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Topic: [ANN][CASH] Crypto CASH | Proof of Stake & COIN CONTROL | On Cryptsy | 0 PREMINE - page 95. (Read 248262 times)

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Exchanges don't do this because there is no good way to identify whose coins minted the block and how to assign them to the minter. That is why with PoS coins its best to withdraw and hold or the exchange gets the stake.

Thanks man. I wondered if that might be the case, but someone was saying on the chat last night they'd seen someone else say there was an exchange that said they were giving the stake. That's a lot of hearsay Smiley
Will pop a comment on that section to see if we can get that confirmed by majority vote Smiley
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so What are the exact rules for POS.. like how many days minimum to let wallet stay open.... when do i need to re-open my wallet if i dont actually use it in 1 month... (cant imagine that... but still...)

What are the exact terms? Wink (in human language pls  Cheesy)
ttack a very expensive proposition as they’d likely have to try to purchase coins from owners who don’t intend to exchange their stake.

POS from exchanges:
The decision as to who receives POS coins when held in an exchange’s wallet is entirely up to the individual exchange. There have been reports of exchanges stating that POS coins will go to the owner of the coins, which exchange this was and validity of this information is currently unknown.

Exchanges that give the owner of the coins the stake:
List of confirmed exchanges……..

Exchanges don't do this because there is no good way to identify whose coins minted the block and how to assign them to the minter. That is why with PoS coins its best to withdraw and hold or the exchange gets the stake.
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so What are the exact rules for POS.. like how many days minimum to let wallet stay open.... when do i need to re-open my wallet if i dont actually use it in 1 month... (cant imagine that... but still...)

What are the exact terms? Wink (in human language pls  Cheesy)

I'm not SURE on much of this myself and it's often asked.
Due to it's complexity, I started trying to write an explaination of how it works so it can be passed to the Dev for him to decide whether to put on the OP and website or not.
However, I quickly realised that I have a huge amount to figure out and have therefore created a google doc for us to all try and get it nailed.
If you KNOW something is wrong, please correct it or make a note to say it's wrong but you don't KNOW what's right and add what you do KNOW.


The more we can do as a community the better.
Please PM me for the link. I would post, but we're bound to end up with trolls in there if I do that. No sign in's required, just the link (I've pre-shared with the regular posters in this thread, can only send to 3 people at a time, it went to 6 people total).

EDIT (0035 UTC 2014.02.14):
I have put some more time into it this evening and this is where it's currently at, it's VERY MUCH A W.I.P and should NOT be taken as accurate in anyway as yet. It's merely a way of getting some feedback from those here who care about the coin and have a better understanding of how POS works than I do. It could do with shortening, I usually end up with extraneous text with things like this.

Quote from: Google Doc
Proof-of-Stake [POS]:
What is Staking:
Every 30 days coins held in an open & unlocked wallet are eligible for additional coins (think of it as interest on deposits). The quantity of coins minted from POS depends on the number of coins held (for 30 days) and POS difficulty.

What will you can expect to get from Staking:
Initial POS will produce an estimated 10% additional coins per year with payouts every 30 days that coins remain in a wallet without being transmitted anywhere. This will be reduced to 1% when POS fully takes over from POW. Coins of mixed maturity will earn their interest when they reach 30 days, so a miner for example receiving coins daily could expect daily payouts from staking if the coins remaining in their wallet.

How to maximise earning potential:
Make sure when sending coins that you choose the right coins to send. There's a feature in the wallet (from v1.1) that allows the selection of coins by age or receiving address (Settings -> Options -> Display -> Display coin control features (experts only!)).

Coins will only generate POS 3 times when held in the same wallet. This is to discourage hoarding and try to ensure a continued circulation of CASH (high liquidity). To continue receiving payouts, transfer the coins to a second wallet once 90 days have past, then transfer them back.

The priority column could do with some refinement, needs a ‘low’ priority and should take longer to reach ‘medium-high, high and highest’

Inflation and Deflation:
The transaction fees from sending coins are destroyed with CASH rather than being added to the block for miners to aquire, this is intended to offset the interest from staking and is the reason why the total coin cap is unknown. If everyone hoards all the coins then none will be destroyed in transactions fees but the supply will continue to grow through interest, likewise, if the coins are frequently used in transactions then they won’t be earning interest and will cause the supply the be reduced due to transaction fees.
If CASH is frequently transmitted, it will take many years to reach ~40million coins.
If CASH is heavily hoarded, it will take significantly less time to reach ~40million coins.

The side-effect of this decision is that instead of transaction fees only going to miners (who use huge amounts of electricity), EVERYONE who possesses CASH has the chance to gain.

Network security effects of Proof-of-Stake:
As is widely (and often inaccurately) reported there’s a potential security flaw from pure POW coins where a single entity could, in theory manipulate the blockchain for a coin and cause a wide range of problems. This is addressed in CASH by having holders of the coins secure the network as a percentage of their ‘stake’ in the currency. To compromise CASH, an attacker would have to own >51% of all coins AND >51% of the hashing power making an attack a very expensive proposition as they’d likely have to try to purchase coins from owners who don’t intend to exchange their stake.

THIS SECTION HAS BEEN DISPUTED AND IS CURRENTLY SET TO BE REMOVED.
POS from exchanges:
The decision as to who receives POS coins when held in an exchange’s wallet is entirely up to the individual exchange. There have been reports of exchanges stating that POS coins will go to the owner of the coins, which exchange this was and validity of this information is currently unknown.

Exchanges that give the owner of the coins the stake:
List of confirmed exchanges……..
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Tried contacting the owner of: http://cryptocashcoin.com/ to request they pop a link in to this coin's website for those looking for information about this coin and end up there (an obvious place to try).

I tried
admin@
info@
webmaster@

All bounced straight back.
If anyone has any idea of how one might contact the owner, please either try yourself, or let me know your ideas and I'll have a go (I have an email already composed).

We could always see if he fancies selling it too Wink
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so What are the exact rules for POS.. like how many days minimum to let wallet stay open.... when do i need to re-open my wallet if i dont actually use it in 1 month... (cant imagine that... but still...)

What are the exact terms? Wink (in human language pls  Cheesy)
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My working wallet is encrypted with a long ass password, so had to make another to stake. Also, staking wallet is on a PC that is on 24h a day, my PC is not, best to keep wallet open full time.

BTW ... bottom reached, hashing up from 4.5 diff to 5.5 in last hour. Buy now or regret later  Grin

DOGE hash rate down from peak of 150GHs to below 100 now, should be back to 75GHs and rest of the market will pick up.
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i was just wondering.... how the hell does the POS system work.... right now i got 1.3 k in my wallet.... i will let it open for at least 2/3 days... got the coincontrol thing in my screen... selected all my coins... pressed ok.. is this enough? or am i completely wrong here

The coin control is so that when you'd like to send coins, you can select the newest to send, leaving the old coins to do their staking once they've been in there for 30 days (once every 30 days).
If you have coins in there that are 10 days, 20 days and 30 days old, you'll get your stake today, in 10 days and in 20 days.

Hope that makes sense (and is accurate, I'm still trying to fully wrap my brain around it all).

That's pretty much it, but I would suggest making a separate wallet to stake coins in and leave it unlocked, while you can lock the one used (and take long to unlock each time  Smiley)

btw .. anyone know what will happen to Smart Coin? Price halved as hashing vanished, then the whole diff bounce exploit to block 35000, now that is over and SMC is very profitable .. should the price drop or rise? Until today only a few folks had a lot of coins to dump at once, which drove the price into the ground (still very profitable when exploited tho). But now thinking if hashing power will return or not.

Only asking this as I need to know if to sell today's takings and buy CASH or sell later if price goes up 40% and buy more CASH and I hear rumour Cryptsy will take it, which as we all know will quadruple the price before crashing again.

alright... so i dont actually have to setup anything... just leave the coins to rest... i thought you needed to click something or shit  Grin
I dont use a different wallet though.. is just opened it with the command in console... for 99999999 sec or something... that would be fine right? Not planning to sell for less then 0.001 or something... and i think that could take a while again... so i better mine and get my pos profit as well  Grin




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I have already seen a few feeds out there the campaign has begun.



I haven't seen anything....nowhere are you seeing it?
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That as a whale on SMC that raise the price to over 0.00015 btc. Now it's back down due to dumpers...

I have a feeling it will rise to 00015 again. Simply because the exploit is closed rendering the dumps obsolete. But it could also mean that with more coins to go around, it will fall to stabilise.

Then again .. CASH rising and falling 50% daily ..

OK I lost that feeling that Smart Coin will bounce 50% , more like 50% down. I'm selling 0.1 BTC at 1000 and buying CASH instead.
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i was just wondering.... how the hell does the POS system work.... right now i got 1.3 k in my wallet.... i will let it open for at least 2/3 days... got the coincontrol thing in my screen... selected all my coins... pressed ok.. is this enough? or am i completely wrong here

The coin control is so that when you'd like to send coins, you can select the newest to send, leaving the old coins to do their staking once they've been in there for 30 days (once every 30 days).


i approve of this feature!!
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That as a whale on SMC that raise the price to over 0.00015 btc. Now it's back down due to dumpers...

I have a feeling it will rise to 00015 again. Simply because the exploit is closed rendering the dumps obsolete. But it could also mean that with more coins to go around, it will fall to stabilise.

Then again .. CASH rising and falling 50% daily ..
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That as a whale on SMC that raise the price to over 0.00015 btc. Now it's back down due to dumpers...
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i was just wondering.... how the hell does the POS system work.... right now i got 1.3 k in my wallet.... i will let it open for at least 2/3 days... got the coincontrol thing in my screen... selected all my coins... pressed ok.. is this enough? or am i completely wrong here

The coin control is so that when you'd like to send coins, you can select the newest to send, leaving the old coins to do their staking once they've been in there for 30 days (once every 30 days).
If you have coins in there that are 10 days, 20 days and 30 days old, you'll get your stake today, in 10 days and in 20 days.

Hope that makes sense (and is accurate, I'm still trying to fully wrap my brain around it all).

That's pretty much it, but I would suggest making a separate wallet to stake coins in and leave it unlocked, while you can lock the one used (and take long to unlock each time  Smiley)

btw .. anyone know what will happen to Smart Coin? Price halved as hashing vanished, then the whole diff bounce exploit to block 35000, now that is over and SMC is very profitable .. should the price drop or rise? Until today only a few folks had a lot of coins to dump at once, which drove the price into the ground (still very profitable when exploited tho). But now thinking if hashing power will return or not.

Only asking this as I need to know if to sell today's takings and buy CASH or sell later if price goes up 40% and buy more CASH and I hear rumour Cryptsy will take it, which as we all know will quadruple the price before crashing again.
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i was just wondering.... how the hell does the POS system work.... right now i got 1.3 k in my wallet.... i will let it open for at least 2/3 days... got the coincontrol thing in my screen... selected all my coins... pressed ok.. is this enough? or am i completely wrong here

The coin control is so that when you'd like to send coins, you can select the newest to send, leaving the old coins to do their staking once they've been in there for 30 days (once every 30 days).
If you have coins in there that are 10 days, 20 days and 30 days old, you'll get your stake today, in 10 days and in 20 days.

Hope that makes sense (and is accurate, I'm still trying to fully wrap my brain around it all).

EDIT: As Varvarin (I think that's right... the Dude with all the V's) rightly pointed out, the wallet has to be unlocked (unencrypted) for staking to work. He's also suggested having two wallets, one unlocked for staking, the other as a 'hot' wallet. I don't disagree with this but as yet I'm not doing this.
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hmmm whats wrong? Why nobody buy cashcoin on cryptsy ? So low buy orders (~0.000xx BTC)  Huh Huh Huh

This ,,,

Only 649 blocks before a lot of Doge Miners will be looking for the next coin, lets try and get them hooked on CASH!

DOGE hash rate doubled from 75GHs last week to 150GHs now .. that is basically half the market .. there is not hashes to spare for anything else.
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Only 649 blocks before a lot of Doge Miners will be looking for the next coin, lets try and get them hooked on CASH!
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i was just wondering.... how the hell does the POS system work.... right now i got 1.3 k in my wallet.... i will let it open for at least 2/3 days... got the coincontrol thing in my screen... selected all my coins... pressed ok.. is this enough? or am i completely wrong here

Coins need to be in your wallet for 30 days before POS will start for you, nothing will happen before that
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hmmm whats wrong? Why nobody buy cashcoin on cryptsy ? So low buy orders (~0.000xx BTC)  Huh Huh Huh
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i was just wondering.... how the hell does the POS system work.... right now i got 1.3 k in my wallet.... i will let it open for at least 2/3 days... got the coincontrol thing in my screen... selected all my coins... pressed ok.. is this enough? or am i completely wrong here
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