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Quote from: fanepatent on September 07, 2014, 05:33:42 AM

Quote from: go6ooo1212 on September 07, 2014, 05:29:04 AM

Which stagger size I should use with 32gb ram on 3tb hdd?

If you are on Windows 8191 is the max size. If you are on linux go with 100000 (100000 x 256) to be safe

IMO , stagger size only matters if using a single huge HDD because of the time needed to scan through the drive. If for example , a person is using 500 gb HDD stagger size of 8000 VS 1000 wouldn't make a huge difference scanning drive whereas a single 20 TB (Not sure if it exist as a single drive) HDD will have a huge impact for 8000 vs 1000 because of the time needed to scan 20 TB of data. I would assume that a single 3 TB HDD and below wouldn't need a very big stagger to be effective in scanning through the data

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Quote from: jzhoulon on September 07, 2014, 04:47:00 AM

it is great that now have 209.16 MH on scrypt multipool , but i was wonder there the multipool dump and buy burst? polo or c-cex

I think that these multipools will drive the price up because the pool owners need to convert their mined coinage to BURST. At least in the short term. Already starting to see an uptick in prices and first batch of payouts has not occurred yet.

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Is there a way I can generate plots on a cloud server? How and where?

Yeah, you can, but storage ain't cheap..

How and where please? I would like to look at it from top to bottom and do a cost benefit analysis.

Check them out at http://serverbear.com/

there is something for cpu, i need to plot faster, i mean soemthing like betarig, but for cpu, i don't want to deal with all the bullshit of address/card holder and those shit

would this work? http://www.cpusage.com/

get startet doesn't work....

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hey guys ,
CAN the OP be updated with how to?

thread is 350 pages

so if my computer restarts or i turn it off and i know the last number , how do I create a 2nd plot and with out over writing the plot i have already created

is it also better to make multiple small plots on a HDD or just one

can we please get a set by step with screen shots as this is still pretty high end nerdgasmic.

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Quote from: go6ooo1212 on September 07, 2014, 05:29:04 AM

Which stagger size I should use with 32gb ram on 3tb hdd?

If you are on Windows 8191 is the max size. If you are on linux go with 100000 (100000 x 256) to be safe

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Which stagger size I should use with 32gb ram on 3tb hdd?

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Quote from: fanepatent on September 07, 2014, 05:24:10 AM

Quote from: coinits on September 07, 2014, 05:21:33 AM

Quote from: Amph on September 07, 2014, 04:54:50 AM

Quote from: theblazehen on September 06, 2014, 12:56:38 PM

Quote from: coinits on September 06, 2014, 12:53:57 PM

Quote from: theblazehen on September 06, 2014, 12:52:49 PM

Quote from: coinits on September 06, 2014, 12:50:50 PM

Is there a way I can generate plots on a cloud server? How and where?

Yeah, you can, but storage ain't cheap..

How and where please? I would like to look at it from top to bottom and do a cost benefit analysis.

Check them out at http://serverbear.com/

there is something for cpu, i need to plot faster, i mean soemthing like betarig, but for cpu, i don't want to deal with all the bullshit of address/card holder and those shit

would this work? http://www.cpusage.com/

Remember that you need to transfer the generated stagger from RAM to disk. So every time a stagger is generated it would have to be written somewhere.
You will rent cpu power, but where are you writing the files?

They had a demo video there of an app that scraped website data to Amazon storage using multiple CPU instances. I think it would work but I also think it would be too costly unless I am missing something.

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Quote from: coinits on September 07, 2014, 05:21:33 AM

Quote from: Amph on September 07, 2014, 04:54:50 AM

Quote from: theblazehen on September 06, 2014, 12:56:38 PM

Quote from: coinits on September 06, 2014, 12:53:57 PM

Quote from: theblazehen on September 06, 2014, 12:52:49 PM

Quote from: coinits on September 06, 2014, 12:50:50 PM

Is there a way I can generate plots on a cloud server? How and where?

Yeah, you can, but storage ain't cheap..

How and where please? I would like to look at it from top to bottom and do a cost benefit analysis.

Check them out at http://serverbear.com/

there is something for cpu, i need to plot faster, i mean soemthing like betarig, but for cpu, i don't want to deal with all the bullshit of address/card holder and those shit

would this work? http://www.cpusage.com/

Remember that you need to transfer the generated stagger from RAM to disk. So every time a stagger is generated it would have to be written somewhere.
You will rent cpu power, but where are you writing the files?

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Quote from: Amph on September 07, 2014, 04:54:50 AM

Quote from: theblazehen on September 06, 2014, 12:56:38 PM

Quote from: coinits on September 06, 2014, 12:53:57 PM

Quote from: theblazehen on September 06, 2014, 12:52:49 PM

Quote from: coinits on September 06, 2014, 12:50:50 PM

Is there a way I can generate plots on a cloud server? How and where?

Yeah, you can, but storage ain't cheap..

How and where please? I would like to look at it from top to bottom and do a cost benefit analysis.

Check them out at http://serverbear.com/

there is something for cpu, i need to plot faster, i mean soemthing like betarig, but for cpu, i don't want to deal with all the bullshit of address/card holder and those shit

would this work? http://www.cpusage.com/

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Quote from: theblazehen on September 06, 2014, 12:56:38 PM

Quote from: coinits on September 06, 2014, 12:53:57 PM

Quote from: theblazehen on September 06, 2014, 12:52:49 PM

Quote from: coinits on September 06, 2014, 12:50:50 PM

Is there a way I can generate plots on a cloud server? How and where?

Yeah, you can, but storage ain't cheap..

How and where please? I would like to look at it from top to bottom and do a cost benefit analysis.

Check them out at http://serverbear.com/

there is something for cpu, i need to plot faster, i mean something like betarig, but for cpu, i don't want to deal with all the bullshit of address/card holder and those shit

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Quote from: fanepatent on September 07, 2014, 04:42:48 AM

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Quote from: yellowduck2 on September 07, 2014, 04:09:02 AM

Question.

Is there any difference in terms of mining (not plot) when using stagger 1000 VS stagger 8000 ?

BIIIGGG difference, bigger stagger requires more RAM, but lowers disk stress.

i am talking about mining , is that true for mining ? I am not asking for plot

He said the mining

I plot way faster with 1000 stagger than 8000 stagger. What does disk stress actually means ? I have to sacrifice plotting performance for less disk stress ?

The idea behind the plots is that if you use 8000 stagger the disk will seek once. If you use 1000 stagger the disk will seek 8 times in the same file of 8000 nonces.
Thats the difference regarding disk stress.
The real difference in mining is that with a larger stagger you will be able to submit shares faster.
There is no memory usage difference in mining, unlike irontiga said.

All miner only submit share once, is there any benefit for submitting share faster other than if ur share is a block find ? Even if it took me 10 sec to submit share , as long as within that 10 sec no block is found , it's no difference submitting share in 1 sec or 10 sec. Am i right ?

If i am right, lower stagger actually work way better if CPU is not i7 , 8 gb ram because i can plot faster and there is no difference in mining.

I guess you are right. But for example, if I had a 6 Tb drive, and for the sake of this example I have 80 plots with 1000 stagger. Lets say 1 second per file, although it takes more than 2 (depending on size). Thats 80 second right there. If you have 10 files with 8000 stagger the same operation would take 10 seconds.

luckily block time target is 4 mins

I was giving you an example where the stagger size mattered.
I am making the plots at 40000 stagger. Cheesy

Let's get some straight answer feedback from everyone:

- Is a stagger of 1000 - with everything else held constant - faster at plot generation of 500GB plots than a stagger size of 8000?

- Is the 64bit version of JAVA in its allowance for higher stagger and maximum memory usage faster at plot generation of 500GB plots than the 32bit version?

- What is the most optimum settings in terms of speed in getting the plots generated for the average user with an i5 3570k or similar processor and 8GB of ram?

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Quote from: fanepatent on September 07, 2014, 04:22:24 AM

The idea behind the plots is that if you use 8000 stagger the disk will seek once. If you use 1000 stagger the disk will seek 8 times in the same file of 8000 nonces.
Thats the difference regarding disk stress.

how would you guys like to have a stagger of 40960 or bigger ?

i did my plotting on chunks, files of 10Gb (easier to generate in one place and move via network in other places) with a stagger of 8191 then use the merge utility provided by dcct to rearrange/merge the content of the files from a stagger of 8191 to the number of nouances in the file (in my case 40960)

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it is great that now have 209.16 MH on scrypt multipool , but i was wonder there the multipool dump and buy burst? polo or c-cex

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Quote from: yellowduck2 on September 07, 2014, 04:41:41 AM

Quote from: fanepatent on September 07, 2014, 04:40:23 AM

Quote from: yellowduck2 on September 07, 2014, 04:28:22 AM

Quote from: fanepatent on September 07, 2014, 04:22:24 AM

Quote from: yellowduck2 on September 07, 2014, 04:17:02 AM

Quote from: Prototyp on September 07, 2014, 04:14:48 AM

Quote from: yellowduck2 on September 07, 2014, 04:10:43 AM

Quote from: Irontiga on September 07, 2014, 04:09:47 AM

Quote from: yellowduck2 on September 07, 2014, 04:09:02 AM

Question.

Is there any difference in terms of mining (not plot) when using stagger 1000 VS stagger 8000 ?

BIIIGGG difference, bigger stagger requires more RAM, but lowers disk stress.

i am talking about mining , is that true for mining ? I am not asking for plot

He said the mining

I plot way faster with 1000 stagger than 8000 stagger. What does disk stress actually means ? I have to sacrifice plotting performance for less disk stress ?

The idea behind the plots is that if you use 8000 stagger the disk will seek once. If you use 1000 stagger the disk will seek 8 times in the same file of 8000 nonces.
Thats the difference regarding disk stress.
The real difference in mining is that with a larger stagger you will be able to submit shares faster.
There is no memory usage difference in mining, unlike irontiga said.

All miner only submit share once, is there any benefit for submitting share faster other than if ur share is a block find ? Even if it took me 10 sec to submit share , as long as within that 10 sec no block is found , it's no difference submitting share in 1 sec or 10 sec. Am i right ?

If i am right, lower stagger actually work way better if CPU is not i7 , 8 gb ram because i can plot faster and there is no difference in mining.

I guess you are right. But for example, if I had a 6 Tb drive, and for the sake of this example I have 80 plots with 1000 stagger. Lets say 1 second per file, although it takes more than 2 (depending on size). Thats 80 second right there. If you have 10 files with 8000 stagger the same operation would take 10 seconds.

luckily block time target is 4 mins

I was giving you an example where the stagger size mattered.
I am making the plots at 40000 stagger. Cheesy

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Quote from: fanepatent on September 07, 2014, 04:40:23 AM

Quote from: yellowduck2 on September 07, 2014, 04:28:22 AM

Quote from: fanepatent on September 07, 2014, 04:22:24 AM

Quote from: yellowduck2 on September 07, 2014, 04:17:02 AM

Quote from: Prototyp on September 07, 2014, 04:14:48 AM

Quote from: yellowduck2 on September 07, 2014, 04:10:43 AM

Quote from: Irontiga on September 07, 2014, 04:09:47 AM

Quote from: yellowduck2 on September 07, 2014, 04:09:02 AM

Question.

Is there any difference in terms of mining (not plot) when using stagger 1000 VS stagger 8000 ?

BIIIGGG difference, bigger stagger requires more RAM, but lowers disk stress.

i am talking about mining , is that true for mining ? I am not asking for plot

He said the mining

I plot way faster with 1000 stagger than 8000 stagger. What does disk stress actually means ? I have to sacrifice plotting performance for less disk stress ?

The idea behind the plots is that if you use 8000 stagger the disk will seek once. If you use 1000 stagger the disk will seek 8 times in the same file of 8000 nonces.
Thats the difference regarding disk stress.
The real difference in mining is that with a larger stagger you will be able to submit shares faster.
There is no memory usage difference in mining, unlike irontiga said.

All miner only submit share once, is there any benefit for submitting share faster other than if ur share is a block find ? Even if it took me 10 sec to submit share , as long as within that 10 sec no block is found , it's no difference submitting share in 1 sec or 10 sec. Am i right ?

If i am right, lower stagger actually work way better if CPU is not i7 , 8 gb ram because i can plot faster and there is no difference in mining.

I guess you are right. But for example, if I had a 6 Tb drive, and for the sake of this example I have 80 plots with 1000 stagger. Lets say 1 second per file, although it takes more than 2 (depending on size). Thats 80 second right there. If you have 10 files with 8000 stagger the same operation would take 10 seconds.

luckily block time target is 4 mins

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Quote from: yellowduck2 on September 07, 2014, 04:28:22 AM

Quote from: fanepatent on September 07, 2014, 04:22:24 AM

Quote from: yellowduck2 on September 07, 2014, 04:17:02 AM

Quote from: Prototyp on September 07, 2014, 04:14:48 AM

Quote from: yellowduck2 on September 07, 2014, 04:10:43 AM

Quote from: Irontiga on September 07, 2014, 04:09:47 AM

Quote from: yellowduck2 on September 07, 2014, 04:09:02 AM

Question.

Is there any difference in terms of mining (not plot) when using stagger 1000 VS stagger 8000 ?

BIIIGGG difference, bigger stagger requires more RAM, but lowers disk stress.

i am talking about mining , is that true for mining ? I am not asking for plot

He said the mining

I plot way faster with 1000 stagger than 8000 stagger. What does disk stress actually means ? I have to sacrifice plotting performance for less disk stress ?

The idea behind the plots is that if you use 8000 stagger the disk will seek once. If you use 1000 stagger the disk will seek 8 times in the same file of 8000 nonces.
Thats the difference regarding disk stress.
The real difference in mining is that with a larger stagger you will be able to submit shares faster.
There is no memory usage difference in mining, unlike irontiga said.

All miner only submit share once, is there any benefit for submitting share faster other than if ur share is a block find ? Even if it took me 10 sec to submit share , as long as within that 10 sec no block is found , it's no difference submitting share in 1 sec or 10 sec. Am i right ?

If i am right, lower stagger actually work way better if CPU is not i7 , 8 gb ram because i can plot faster and there is no difference in mining.

I guess you are right. But for example, if I had a 6 Tb drive, and for the sake of this example I have 80 plots with 1000 stagger. Lets say 1 second per file, although it takes more than 2 (depending on size). Thats 80 second right there. If you have 10 files with 8000 stagger the same operation would take 10 seconds.

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