume correctly you used the Clearnet website, and if you did then it's normal. It's the same Guarantee Letter, but the .txt file is named differently because of our extra encryption layer.

If the case doesen't involve any manual intervention from our side then the response time is usually under 6 hours, if it does then it's usually 24 hours or more.

Saving the private key may not be the norm, at least on Bitcoin, because no other service works in the same way. We certainly do not see this as a valid argument for why it would be a good idea to adhere to the current 'norm'. If we were to go down that route then Whirlwind wouldn't be what it is today, and we would simply be just another 'traditional mixer'. Considering we believe those systems are fundamentally flawed and that's the sole reason why Whirlwind even exists, it would be quite hypocritical from our side to back down right now just because 2 users didn't properly read the many warnings displayed on the website. Only at the first step there are 3 warnings displayed, let alone the FAQ:

1. The first step is named 'Generate and Save Note Private Key'
2. Immediately after you click 'Generate' you see this text under the Private Key: Save this note someplace safe. | Losing this note means losing access to your deposited funds.
3. If you hover over the 'info' button you will read this: IMPORTANT! | Make sure you store your Note properly, it is a private key and therefore support can't help if you lose it.

It would be possible to introduce the 'Fast' mode again, but that wouldn't make much sense because as soon as we transition to the zk-SNARK based Note system we would have to scrape it again, and that would only add more confusion.

@whirlwind.money not that I’m worried about my balance but there’s no reply on my email acknowledging that someone already received it for almost 24hrs when the email sent. What’s the typical duration for a support to handle cases on email?

Also I’m already the second one here that forgot to download private key when mixing since this is not the norm on mixing. Is it possible to have a simple mixing process just like before that doesn’t need to deposit the balance on note so that we can mix directly without going to the dashboard to mix. I have a plan to use the note for anonymity mining but not using the current funds.

Yes, that would be a good option if possible to integrate. Have not received my funds yet.

It's great that foolazz22 raised this question, I know it's not the mixer's fault but what happens when fees are pretty high, in other words, in order to refund him his $15 at least $10 of it will go in fees, on the other hand, setting low fees might make the transaction stuck for a very long period of time.

What I propose instead, if possible, is to give the user enough time to add a second transfer to bring the total of his deposit to 0.001BTC.

Thanks, I already sent an email regarding my issue. I attached my Guarantee Letter on my email. I also include my unique link to my deposit notes that will prove my ownership.

I have a concern regarding on my recent action, Is it safe attaching my unique link on support email? Also why does the Guarantee Letter keeps changing whenever I download it. I downloaded it twice and it gives me 2 different Guarantee Letter .txt files. Are both letter valid?