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legendary
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Sorry guys. I will be offline or less online for few days. I was talking with lionheart78 on https://coinmagi.slack.com/ when I received a message that my wife had a scooter accident.
She will be ok but it will take some time.
I will be working on the rules for the new Proof of Interest campaign. ( only 5k XMG and I have the fund we need for this campaign)
I you all have some ideas about improvements for that awesome campaign, pls post it here.
Regards
111magic


Sorry to hear about this. I hope that your wife could recover soon. Accidents will happen, so it is something that cannot be avoided but the most important thing is to be strong. As for the Proof of Interest campaign, I hope that the amount needed for it to begin will be raised soon. If I had enough Magi, I would give some of it to support the campaign, but I am afraid that I'm in an XMG loan in the moment. Still, I think that once POI starts, the price of Magi will be back to $0.01 USD. Grin
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1009
Coin of the Magi!
I guess most of people are expecting PoI.

Magic has been the major one who made this coin stepping forward for years. Look at his twitter, you'll understand what he has done. I believe all including me should appreciate for his works. He has now been super busy with his life, including a recent accident of his wife; even without this accident, I guess he'll need time to take care of personal stuffs.

The exact launch of PoI is to be determined, till he is totally fine with the time.

p.s., The funds for PoS was being done by himself or supporters he found. Later on, we'd consider to replenish him.
legendary
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Coin of the Magi!
their is no max age for coin-age which influence POS rewards (xmg handle that different)
there is a max age for coin weight which influence POS chance

anyway we dont have to discuss or convince each other regarding better POS solutions
DMD for example will move on to a total new codebase with DMD 3.0 in around 6-9 months
constant evolution is part of this fast changing market
and i have strong hope XMG will have his own path of evolution too

Bud, totally NO offense.

You had good suggestions, much appreciated; my point is not standing on something in confusion that the general users who come to this thread will pick. As a Dev (for now), I certainly want to clear that out. Hope you understand. There are some good points / plans belonging to DMD that you may want to keep in your DMD thread alone, IMHO, as we're taking different PoS approaches. I try to avoid incompatibility.
legendary
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u can the ratio min age max age is the key thats why DMD min age /max age for weight (POS chance) is 9/30 days and this way there a max age coin pile just have 3x more weight

Bud, I have to say again this is still a thing secondary, not a fundamental solution. IMO, what's needed is to break up the proportionality between the PoS mining force, and the number of coins and staking time. When you put max coin age 30 days, after limit is reached that seems something like blackcoin.

what u say is a true issue for coins who select min age 1 day (or even worse 2 hours) and max age 30 days

I don't think coins would usually put max age.



their is no max age for coin-age which influence POS rewards (xmg handle that different)
there is a max age for coin weight which influence POS chance

anyway we dont have to discuss or convince each other regarding better POS solutions
DMD for example will move on to a total new codebase with DMD 3.0 in around 6-9 months
constant evolution is part of this fast changing market
and i have strong hope XMG will have his own path of evolution too
legendary
Activity: 1750
Merit: 1005
Sorry guys. I will be offline or less online for few days. I was talking with lionheart78 on https://coinmagi.slack.com/ when I received a message that my wife had a scooter accident.
She will be ok but it will take some time.
I will be working on the rules for the new Proof of Interest campaign. ( only 5k XMG and I have the fund we need for this campaign)
I you all have some ideas about improvements for that awesome campaign, pls post it here.
Regards
111magic


Hope everything is going to be fine. Take your time.
Thank you Joe! I will work on the new Proof of Interest in free time!
legendary
Activity: 1750
Merit: 1005
Sorry guys. I will be offline or less online for few days. I was talking with lionheart78 on https://coinmagi.slack.com/ when I received a message that my wife had a scooter accident.
She will be ok but it will take some time.
I will be working on the rules for the new Proof of Interest campaign. ( only 5k XMG and I have the fund we need for this campaign)
I you all have some ideas about improvements for that awesome campaign, pls post it here.
Regards
111magic


Hi Magic,

Sry to hear about your wife, i hope she well be better soon.

If you dont get the 5k soon i will pay that amount for the new campaign. Grin

Grtz Goldlabel

Thanks Goldlabel. I appriciate this very much.
I will contact you pm.
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1009
Coin of the Magi!


I have few staking addresses with ~1000.0 XMG per address.
There are multiple inputs ranging from ~2 XMG to ~62 XMG.

I want to make M-Wallet to split everything with value >100 XMG and combine every inputs that are becoming "dust", lets say 15 XMG.
What values do I have to enter in magi.conf?
stakesplitthreshold=30

stakecombinethreshold=100

means u split until 30 (resulting in 15)

and merge again back to above 100

merge is also happening as POS and generate rewards (its a so called group stake)

so never coin age get lost even if coin pile get merged the contribute to POS rewards of that merge POS block


My questions then is what happens to stakes with coin values of 50 XMG?
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1009
Coin of the Magi!
I have few staking addresses with ~1000.0 XMG per address.
There are multiple inputs ranging from ~2 XMG to ~62 XMG.

I want to make M-Wallet to split everything with value >100 XMG and combine every inputs that are becoming "dust", lets say 15 XMG.
What values do I have to enter in magi.conf?

I would do
Code:
stakesplitthreshold=100
stakecombinethreshold=15
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1009
Coin of the Magi!
u can the ratio min age max age is the key thats why DMD min age /max age for weight (POS chance) is 9/30 days and this way there a max age coin pile just have 3x more weight

Bud, I have to say again this is still a thing secondary, not a fundamental solution. IMO, what's needed is to break up the proportionality between the PoS mining force, and the number of coins and staking time. When you put max coin age 30 days, after limit is reached that seems something like blackcoin.

what u say is a true issue for coins who select min age 1 day (or even worse 2 hours) and max age 30 days

I don't think coins would usually put max age.

legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1009
Coin of the Magi!
Sorry guys. I will be offline or less online for few days. I was talking with lionheart78 on https://coinmagi.slack.com/ when I received a message that my wife had a scooter accident.
She will be ok but it will take some time.
I will be working on the rules for the new Proof of Interest campaign. ( only 5k XMG and I have the fund we need for this campaign)
I you all have some ideas about improvements for that awesome campaign, pls post it here.
Regards
111magic


Hope everything is going to be fine. Take your time.
hero member
Activity: 575
Merit: 502
Sorry guys. I will be offline or less online for few days. I was talking with lionheart78 on https://coinmagi.slack.com/ when I received a message that my wife had a scooter accident.
She will be ok but it will take some time.
I will be working on the rules for the new Proof of Interest campaign. ( only 5k XMG and I have the fund we need for this campaign)
I you all have some ideas about improvements for that awesome campaign, pls post it here.
Regards
111magic


Hi Magic,

Sry to hear about your wife, i hope she well be better soon.

If you dont get the 5k soon i will pay that amount for the new campaign. Grin

Grtz Goldlabel
legendary
Activity: 1750
Merit: 1005
Sorry guys. I will be offline or less online for few days. I was talking with lionheart78 on https://coinmagi.slack.com/ when I received a message that my wife had a scooter accident.
She will be ok but it will take some time.
I will be working on the rules for the new Proof of Interest campaign. ( only 5k XMG and I have the fund we need for this campaign)
I you all have some ideas about improvements for that awesome campaign, pls post it here.
Regards
111magic
legendary
Activity: 3052
Merit: 1053
bit.diamonds | uNiq.diamonds


I have few staking addresses with ~1000.0 XMG per address.
There are multiple inputs ranging from ~2 XMG to ~62 XMG.

I want to make M-Wallet to split everything with value >100 XMG and combine every inputs that are becoming "dust", lets say 15 XMG.
What values do I have to enter in magi.conf?
stakesplitthreshold=30

stakecombinethreshold=100

means u split until 30 (resulting in 15)

and merge again back to above 100

merge is also happening as POS and generate rewards (its a so called group stake)

so never coin age get lost even if coin pile get merged the contribute to POS rewards of that merge POS block


sr. member
Activity: 312
Merit: 250
Quote

Please have a look at http://coinmagi.org/bin/example-conf/magi.conf, and these two lines:

Code:
# Transaction under stake with a value greater than the threshold is being splitted
stakesplitthreshold=500

# Transactions with values less than the threshold will combine into one
stakecombinethreshold=250

You can check whether settings are set properly by running commands from Console (on Qt wallet):
Code:
getstakesplitthreshold
getstakecombinethreshold

I have few staking addresses with ~1000.0 XMG per address.
There are multiple inputs ranging from ~2 XMG to ~62 XMG.

I want to make M-Wallet to split everything with value >100 XMG and combine every inputs that are becoming "dust", lets say 15 XMG.
What values do I have to enter in magi.conf?
sr. member
Activity: 312
Merit: 250
-SNiP-

Hey there, was going to let you know that our staking pool web site is live now. There is also a faucet available as well. Would love for you to check it out and maybe even contribute some coins in the staking pool.

Check us out:

POSWallet.com

There is something wrong...
I tried once to register and login after that - no luck... Keep getting the message "Incorrect login credentials, please try again."
So I do the registration once again and once again I tried to login. Still the same message...

Do I have to confirm my mail? Because there is no mail received.
legendary
Activity: 3220
Merit: 1363
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I'm very glad that you're happy with the new Qt wallet. It isn't my intention to put some rich information into the client which functions effectively from a coin point of view. I like to have an alternative wallet containing information unrelated to the coin implementation, but something like coin markings etc. If you have any suggestions regarding the present interface, let me know. I could make these into the stable wallet in about two weeks if I have time to accomplish the changes.

Well, I was thinking about adding an extra button right next to the console button in the interface which could be called "Info" or "Information". Right from there you can see current network hashrate, difficulty (PoW and PoS), number of nodes connected, and other useful stuff similar to Casinocoin's wallet. But that is just something extra which will not be very necessary for the complete functionality of the wallet interface.

Nevertheless, the wallet is just perfect. Magi is doing great in both development and community. Keep up the good work!  Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 3052
Merit: 1053
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t's analogy to one having huge mining force in PoW mining. You cannot avoid this potential consequence in general PoS design, though it could rarely take place, it could.

u can the ratio min age max age is the key thats why DMD min age /max age for weight (POS chance) is 9/30 days and this way there a max age coin pile just have 3x more weight

what u say is a true issue for coins who select min age 1 day (or even worse 2 hours) and max age 30 days

where old coins have so much more stakechance weight that it open up a lot attack vectors

XMG did take his own path to remove that risc by reducing POS chance with age after a certain time based on coin pile size

after all the new wallet have adjustable triggers and both are working so i am total happy

regarding ideal default setup of values we have different opinions

thats ok  Cool
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1009
Coin of the Magi!
Hi Joe,
I will try my best, did you read your pm? Wink

Yeah, I just read. Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1009
Coin of the Magi!

The goal is that, once coins combined, the final value should be between combinethreshold and splitthreshold, so that ultimately they will neither split nor combine, but stay stable and staking.

This is what I understood. I have no actual stakings for above verification; if you see something different, let me know.

the goal of the mechanics in PPC was to gurantee POS competition = difficulty
but still avoid endless split to dust

thats why there is a additional requirement to merge coins
that is not only the size but also the coin age

this means u could even set a lower splittreshhold of lets say 30
and a higher mergetreshhold of lets say 3000

but that merge treshhold get activated also need that the coin pile is older than (that value need to be defined well because ur POS is different from PPC)
it must be a time that when a 30 XMG coin pile not POS in that timeframe u know u have a healthy POS difficulty

auto split/merge mechanic have not only the purpose to remove dust
but also to autoadjust network POS difficulty by increase/decrease competition
(increase/decrease amount of coin pile in network that compete for POS)

u did dig deeper than most people in this mechanic
most coins just made splittreshhold working and this way avoid stake to endless dust

but i think XMG deserve to utilize the full power and have it also as a well adjusted mechanic to guide the POS difficulty in the right direction

a that well adjusted split/merge mechanic have just a few POS coins
including the inventors PPC/NVC DMD and maybe soon XMG

I can neither give a direct connection of the combining / splitting to difficulty thing, nor imagine that would lead to something of significant concern.

What's matter is securing the block chain and to avoid likability of attack to the block chain. This is rather important than anything else.

From this point of view, the original ppc design encourages splittings, and any other PoS coins with similar staking principle should do so too. Of course splitting into dust is not what one would like to see.

So there is a reason that the coin splitting age is set to 30 days too.

IMO, the splittingthreshold and combinethreshold in the general PoS coins could cause potential risks. Imagining that the whole network keep combining coins into big ones; For those who have big stack in staking, they can rather readily make unintentional attacks compared to those who have less coins. The reason is that one who has a number of coins has big coin age too, and can easily mine blocks via PoS. It's analogy to one having huge mining force in PoW mining. You cannot avoid this potential consequence in general PoS design, though it could rarely take place, it could. Unfortunately, splittingthreshold and combinethreshold are not consensused by the network, so any one can make changes to them. These are basically the reasons why I believe they relate to the security concern; the other consequences are really the minors. My suggestion is that coins with the general PoS design should NOT play around splitting/combing too much; it is certainly completely fine if one has the security design in mind.

Fortunately, MAGI have made a change to avoid the consequence that one having a number of coins has big coin age (mining force). As I mentioned in the prior post, I'd revisit the PoS implementation to make it even safer.
hero member
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Works like a charm,
...

goldlabel, considering you're expert on the image stuffs, I am wondering if you could be able to make some changes to the new logo:

http://coinmagi.org/files/logo/version-2/

It's a simple design originally by GIMP (.xcf). The current appearance is little bit dazzling. I like it be gentle but stay distinct even at 16x16 pixels. Much appreciated. 

p.s., the original version is here: http://coinmagi.org/files/logo/version-1/

Hi Joe,
I will try my best, did you read your pm? Wink
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