Topic: [ANN][0.8.6] Hirocoin - X11 - NGW - Secured Blockchain - Time Warp Limitation - page 30. (Read 271683 times)

Just curious, if you so concerned, why not send to whatmine guys an email with logo update request?

I've just contacted them and provided them with the new logo. Hopefully they'll update their site to the new logo shortly. Thanks for letting me know

Devs, Whatmine.com still uses old logo. This is very important site. Please correct them.

I've given the HIRO multipool a facelift!

Check it out at www.omargpools.ca/hiropool

I've also went into a bit more depth in how to use the HiroPool. Let me know what you guys think!

All the money is being put into dark and badger coin right now. People getting into the pump...

Dark for one has an absolutely active developer that updates the community on stuff that is in progress, takes their input under account and if he decides to implement something new you can see results in next few days or so (depends on complexity).

Didn't follow Badger coin too much due to a lot of stuff going on in my life last month.

Hiro, well about that. Have a look at some of my previous posts in this thread across last 10 pages or so, you'll see what is wrong with the coin and why it is heading the way it is.

I have never seen a coin actually reaching 0 price. Guess we are on the way. After all this, I wonder was what the actually difference between Hiro on one side and Dark or Badger on the other side. What did they do well compared to Hiro?

The cost of instamined coins are much lower. The difficulty was 0.00xx then.

Which is certainly odd, considering that unless you're getting free electricity, HIRO hasn't been profitable to mine since the diff was around 5!

dude, this coin already in mine-and-dump mode

I SUGGEST TO ADD THE AVAILABLE SUPPLY OF HIRO IN FIRST PAGE
WHICH ARE : 37,744,400 HIRO  NOW
http://coinmarketcap.com/

Hi Joerii,

I am glad that you listen to some of the things we supporters bring up here.
One of these is obviously you also deem important to do things now rather than later and that you have 1 or 2 months available.
Afterwards you can lay back and enjoy the music.


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It is not clear - I see the following only:

Vital Statistics
60 Second blocks
400 Coins a block
Subsidy at 840,000 block (~1.6 years)
Total Coins 672m
Client Port 9348
RPC Port 9347

Info is not sufficient at all! Sorry, but I have very good incentive that HIROcoin is successful, so I have to be critical a little bit -> it looks like sloppy work. NO detailed information about the coin whatsoever, even here in bitcointalk, not even on the website. Keep investors/miners informed, pls. How can I interpret "Subsidy at 840k block (about 1.6 years)? What subsudy, what's going to happen? How can I know that reward is going to be halved then? Then later how is halving going to proceed further? Look at that Groestlcoin diagram:
http://coinia.net/groestlcoin/reward.html
Perfect. How hard is to do something like this?
Website and its content just don't speak value right now. Also 1st page of this thread should mirror the most important info about the coin on the website.

Actually look better at the Groestlcoin website - a direct competitor of yours -> all the info I would like to know about the coin and then some. Just an hour of work - to just bring the facts. Is it that hard?
http://www.groestlcoin.org/

As you see from Groestlcoin the perfect website doesn't transpire in price/value by investors as the price of GRS is also pretty low, but it's a MUST, a milestone that website and 1st page in bitcointalk are perfect in appearance and content - BOTH.



OK, I respect that reply!
But...what are your goals, I don't know them, and I shouldn't be required to register on HIROcoin website to find out what they are or use the search machine in the forum. It should be up there on the website. I am sorry but I don't see your mission and vision on the website or here. It should up there for everybody to see....easily.

And the mission should be something of value, and different from airdropping 5% of coins to the population of XXX, or giving away 2.5% of coins market cap to science or environment. Everybody knows that these ares require billions and billions of $ and even governments are reluctant to take care of them properly.


I will. Already messaged 1 site with the old logo of Godzilla..


I do it already. I registered here just to be able to share my thoughts and ideas about this very coin - HIROcoin.


I respect that you are resolved about the coins reward structure. Utility of the coin, user friendliness - great! Making HIRO available to the masses - what do you mean exactly? I believe the latter will happen on its own without much interference the more people value the coin. And stuff like websites accepting HIRO too (through Bitpay or Prypto or whatever) would be nice bonuses. For now efforts should be focused on creating value within the coin. The contents, features, the message, the mission. The inherent, core virtues and value should be further developed.




Sounds good. But bear in mind cryptocommunity is very smart and they don't go for something if it's not valuable. So, real value is what the bell rings for.
Miners will run away from scrypt, that is for sure, but going into your arms is not a sure thing at all.
There are many other scrypt-resistant coins like Scrypt-N, other X11 and even a X13 coin. Miners and investors come to a coin if they believe that a coin has potential to rise in value in the future. And only then.
See this:
http://x11mining.n00bsys0p.co.uk/
Right now HIRO is one of the least lucrative X11 coins there. That should change. Look at the absurd difficulty of DARK (and the higher it goes, the least the payout becomes), and it is STILL MORE profitable than HIRO for miners. For 10MH/s of mining power, you get 0.622DRK and 1700HIRO per day -> that is 2733 times difference. And DRK has 22m coins, HIRO has 672m coins - only 30 times more. Meaning DARKcoin network is about 91 times more valuable than HIROcoin network at the moment. That should change if we all want the HIROcoin to succeed.

Also, do you know that in Mintpal there are 400 coins waiting to be accepted at the marketplace. That is FOUR HUNDRED coins! And maybe the same number not listed at all anywhere. Close to 1000 coins waiting for a piece of the pie - people's fiat and BTC.




I said money is just a reward for PAST efforts, not the ONLY reward for past efforts. Regarding friendship, experience, joy of creating - maybe..for you, but for investors in the coin, it's their money on the line, their effort at work for hard-earned money and they worry much more about the performance of the coin than the experience and joy of creating stuff 



Actually I have always wondered how dev teams can get rich overnight, if there are no bounties, IPOs or premines. It's not possible, they have to mine themselves or buy from the exchange like everybody else. Well, I have to learn from Seneca, because I bought a lot of coins at higher rate believing in the coin and I have nothing left than wait for better times, and probably help the team out one way or another. I really hope you have also some great ideas for the future of the coin. I really do hope.


I will continue providing valuable ideas. That's for sure.



Pls. don't get offended by my criticism - I really want HIROcoin to succeed, and if it doesn't do it this summer, it will probably never will. So we should act in an emergency mode already.


Best!

Sure, buzzwords, that's marketing. No smoke or mirrors. We REALLY mean openness and transparency. hard to believe, I know. But my name really is Joeri Pross, the other guys are real people too and we share what we are up to as much as we can. If you want to know specifics, please ask.

What questions am I dodging exactly ? If i'm doing so it's sub conscience Please ask them clearly and I'll answer !

By the way, the whole "big projects in the works" which i'm not going to tell about.... where did you read that ? Can you quote me on it ? I don't recall stuff like that.

Thanks for the book tip, downloading now !


Sorry, I don't understand your question. this sounds like a Google Translate error !


It's a common misconception that all coin swill be mined in a few years. Maybe this needs to be clarified in the OP. Here's what Hiro said about it :


Better, how ? Please tell me where we are failing. There is a difference between "listening well" and "doing whatever is asked" you know.



I just talked to Xander and he says "sure, everything is possible, we just need a theme" So I added that to the objectives list.


We believe there are better ways to become more attractive to investors. Adding to the utility of the coin, more user friendliness, making Hirocoin available to the masses, etc. Messing with the coins reward structure is simply NOT negotiable.


No, we never said price doesnt matter !  What we said is : we are not responsible for it. We're not going to try to manipulate the price directly.


Agree with you on this 100% Of course, we understand this. Right now we are hanging in there waiting for two things :
1) miners running away from scrypt based mining into our arms     
2) the market will notice the new things we develop and interest will pick up again.

Marketing, PR and Development will achieve this.



No, there's also friendship, experience and the joy of creating


Maybe you can learn a lot from the great Stoics like Seneca ! And are we being stubborn ? Or loyal to our investors and each other ? Many dev teams simply split when their coin doesn't make them rich overnight....

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And what is much more important - JUST DO IT. Ideas are nothing without implementation.

Yes sir, that's one of my mantra's ! We are doing it We'd love to do it with you ! Er.... you know what I mean. Come join the team !

I really like the fonts in
http://forum.alpha-t.net/index.php

They are big, black, easy to read - does not strain the eyes. Maybe a good fit for HIRO forum would be that titles and other components of thread pages are in different shades of green and dark green and the text itself is black. Everybody should be able to edit the text with other font, size and color, if he wants to.


-> Another idea - you said you won't change the total supply of 672 million coins. But to be more attractive to investors (like me), you have to trump over some other quite good coins, like the PoS ones that do not have new coins coming to market all the time. So, it would be a good idea to consider extending the time span of getting those  672m coins to 15, 20 or 50 years. That would reduce the coins per block. Another idea is to decrease the coin reward per block the higher the difficulty.

You say that price doesn't matter, but the lower the price, the less people would make effort to contribute. The less people, the lower the price becomes, and at once just nobody even cares about the coin. Then the coin is effectively dead. Very, very few people are here for the sake of it and don't care about ROI. We ALL are busy! My time is precious, my efforts are precious. I may be patient, but it won't last forever. If I don't see improvements, I will forsake this coin and either dump my coins, or at least won't mine anymore and certainly won't promote the coin to friends. The last few lines is what everyone, or majority of people thinks. We exchange time and effort and money for future gains - one way or another. Even you, the devs and leaders of HIROcoin. You expect something in return, even if it is that you brought a successful project to glory. Even if no money is involved...you would put that in your CV, wouldn't you? Everyone expects some form of return for his efforts. Money is only the reward for past efforts.
You shouldn't be that stoic and stubborn. Cryptocommunity is in constant change. Here things happen for months or even weeks, where in other fields take years. Change is necessary and welcome in many occasions.
And price is a direct reflection of value and how well the coin devs and admins handle change and provide value to the supporters and investors.
It's not just about benefiting early adopters. Keeping something scarce increases its value. He who wants to get something, would have to pay for it and invest effort, time and money. If Bitcoin would like to spread benefit to everybody everywhere always, there would be no reward halving every few years. Then it would probably still stay at 10 bucks and there would be no altcoins, no Hirocoin at this moment. But because of its value and its scarcity, it rose in value and became hundreds of dollars. This was seen by many knowledgeable and entrepreneural people who designed new coins (Litecoin, Primecoin, X11 coins e.g.) to address some of the weaknesses of Bitcoin. If Bitcoin wasn't valued to hundreds of dollars, but only a few bucks, I doubt we would ever see HIROcoin come to life. So, please don't underestimate the value of scarce resource.
Another example - If you knew your wife was not devoted to chastity...say it blunt she was a whore, what would be the chance to marry her? If you knew, on the other hand that your wife could have had hundreds of men, but she CHOSE you, how valuable would she be to you? She would be scarce, one of a kind woman, who you would never let go because she wanted YOU and not the hundreds of other men she could have.
The same is with coins - scarcity, one of a kind, development of features more advanced and higher value than the features of the previous coins , learning from their experience and building upon that - that is what brings value.
You should take really seriously into consideration the scarcity aspect. I do believe that having a POW coin with a long term of mining, like 50 years, and diminishing returns, like halving or reducing in reward by some variable % brings more advantages compared to POS coins, that have the whole resource over there and no new value to miners, acquiring coins generally goes over the exchange for POS. And many people prefer to mine and not buy! Just the idea of buying coins is very alien for a lot of people who prefer to contribute to the community in the old-fashioned, original way - by mining.

Do you fear a hard fork? Coins fork all the time, I saw Darkcoin will hard fork in 3 days again. A few hard forks for a couple of months time.

Well, I am tired. I gave you some good ideas. I really hope you will take them to heart and implement them, at least partially.

Let others also share ideas.

And what is much more important - JUST DO IT. Ideas are nothing without implementation.

+1

I completely agree.

"DarkSend, masternodes, masternode payouts in pipeline" -> that's all features of DarkSend. If there was NO Darksend, there wouldn't be any explosion of DRK price on the exchanges. I bet. DRK would be around 100k sat.

But let's stop talking about DRK. Obviously they do something right. There shouldn't be copy/paste, but see their work ethic and learn from it.
I like your constructive criticism. HIROcoin devs and leaders should listen better their supporters. How about finishing this "big project" while investing helluva lot of time and effort, just to find out that the community just doesn't value it. So, better communication with people, be more transparent.
For the more important "internal" things - discuss only in HIRO forum, visible by registered users. But invite people to HIRO forum to discuss that stuff.

I agree that HIROcoin devs and admins should expose better their ideas, I don't know, maybe they are suspicious that someone from another competitive coin might steal them. Anyway idea is just an idea. Implementation and execution is what counts. Everybody now knows about DarkSend Beta version, but not many coins are planning such a thing. I didn't mean copying DarkSend technology, but designing another one, with a similar goal in mind. A better one, one which won't need 1000 DRK/HIRO/BTC/WHATEVER to operate an anonimizing node. One that everybody can benefit from.

For the second part, I hope you are wrong. But why do you waste your time writing in a thread for a coin you don't respect and don't value? Just sell your stash and go buy DarkCoin.

Now's the time, when Scrypt Asics come to life, to benefit from them. Not everybody will mine LTC and DOGE. How about a few GH/s of Scrypt power mining for HIRO?
I repeat myself. You have a very valuable 1-2 months of time to make this coin a preferred one for the GPU and CPU holders, and they are a lot of people, together with the new owners of the powerful Scrypt ASICs.

15-20 and 2 are very different numbers. Dark coin had DarkSend, masternodes, masternode payouts in pipeline. This coin has...? multipool, and "devs working their ass off" as well as "big project". Do you see the difference?

I completely AGREE! HiroCoin MUST integrate darksend feature for anonymous transactions. Adding this feature will definitely improve the value of this coin. There are a lot of investors out there who want to be anonymous.....that's thousands if not  millions of fiat dollars.Just think about capitalizing on 10% or even less of that. :-)

-=BELIEVE=-

Darkcoin also had about 15-20BTC volume before going crazy. Price rising causes explosion in trade volume.
When price stays relatively calm and non-volatile, trade volume is very low, for every coin, also Bitcoin and Litecoin.

I bet if price goes to 1000 sat from 400 sat, you will have volume more than 100BTC.

That's how it is.

Merchant adoption is a logical next step, but not a imminent one. It will come later.

At the moment a multipool, transaction anonimizer and website/forum/marketing tools improvement are much more important.
Regarding the multipool - you should seek to make benefit from the coming Scrypt ASICS, that's a lot of power and that's a must.
Multipool <-> Scrypt ASICs. Be the first to wield that power.

Just my 2 satoshis.