Topic: [ANN][0.8.6] Hirocoin - X11 - NGW - Secured Blockchain - Time Warp Limitation - page 18. (Read 271644 times)

Well it's certainly not ethical for them to delete my post on Reddit.  It's also not ethical to let the coin die after so many of us have invested our time mining and buying into it.  How does helping Darkcoin help the Hirocoin community?

My point is there are none. Go to coinwarz choose X11 and you get only Dark and Hiro. Go to cointweak and you get those plus Limecoin, Hashcoin and Muniticoin. It is obvious that Hiro is suffering from X11 multipool dumps because the alternatives are weak. Hiro would be in a much stronger position if there actually were a few X11 coins fairing better.

Hiro is under attack and needs to weather the storm. I think the summer migration is real. I mine Hiro not only because of the integrity of the dev, but because there is nothing else to mine profitably. I can't do scrypt anymore. It runs too hot.

I agree with your point. I'll also never trust the dev who does that without "community consent", that is "unethical" in my opinion, but if the community wants that then why not?
Let's face it the coins is all about the community.

darkcoin did the same

hello people,my friend gives me 10000 hiros. I think that there are a lot of x11 coins... Now, I'm going to read the threat and thinks about hiro future... seing coinmarketcap....  

What happened to my post on Reddit?

Hey dude.

I never labeled YOU as unethical. But my standpoint remains ; changing a coins inflation model is highly unethical and i'll never trust or work with a crypto dev who does this. It's a very slippery slope, and I won't stand for it.

There's a difference between calling a person unethical and calling an idea or behaviour unethical. Who am I to judge you ? I don't judge you, just your suggestion

So it seems someone has deleted/removed my post from the Reddit page.  Unbelievable.

Very well argued.  Let's hope they listen.

If you have to ask, you're not watching the market as closely as we are. And your question is a trap too - no matter what coin I say, you'll counter with some reason why it's different. The point is that there are many X11 coins to choose from (whether or not you agree with me as to each of their health and performance), so Hiro claiming that their X11 algo makes them somehow unique or desirable no longer scales. Look - I was into hiro from the beginning and the truth is I can't sell my investments at this price or any price it has been for the past 2 months. You can come at me and challenge what I write, but you're barking up the wrong tree. All I'm trying to encourage is that the coin team widen their blinders, think beyond their original plan, be open to changes they once thought they didn't need but perhaps now they should reconsider, and be agile and innovative with the pace of the crypto world. I don't think this is an unfair request by Hirocoin investors. And none of this is an attack on the team - they are obviously great guys. This is simply a request, and clearly not only by me from the looks of it. Can we not fight with one another, argue about who's right and who's wrong, and just agree that we would ALL like Hiro to do really really really well?

still mining )

That's great but I meant a completely different logo.  The funny H just isn't inspiring or interesting (which the Godzilla thing was).

Really how?  By being delisted on Bittrex and made into a LTC only market on other exchanges?  Even the X11 shit clones usually have some differentiating factors (smaller block sizes/rewards, low coin supply, POS etc) - Hiro has nothing.  It is just a worthless Darkcoin clone without anonymity or developers in touch with reality.

Spot on.  Instead of saving they're own dying coin they're off helping the coin which is replacing Litecoin and is their own biggest competition.  Why would anyone invest in Hirocoin now?

Other than Dark, what are the countless numbers of X11 coins with POW that are faring much better than Hiro? Anybody?

Thank you!
What's unethical about it if everyone would be happy(IMO) that their coins is worth more?. That doesn't make sense.

Does it ethical to mine and dump coin by multipools and eventually kill it?
Does it ethical that someone tries to harm you and you do nothing cuz it's unethical?.

What's wrong about puting value to existing coins ?

At least reduce the block reward to 50 to sustain the price at this level.

Your English is good!

This is an example of an alteration to the coin's original specifications that would help the value quite a bit, but the hiro team has refused to consider it when others have brought it up in the past. They say it's 'unethical' to change the original specs of the coin. Seems like they'd rather see Hiro go to 1 satoshi than to do what you and others have suggested or anything else that would dramatically help the coin and spark new life into it. Hiro is helping Darkcoin right now, which is very generous, but while helping out that coin, Hiro should look at the changes Darkcoin made to their coin specifications *after* launch to boost the coin's value and community excitement.

Is it unethical to be relevant, do everything possible to protect the investments of your community, to seriously consider what your investors are asking you to do even if these suggestions are outside of the hiro team's personal comfort zone? I don't think so, but Joeri and his mates banish all suggestions that fall outside of their original line of thinking, no matter how ineffective their causes may be toward the coin's value and market interest.

I think the hiro team is a group of some of the nicest people in crypto, really I do. But it's as if they started an advertising company before the internet age, and everyone is telling them to now advertise online, yet they refuse and only stick to paper fliers and billboards because that's what they told their original clients they would do. Hiro team - crypto has grown up and evolved around you. Staying true to the original plan feels like you guys are just being stubborn and prideful.

At the start, when your community complained about the coin's performance, Joeri would remind us how young the coin was and how the coin needed time. Time has come and gone.

Then people started offering ways to bring greater value to the coin by reducing the coin count or moving up the block halving. Joeri responded by telling us we were unethical for suggesting changes to the original specification and proceeded to spend weeks on a logo design contest instead.

Investors thought things were bad when the coin was at 1k sat, then at 800 sat, and now you're often under 200 sat. When people ask if the coin is dead, your response is that the coin is very much alive, then provide us with a progress report containing items you're working on that make little to no impression on your community and certainly not much to the market at large.

Then you tell us not to worry because you're working on important security features. As another community member pointed out in an earlier post - who needs security when fewer and fewer people are interested in hirocoin? I wonder, is that really the right thing to worry about right now? Some of us have doubts that greater security alone will bring interest to this coin.

Further, you remind us how being an X11 coin will have people flock to Hiro as the weather warms this summer. This is old old old news and has been for quite some time. There are a countless number of X11 coins on the market that are faring much better than hiro, are much more responsive to the needs and wants of the community without calling us unethical for suggesting ways to improve the coin, and I believe *those* are the coins miners will flock to this summer. Why? Because those are actually profitable coins to mine, and people feel these coins have greater potential for even more profit going forward.

So where does this leave us? It's tough to be critical of the guys behind hiro because they are kind, patient, and willing to take the hits like the gentlemen they are. But guys, I think you can be both nice and strategic at the same time. Being strategic can include things like being transparent, releasing newsletters, beefing up security standards, starting a multipool (Omar, you seem like a straight up, smart dude, btw), but strategy also means looking around and constantly evaluating what is working, what is not, listening to the community (there are some smart people in the hiro community - it would behoove you to consider their 'radical/unethical' ideas), and making adjustments to the coin quickly and ahead of the curve. You may have a few people call foul for changing any original intent, but guess what? Successful businesses change their parameters all the time if it means it will help the product, the investors, and ultimately bringing innovation to the market. Hirocoin feels like it's stuck in the stone age.

Joeri has labeled people like me unethical and impatient in the past. Do you guys still think I am those things now? I believe Hiro has potential - lots of coins do - but you guys need to accept that some radical changes must be made to the coin if you're going to swim with the sharks and win. We want you to win. We're telling you that your current ways are hindering your own success. Please for the love of God, listen to what your community is telling you rather than banish us cuz you don't like what we have to say and because it's not aligned with your 'strategy.' Many of us feel your strategy is off the mark, and you may be working hard on the wrong things.

Hello to all.I have been lurking for a very long time in  BCT, and this is the first time I'm posting therefore don't criticize me.


I have a suggestion.Why not reduce the total number of coins from 672m to ~100m or less(The coins will be 6 time rarer and the price will rise accordingly (IMO).I think the existing investors would appreciate it) and especially number of coins per block from 400 to 100 or less (the price can't sustain 576000 coins per day with such a low volume as ours  cause it's became one of the most profitable coins to "mine and dump" by multipools.Marketcap for this coin didn't fell in the past month, what’s more, it rose a little ).Then why the price fell more than 250% and continue to fall?. Soon enough it will be less then 100 sat


It's a great coin with excellent developer team and great community.
It would be a shame that this great coin dies but shitcoins continue to live.We all know that the price is a main driving force of any coin.
I want to know what the developer team and especially the community thinks about this, maybe make a poll or something.
I hope I put up my thoughts correctly because English is not my first or second language

Just my 2 hiros  
Thank you

I hold about 130k mined coins and still waiting good price..

Why don`t we halve the block and change to X13?

I made this a while back. It's simple but it would work well make the web site look a little slicker...

Hi-res version here: http://burningpixel.com/Transfer/HC/HC_L2_07.png

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