Topic: [ANN][BURST] Burst | Efficient HDD Mining | New 1.2.3 Fork block 92000 - page 165. (Read 2170648 times)

Well sure, you can move your assets into the BURST AE, for very cheap cost. It cost 1000 BURST to create an asset, that is about 7 cents.

As for the orderbook depth, that depends on the transaction volume. My asset had very small volume not too long ago, but now it became the highest traded asset of BURST.

https://block.burstcoin.info/as.php?as=11188744773544606055

It has ~2 million BURST BID liquidity and ~118 million ASK liquidity (the sell wall I setup myself). I setup a very progressive sell wall that will give a guideline to how the price will increase, but also make it easier to jump higher.

As the price goes higher, the quantity sold gets smaller and smaller, stimulating a scarcity of the asset, and ensuring that the price will go up, until the last of them are sold from the issuing address.

It is a pretty good tehnique, and so far the BID price always followed the ASK. So at the moment the trade volume is important.

Why wouldn't they be able to sell these 'useless-to-them' coins @ an exchange where people find them not to be so 'useless'? Or am I missing something here? Also, with Automated Transactions and 'Atomic Cross Chain Transfers' They could directly trade these coins with whatever other coin. Only catch being the other coin also has to have Automated Transactions.


As far as the depth of the order book, I'm not sure on that I'll have to find out.


Also, with the marketplace you can sell whatever thing at a given price, and modify said price whenever you'd like.

Okay, so Burst is an asset platform, great.

I am looking around at asset platforms because Open Transactions changed the internal format of its contracts, nyms and such quite long ago now, leaving me orphaned with all my contracts even my server contract not able to work with the new formats going forward.

I have a number of assets, see some of them at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/digitalisassets.html

So far I have had a couple of fairly major problems with the platforms I have looked at.

For one thing, other than Ripple many of them do not seem to allow asset pairs without crowbarring their platform coin into the thing breaking up all the pairs and, it looks to me, very likely thereby screwing everyone who actually tries to use them.

Consider for example two players, one having 100 UKB they want to exchange for 100 CDN, the other having 100 CDN they want to exchange for 100 UKB.

On a platform that crowbars its own platform coin into all pairs, they cannot actually offer to exchange their 100 coins for the other guy's 100 different coins.

Instead they each have to make up some number of the platform's coin that they want to sell their coin for, hopefully enough to buy the other guy's coin, with a slight fudge for some kind of transaction fees.

The massive elephant in the room problem is most of the platforms have huge huge piles of their platform coin sitting around, often held by some developer pre-mine system such as a "development foundation" or some such thing, often not merely dwarfing all coins held by anyone else but also even increasing all the time via "staking".

So imagine what is likely to happen: both players list their coin but are forced to say they will accept the useless-to-them platform coin in payment for it.

The whales such as the pre-mine holders snap up both of their offerings.

Both players have now lost the coins they had and are stuck with useless-to-them platform coins.

After being screwed like that obviously neither will want to list even more of the coins they actually value as for sale, lest they end up stuck with even more of the useless-to-them platform coins.

So both are now stuck with platform coins they consider useless, and cannot get the coins they actually wanted because no one who holds the coin they want wants the stupid platform coins so are not going to put more of their coins up for sale, as the whales of the platform can throw away millions or billions of the worthless platform-coins at any actual assets anyone is dumb enough to offer on the platform.

The second problem is that most of these platforms do not seem to allow building up deep order-books.

Or at least some of them.

I have for example seen at least one platform where you only get to have one offer per pair, whereas when I go about building depth in an order book it typically requires literally thousands of offers on both sides (sell and buy) of the order book, in order to make a huge pile on both sides, ideally with an offer at every possible price (each satoshi of price) to make a really solid, really deep book.

These two problems are why I have not started using HORIZON platform for example. I suspect a lot of other platforms derive from the same roots as HORIZON so not sure there is any platform yet that avoids these problems. (Well maybe Ripple, but it has its own problems...)

I have seen a system that lets you say you will sell up to so many of a thing at a given price, so it can keep selling whenever you have some on hand, so maybe some system would like to add onto that a price increment/decrement, so you can say you will buy or sell up to so many adjusting the price so much per so many?

-MarkM-

Is it just me or we are really starting to recover from the "BURST depression", the price has gone up today to 30 satoshi ASK.

On Poloniex it has a 29 BID and a 30 ASK, very tight spread showing that we got good volume (0.71 BTC):

https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_burst

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It is indicative that if the bickering and conflict stops on this thread, then the price will recover. That is the medicine for BURST

Well for 1 the derivatives could help people who have less BURST, some people use the faucet to get burst or have in the low 1000's.

Making mini assets like from ByteEnt somebody created ByteEMini would encourage more people to invest in them, because they can get them cheaper.

Most assets are already over 20 BURST, maybe somebody wants to grab some at 1-2 BURST price.

Or just other FUND MANAGERS that want to make an INDEX of the best performing assets are also welcome to create their own funds.

We need to find a good use for BURST, it is an asset platform like NXT and people should use it more, instead of just holding their BURST in their addresses.

I don't see you putting up any money...

But yeah, I likely could, but right now all my burst is in assets and on the exchange, and I'm going to leave it that way.

Maybe you're unclear on the definition of the word 'naive'. But if you knew the whole story on the mmmaybe situation, you'd know you have no idea what you're talking about. Also, Elmit? What? I think you're a little confused. Seriously man, if all you're going to do here is come in and say things that you have no idea about, just don't. It's a waste of everyone's time having to read it.

I've also read every post in the thread, and I hardly remember you at all, maybe that's saying something. Why don't you quit coming in to call me names you don't even know the meaning of, and go do something beneficial for the coin?

I will say this once again, I understand people's feelings on bit, but that doesn't mean I have to feel the same way. Everyone, including me, is entitled to their opinions. If you don't like my opinions, that's fine, but calling me names just makes you look ridiculous. Especially with situations that you only know the public view on. When all of the truth on what really happened was never posted publicly. Taking the word of random trolls can be unwise.

This will be my last direct comment to you, as I don't feel like you're worth my time. But please, do me a favor and just keep my name out of your mouth? Thanks.

I would be absolutely interested in a sports betting site for BURST, even though I rarely watch sports, I would go with the investment side of it I'm sure. Right now there isn't a lot of interest for very much at all in the BURST community, but by doing things like this we're hoping to change that, right? I say go for it! Once it is up, we can decide if there are mods needed and whatnot and help you out!

Don't worry about the LTCgear thing, I also got taken pretty hard by them, lesson learned.

i think decentralized betting would have to be either exchange based like betfair, or pool betting, where the winners share all the stakes according to the size of their bets.

Both systems should be implementable decentralized, the major issue is probably figuring a way to decide what was the winning bet. ( voting or perhaps predescribed scraping of a website, or group of websites)

Thanks for the comments Irontiga.  Yes I've been part of this community since the beginning.  Ltcgear...yeah well it was my stupid mistake for getting involved with it.  Lesson learned.

In burst world, I want to create a sports booking site so anyone can place a bet with burst.  Sports booking income is generated by commission.  If there's reasonable action, I will create an asset so burst community can be "partial owners" of the booking site.  My ultimate intention after all is to come up with a cool asset.

I'm not sure if there's enough interest within the community in sports betting so I'm hesitant to get on this...

I use this site for block explorer and asset finder

https://block.burstcoin.info/as.php?as=639537212154320 Look at bottom of page.

Hello.

Where can I find a list of assets?

come one tiga, you want to spend 1.8 Dollar for such a great idea?

I think you can do better than this?

I have 30k Burst (that's 30x what it costs to issue an asset) in my wallet. That's it, but I will DONATE it to the next great asset which I trust and think is super awesome and deserving (sorry, if you have already made an asset then this isn't for you). Please note I won't just give it to the asset without it gaining my trust. I also won't give it to a useless asset (e.g. something which over it's lifetime may only produce 50k burst in dividends).

But yeah, don't let it sound to hard....come up with a epic idea, make the asset, prove that it's legit, or at least make me feel that it's legit, and then bam, it'll get a free boost This is ByteEnt sponsored, but I'm doing it out of my own money.

Sounds good....I won't play, but then I barely know what the NFL even is

Also, @community, all I can say is that this guy has been around burst since ages ago....I think he was one of those who lost out thx to bytegear/ltcgear scamming over :-/

Also, do we want to be doing it straight bet 10k burst win get 19k burst, or do we rather want to pool all the bets, and winning bets split losing bets minus a fee? Probably you wouldn't need investors for this though...

crowetic - One thing - You are naive. That's all. I am not against you but you are naive. I am in community for long time. I read every single post in this thread. And you know what? I remember your conversations with Elmit. I remember the case with mmaybe. So you are not so perfect as you think. And now you are a big fan of bitladen. How much or what he promise to you for that?

And are you trying to compare bitladen and our real burstcoin dev only becouse of anonimity? REALLY ? I don't have a time for that but if you want i can paste here some quotes of bitladen from this thread but i think you know it very well.

You can read some of his creativeness (nice fun)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitladen-485195

I don't want to argue with you. I am glad that many other users in this community see the problem with bitladen.

Crowetic has helped me a lot and has been  a great asset for this community. Though their maybe a little anger with some, I think they too have helped.

Bitladen (don't know him) could remove all his hash to his new fork coin which will give some burst hash back to the little guys.

.........Go for it Bitladen

Hi,

I'm interested in creating and running an asset, without interest in actually making BURST money out of it by paying myself for the service.  However I will be buying a portion of the asset I'm proposing so it would be cool if I and other asset owners will gain something.  I'll probably play too.

Do we have enough NFL fans within BURST community interested in playing weekly NFL games with BURST?  I'm thinking of running NFL sportsbook so player with BURST can place a bet on any team they choose with known Vegas spread.  House earns 10%.  If player wins, house pay 90% of placed bet.  If player lose, 100% will be paid.  All house earnings will be collected until end of season then will be distributed to asset owners accordingly.  Fund will come from asset owners.  At the end of the season, asset owners win if fund is greater than initial.  If not, asset owners lose which means players came out ahead.  Yes there is a risk, just like every BURST asset currently available.

If there's enough interest generated, I will go ahead and start the asset and BURST sports book before next sunday.  Otherwise, no worries, moving on.  Looking forward to hearing from fellow BURST supporters.

Not much one can do about this....not unless we change the way the wallet handles marketplace listings....perhaps I will work on that in the future, but for now it's not worth my time :/

Exactly why a 'better' market site is needed. 
Once goods and services can be easily located... Burst will flow!