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One of my Wallets showed today:

Code:
Exception: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError thrown from the UncaughtExceptionHandler in thread "qtp1800503195-1502"
2015-09-24 08:56:10 INFO: CRITICAL ERROR. PLEASE REPORT TO THE DEVELOPERS.
java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space

Has anybody a fix for that?

If you are running the vanilla run.[sh|bat] you get the default max memory config, which depends on platform/revison and whatnot.
Just start with e.g.

Code:
java -Xmx4G -d64 -cp burst.jar:lib/*:conf nxt.Nxt

for a maxheap of 4G. Look for "MaxHeapSize" [Bytes] in your defaults to get an idea of where to start:

Code:
$ java -XX:+PrintFlagsFinal -version | grep HeapSize
    uintx ErgoHeapSizeLimit                         = 0               {product}          
    uintx HeapSizePerGCThread                       = 87241520        {product}          
    uintx InitialHeapSize                          := 150171776       {product}          
    uintx LargePageHeapSizeThreshold                = 134217728       {product}          
    uintx MaxHeapSize                              := 2403336192      {product}          
Code:
c:\> java -XX:+PrintFlagsFinal -version | findstr /R /C:"HeapSize"
(your output here, no DOS-descendants at hand to try)
hero member
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You guys needs to fix your Mining Difficulty, i told the dev that he would get exactly this problem and this was a year ago.
If you check your mined coins you already mined 50% of your 2 Billion coins.

Also you need way more advertisement to get more people interest in this project and i mean not who is interested to invest money but to mine coins.
You only have two choices this time, either fix your mining difficulty or change your mining protocol to PoS.

what's wrong with the difficulty. If miners abandon burst the difficutly gets easier and the remaining miners earn more.  if miners flock to burst, the difficulty gets harder and the miners earn less. I see no problem there.

if burst gets worth more, miners get paid more in real terms, and that will attract miners and make the blockchain more secure, if burst gets worth less, miners get paid less in real terms, and that will make some miners go away.. but then... if the market cap is 1mln usd, we only need to make sure it's  a lot more expensive than 1mln usd to attack the coin.

when all the coins are mined, miners will live off fees. We may or may not have to make some changes to the size of fees when we get to that point, it will depend on the value of 1 BURST.  we can just look at the hash size for the chain at that time, and if the hash size is way too small, we could consider a discussion about increasing the minimum fee to more than one, or perhaps make it possible for miners to not add transactions that have the fee under some level. (not sure if we can do that now)


I think you still don't got it aren't you ? Burstcoin was mined out to 50% already in just one year ! This means your mining difficulty is just to low. In this case you would have mined all your coins in just a total 3 years.

I believe you have things mixed up my friend. How about you go and take a look at a term called 'controlled supply'.
Coin emission has nothing to do with mining difficulty. BURST being 'mined out' in 60 months (IIRC) is by design.

Well, looks like his "design" ain't working.

It is working exactly as designed. You believe that this particular design is not correct/proper/achieving good results and that is perfectly fine Smiley

I believe you have things mixed up my friend. How about you go and take a look at a term called 'controlled supply'.
Coin emission has nothing to do with mining difficulty. BURST being 'mined out' in 60 months (IIRC) is by design.

And might be a good reason to release a clone with a different design to possibly attract more miners long-term...

Perhaps, I do not think that there is enough data in crypto to be able to tell what a good emission rate is, or in fact, whether such a deflationary model works at all Smiley.

Sure, but you will get more data by releasing clones with different emission rates Wink And competition is seldom wrong imho.

We must realize that Burst does have problems with a decreasing network size, making it more vulnerable to 51% attacks and not attracting investors. Experimenting with clones might be a solution. It doesn't mean we don't believe in the basic technology presented in BUST, quite the contrary in fact, I'd say.

we have had a price "crash" from over 100 to below 30.  Network size is supposed to start to adjust down towards 30% when the price adjust down to 30%, it's by design. You want the expenses to match the revenue.

I think you are just greedy and want money taken from users, and given to miners.


Jeez... I agree that Burst is a winner but only technology-wise. It's innovative as no other coin. Great.

But we have had a little price crash...? You're lying if you saying the "crash" is from 100 to 30sat. There is a very steady downward-trend since the pump to +200sat back in February. In that perspective, a majority of miners have stayed extremely loyal. I'm convinced they are loyal due to the basic technological breakthroughs that Burst has, coupled with the low cost of mining, hoping something magical will happen. Like the coin will be magical discovered by the masses after 15 months since launch.

That won't happened, coz Burst is just as big of a failure when it comes the utility, current and coming development, and PR, as it is a winner when it comes to innovation and technology.

Greed..., yup, perhaps, but greed is good. Read Douglas' monologue from the movie and you understand what I mean. Greed drives people like pure technology does not.

That said, I do think that a clone with a different emission rate will be more successful, but I'm quite pessimistic to whether only changing the emission rate is enough as incentive to make a star out of PoC/AT/ACCT/etc. A clone would have a way better chance to be successful if it's backed by some serious investors from the get-go, enabling to pay for developers and PR, or developmental collaboration with a coin as Sia.

But perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps a different emission rate will suffice. I'd say "let's see". And let's see what will happen to Burst with competition out there.

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BURST got Smart Contracts (AT)
One of my Wallets showed today:

Quote
Exception: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError thrown from the UncaughtExceptionHandler in thread "qtp1800503195-1502"
2015-09-24 08:56:10 INFO: CRITICAL ERROR. PLEASE REPORT TO THE DEVELOPERS.
java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space

Has anybody a fix for that?
sr. member
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I suggested modifications to the block reward and structure, but those were shot down.


At the moment it seems the structure will remain, and people seem to agree with it... and/or just disagree with my suggestion.


There will definitely be a clone.





I agree that the mining reward reduction is too fast, but no, this has nothing to do with mining difficulty, it is simply the structure of the coin release that needs to be modified. I'm also worried about what happens when the coin hits the cap. If we don't have EXTREME INTEREST built in the coin by then, with very much more usage and reasons to use the coin... what then?

Exactly the reason I proposed a change in reward and cap. Which was vehemently shut down, in some cases with extreme prejudice.



So at this time it seems the only real option is a clone while at the same time trying my damnest to figure a way to get BURST recognition.


IMO things didn't work the way we thought they would in the beginning, which warrants a fundamental change in structure. But my opinions were not agreed with by the general community at large...




I just had a crazy idea for the new clone. You could make mining rewards timed, like you have with stock options for employees.  Suppose miners get X% of their mined coins now, and Y% in 3 years. Or rather, they get the coins, but they cannot be spent for 3 years. Then the miners will have a longterm incentive to make the coin work, cause they need the price to be high in 3 yrs when their coins are released.  Such an arrangement might be complicated reg. pools though.
sr. member
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You guys needs to fix your Mining Difficulty, i told the dev that he would get exactly this problem and this was a year ago.
If you check your mined coins you already mined 50% of your 2 Billion coins.

Also you need way more advertisement to get more people interest in this project and i mean not who is interested to invest money but to mine coins.
You only have two choices this time, either fix your mining difficulty or change your mining protocol to PoS.

what's wrong with the difficulty. If miners abandon burst the difficutly gets easier and the remaining miners earn more.  if miners flock to burst, the difficulty gets harder and the miners earn less. I see no problem there.

if burst gets worth more, miners get paid more in real terms, and that will attract miners and make the blockchain more secure, if burst gets worth less, miners get paid less in real terms, and that will make some miners go away.. but then... if the market cap is 1mln usd, we only need to make sure it's  a lot more expensive than 1mln usd to attack the coin.

when all the coins are mined, miners will live off fees. We may or may not have to make some changes to the size of fees when we get to that point, it will depend on the value of 1 BURST.  we can just look at the hash size for the chain at that time, and if the hash size is way too small, we could consider a discussion about increasing the minimum fee to more than one, or perhaps make it possible for miners to not add transactions that have the fee under some level. (not sure if we can do that now)


I think you still don't got it aren't you ? Burstcoin was mined out to 50% already in just one year ! This means your mining difficulty is just to low. In this case you would have mined all your coins in just a total 3 years.

I believe you have things mixed up my friend. How about you go and take a look at a term called 'controlled supply'.
Coin emission has nothing to do with mining difficulty. BURST being 'mined out' in 60 months (IIRC) is by design.

Well, looks like his "design" ain't working.

It is working exactly as designed. You believe that this particular design is not correct/proper/achieving good results and that is perfectly fine Smiley

I believe you have things mixed up my friend. How about you go and take a look at a term called 'controlled supply'.
Coin emission has nothing to do with mining difficulty. BURST being 'mined out' in 60 months (IIRC) is by design.

And might be a good reason to release a clone with a different design to possibly attract more miners long-term...

Perhaps, I do not think that there is enough data in crypto to be able to tell what a good emission rate is, or in fact, whether such a deflationary model works at all Smiley.

Sure, but you will get more data by releasing clones with different emission rates Wink And competition is seldom wrong imho.

We must realize that Burst does have problems with a decreasing network size, making it more vulnerable to 51% attacks and not attracting investors. Experimenting with clones might be a solution. It doesn't mean we don't believe in the basic technology presented in BUST, quite the contrary in fact, I'd say.

we have had a price "crash" from over 100 to below 30.  Network size is supposed to start to adjust down towards 30% when the price adjust down to 30%, it's by design. You want the expenses to match the revenue.

I think you are just greedy and want money taken from users, and given to miners.
sr. member
Activity: 286
Merit: 250
You guys needs to fix your Mining Difficulty, i told the dev that he would get exactly this problem and this was a year ago.
If you check your mined coins you already mined 50% of your 2 Billion coins.

Also you need way more advertisement to get more people interest in this project and i mean not who is interested to invest money but to mine coins.
You only have two choices this time, either fix your mining difficulty or change your mining protocol to PoS.

what's wrong with the difficulty. If miners abandon burst the difficutly gets easier and the remaining miners earn more.  if miners flock to burst, the difficulty gets harder and the miners earn less. I see no problem there.

if burst gets worth more, miners get paid more in real terms, and that will attract miners and make the blockchain more secure, if burst gets worth less, miners get paid less in real terms, and that will make some miners go away.. but then... if the market cap is 1mln usd, we only need to make sure it's  a lot more expensive than 1mln usd to attack the coin.

when all the coins are mined, miners will live off fees. We may or may not have to make some changes to the size of fees when we get to that point, it will depend on the value of 1 BURST.  we can just look at the hash size for the chain at that time, and if the hash size is way too small, we could consider a discussion about increasing the minimum fee to more than one, or perhaps make it possible for miners to not add transactions that have the fee under some level. (not sure if we can do that now)


I think you still don't got it aren't you ? Burstcoin was mined out to 50% already in just one year ! This means your mining difficulty is just to low. In this case you would have mined all your coins in just a total 3 years.

I believe you have things mixed up my friend. How about you go and take a look at a term called 'controlled supply'.
Coin emission has nothing to do with mining difficulty. BURST being 'mined out' in 60 months (IIRC) is by design.

Well, looks like his "design" ain't working.

The design is working very well, we have a nice number of terabytes compared to the rather low marketcap. If you think you can make more money mining something else, then go there and mine - or create a clone and start mining that. How many coins do still exist, that was launched same month as burst?  i would guess 90% of them are gone already, if not more.. BURST is already a winner.
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mining away, selling nothing [hero member has spoken] working towards legendary, legendary are either part of ie BTC/ethereum core dev team or the once that mined BTC at super low and did not throw disk drive with the wallet in the garbage dump

lol, you seem quite proud of that status. It does not really mean anything. I have been here 2yrs longer than you have.

Burst is unique and that is what attracted me to it in the very beginning. I wish more products/services were built up around it or that people could see the potential with the efficiency.  The ease of use issues were really the problem for the last year, only recently this has been taken care of with web wallet and the all in one solutions.

I agree with the concern crowetic mentioned with half of the coins mined and what will happen when they are all mined, will people still run nodes, how secure will it be? Increasing the mining reward does not sound like a good solution to speed that process up. I honestly cannot think of a good solution based on where it sits now that still respects the fundamentals the coin was founded upon.

I have deleted my plots and sort of in limbo at the moment. I am waiting for the clone to give that a shot. I can't say the increased mining rewards would be the solution either but likely the current status of Burst and these mining hurdles will be taken into consideration or at least a different approach. I am really on the fence about any POC coin making it in the long run when people may opt to use the drive space for other up and coming coins. Those type of solutions make use of the HD space or may hold the value better due to an ecosystem of products/services.



legendary
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mining away, selling nothing [hero member has spoken] working towards legendary, legendary are either part of ie BTC/ethereum core dev team or the once that mined BTC at super low and did not throw disk drive with the wallet in the garbage dump
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Sold my burst today. Looks like a big loser to me. Thanks for the good time though.
hero member
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BURST got Smart Contracts (AT)
Pool Statistics
Current time: 2015-09-23 22:43:21 UTC
Block: 146,044
Difficulty: 6,353
Est. Networksize (PB): 6.6619601017911
hero member
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BURST got Smart Contracts (AT)
Thank you for a few people from this forum who tested my faucet at:

http://burst.mininghere.com/faucet.php

The fact that it is working, encourages me to add two additional projects.
hero member
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Sorry for not being active last week, I was very busy in my personal life, but now back and ready to serve BURST and my INCOME shareholders Smiley

I noticed that you people post quite a lot of posts in 1 day, it will take me a lot of time to go through all missed posts, can somebody please sum up what happened in the last week with the BURST development?

Any news or projects going on?

I can't help you about the development. The only thing I noticed these past days is another drama from Elmitt and haitch.

Well at least the price is still holding strongly at 29-31 satoshi  despite about 1.7 million BURST being mined each day. This is very positive in my opinion.

I think we need more projects going on to boost that price even further.
legendary
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Sorry for not being active last week, I was very busy in my personal life, but now back and ready to serve BURST and my INCOME shareholders Smiley

I noticed that you people post quite a lot of posts in 1 day, it will take me a lot of time to go through all missed posts, can somebody please sum up what happened in the last week with the BURST development?

Any news or projects going on?

I can't help you about the development. The only thing I noticed these past days is another drama from Elmitt and haitch.
hero member
Activity: 504
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Sorry for not being active last week, I was very busy in my personal life, but now back and ready to serve BURST and my INCOME shareholders Smiley

I noticed that you people post quite a lot of posts in 1 day, it will take me a lot of time to go through all missed posts, can somebody please sum up what happened in the last week with the BURST development?

Any news or projects going on?
legendary
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I suggested modifications to the block reward and structure, but those were shot down.


At the moment it seems the structure will remain, and people seem to agree with it... and/or just disagree with my suggestion.


There will definitely be a clone.





I agree that the mining reward reduction is too fast, but no, this has nothing to do with mining difficulty, it is simply the structure of the coin release that needs to be modified. I'm also worried about what happens when the coin hits the cap. If we don't have EXTREME INTEREST built in the coin by then, with very much more usage and reasons to use the coin... what then?

Exactly the reason I proposed a change in reward and cap. Which was vehemently shut down, in some cases with extreme prejudice.



So at this time it seems the only real option is a clone while at the same time trying my damnest to figure a way to get BURST recognition.


IMO things didn't work the way we thought they would in the beginning, which warrants a fundamental change in structure. But my opinions were not agreed with by the general community at large...




Your post created questions for me. You say that your suggestions were denied, but who is the boss of BURST, who is coding the new features (if there is) ?
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I suggested modifications to the block reward and structure, but those were shot down.


At the moment it seems the structure will remain, and people seem to agree with it... and/or just disagree with my suggestion.


There will definitely be a clone.





I agree that the mining reward reduction is too fast, but no, this has nothing to do with mining difficulty, it is simply the structure of the coin release that needs to be modified. I'm also worried about what happens when the coin hits the cap. If we don't have EXTREME INTEREST built in the coin by then, with very much more usage and reasons to use the coin... what then?

Exactly the reason I proposed a change in reward and cap. Which was vehemently shut down, in some cases with extreme prejudice.



So at this time it seems the only real option is a clone while at the same time trying my damnest to figure a way to get BURST recognition.


IMO things didn't work the way we thought they would in the beginning, which warrants a fundamental change in structure. But my opinions were not agreed with by the general community at large...


sr. member
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i am currently taking a closer look into possible items for the marketplace.

one item i could think of is a exchange monitor which sends out messages on purchase, certain blockchain events or on dailie base.
as buyer of the item you would receive a message like this:

Poloniex BURST blockchain actions last 360 blocks:
deposits   withdrawals   change
2768848.1525   3041607.3932   -272759.2407

Bittrex BURST blockchain actions last 360 blocks:
deposits   withdrawals   change
9300.0000   1846100.1525   -1836800.1525

C-Cex BURST blockchain actions last 360 blocks:
deposits   withdrawals   change
98935.9220   91720.1154   7215.8065

wallet blockchain height: 145987
monitored addresses:
BURST-R8SQ-TUEM-DTHQ-7ATA3 polo
BURST-HK9D-P74Q-XDEJ-D6PGM bitrex
BURST-XHQ2-VKF8-X82E-BN3DM c-cex


i would have to code some marketplace backend integration especially if i implement triggers and you can purchase alerts in advance if XXX coins were moved.
i may also add totals for each value and additional information if wanted.

if anyone is interested in this service please make a suggestion what such a message may cost.
at the moment i dont expect to get rich with this. it is more that i want to show that burst offers really nice options to trade information on the blockchain.  
sr. member
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What top mining speeds do you guys get with jminer? I have some new GPUs and I'm getting some silly numbers, just wanna make sure they are correct.
11 disks, 17482 Gb
Giga R7870       @ 23 sec
Giga R9 280x     @ 19.8 sec

Thanks Smiley What is that in MB/s?

roughly ((17482*1024)/4096)/time .....
r7870 23s --> 190 mb/s
280x 19.8s --> 220 mb/s

maybe the gpus are faster but limited by the disk io
hero member
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What top mining speeds do you guys get with jminer? I have some new GPUs and I'm getting some silly numbers, just wanna make sure they are correct.
11 disks, 17482 Gb
Giga R7870       @ 23 sec
Giga R9 280x     @ 19.8 sec

Thanks Smiley What is that in MB/s?
hero member
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Merit: 500

Sure, but you will get more data by releasing clones with different emission rates Wink And competition is seldom wrong imho.

We must realize that Burst does have problems with a decreasing network size, making it more vulnerable to 51% attacks and not attracting investors. Experimenting with clones might be a solution. It doesn't mean we don't believe in the basic technology presented in BUST, quite the contrary in fact, I'd say.

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery?

I just recently got back from a protracted leave Smiley, I did manage to read the discussions up to this date.
Need some time to process all the data though.
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