Currently the private key is generated by the user in the frontend on the main page. If we were to show it on the next page as well that would imply we generate it ourselves and store it, that's why we didn't do it.
So this raises another question for the community: Do you think we should show the private key on the deposit page as well if that implies we also have access to it?
Others will no doubt express their opinions but I think if you showed the private key it would imply that a breach of trust has occurred. In my opinion it would be a mistake to do that.
I would, once again, lean towards the more clear-cut yet harsher side of things. It is stated before you Generate the note and once you've generated it that you need to save the private key or else your funds will be considered lost. Like I've said before it's a tough situation but user error should not compromise the overall security of a service.
I do not why the member in question felt the need to use tor and clearnet together when he simply could have just used tor.
Something went wrong and he ended up with a letter of guarantee and nothing else (no private keys). Is it fair to say that the full error lay with him rather than his version of events where is stated as saying some part of the blame lay with Whirlwind because they had hosting issues?
For me the way I understand it from previous posts, the clearnet will always be under some form of DDoS and all have been advised on a number of occasions to use tor therefore I fail to see why he is claiming Whirlwind are part responsible for him not saving his private key when he was opening and closing multiple tabs and using multiple browsers.
In this scenario, the user has stated he can provide a letter of guarantee. Assuming this letter of guarantee is indeed the correct one, it will have a deposit address inside it. If the user can also sign a message from the address(es) which sent funds to the address contained within the letter of guarantee, I would say that's pretty compelling evidence that the user is telling the truth and does indeed own those funds.
You are right about the letter of guarantee, he can provide it but he cannot provide a signed message from the address. He has already stated that will be unable to provide a signed message because he was withdrawing the funds from Whirlwind to send to a coinjoin address (maybe to Coinomize, YoMix, [banned mixer], Mixero, Mixtum or another).
This service is made for humans, Humans make mistakes, I believe I can sufficiently prove I sent the money, I sent using sparrow wallet, I can send another one to show I control the originating address before funds got split and coinjoined, I have the letter of guarantee, I still have the tab open (though it now pops up an error message cos its been more than 24 hours).
My only mistake was copying the private note key from the wrong tab
IF support doesn't reply after 5 days, can I now call it a scam?
Or is 5 day not enough too??
You did not get a reply because we simply ignore support requests where users forget or don't save their private keys, this was the general consensus when we had the same issue a few weeks ago.
If somehow the community thinks this situation is different and it warrants a refund, then as always we have no problem doing it as long as it doesn't open the door to other types of abuse later on.
Of course, someone can say that you need to be patient, but I used to like this mixer for its efficiency and speed, but now it is turning into something extremely slow and sluggish. I hope all these problems will be solved soon.
Was your issue resolved? If not please DM or send an e-mail to support. We use lots of servers and Tor circuits sometimes break creating delays, if these issues are more common lately we will make some improvements so it doesn't happen anymore, or at least not this often. Also our clearnet version has been DDoSd continuously for more than 10 days now so that's why it throws errors sometimes.
I guess this is just an unlucky situation that @whirlwindmoney is absent currently.
We are not absent, our e-mail response time is usually under 6 hours, and at most 24 hours in exceptional cases. We simply thought that this situation was discussed already and clear for everyone and that's why we did not reply to this specific user.
So basically the question is, again: should we refund if the user only has the guarantee letter but not the private key, or should we stick to the rule that if you lose the private key you lose access to your funds?
What if we refund this user based on the guarantee letter and then we receive another support request from 'someone else' with the same guarantee letter while also having the private key telling us that he doesn't see his balance on Whirlwind anymore and accuses us of scamming? Do we refund that user as well?
We understand it may be frustrating when unfortunate things like this happen, but like we said the last time we really need to draw a clear line and agree on some 'procedures', otherwise we'll solve this issue today and have another one pop out immediately.
I will give you the deposit wallet private key, how about that, what more can I do to prove I sent this, I quickly posted here and sent a support email the same hour after the deposit was made. I still have the tab open and can prove anything you want. Jesus
Your reply is annoying. If the letter of guarantee is useless then what is the point, All this shouldn't an issue, all other mixers you can withdraw without having to paste anything as long as its still the same browser session, sometimes its good to follow trends of others in your niche rather than starting something new for user experience purposes. Humans are not machines.
You are confidently saying that a user of your service that deposited actual money doesn't deserve a reply to his support request because you have pre-decided a fate for their case (mine is actually very unique), deep inside the threads of a bitcoin forum. So you totally ignored their support email.
2023 Customer support award stuff for a service that is new and in "BETA" This is DAY 5 and I still have not gotten a reply to my support request, not even an autoresponder. I really wish I can afford to ignore the money because this is shameful
As an extreme solution to prove how important this money is to me right now I can fully DOX.. What more do you need @whirlwind.money
It might not be a large amount, but its that important to me right now
No it would not be sufficient for anything and to go through all that hassle just because someone using their service has made a series of errors is not productive nor a good signal to send out to others who use the service incorrectly.
Having said that, the letter of guarantee is sufficient and the address within it should be the address the rightful owner is capable of signing a message. If the owner cannot sign a message from the address because it was going to a coinjoin address, the owner should not have his mistakes paid for by Whirlwind. What would happen if Whirlwind paid him for his mistake and then a few days later another member presented the same letter of guarantee along with a signed address claiming he is the rightful owner?
If the circumstances surrounding stormbounty losing his private key are correct, he will have to both take and accept the loss and then move forward. If he wants to use Whirlwind again he will have to keep in mind how it works otherwise he should use the services of an alternative he finds more convenient.
oh come on, i'm still on the page, no other mixer does this, none, if i left the page and returned it would have been different, i watched the deposit come in, yet i cant withdraw.
So do you still have the page open currently?
Wouldn't that be a sufficient way to prove that @stormbounty is for sure the rightful owner of this note if you say screenshare/livestream to whirlwind support and they can actually confirm?
Because signing is not possible with the wallet i used I will produce the private key, so how about that. Still not sufficient?
I've just sent the wallet
private key(s) of the wallet I used to make the deposit to support email.
I can also share the private key
publicly in the thread, I wave withdrawn the money i have left.
I cant lose my WWM deposit, I need it urgently please