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theoretically any game that can be reduced to a set of events with a deterministic game evaluation can be done.
please identify a game that cannot be reduced to a set of events with a deterministic game evaluation.
please identify a game that cannot be reduced to a set of events with a deterministic game evaluation.
Ok, these are big words I don't often use so Im going to have to rely on some duckduckgo searching. Maybe you could rephrase what exactly you mean by deterministic game evaluation?
https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedesign/comments/2mrqum/deterministic_vs_non_deterministic_games/
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A deterministic game will have a starting state, and for every sequence of input received the ending state will always be the same for that given starting state and the same sequence of input. An example would be, play a game of chess till the end, then play a second game of chess with the exact same moves by both players and the outcome (white wins, black wins, or stale-mate) will be the same. Going further, play a third game but set the board up 10 moves into the first game, then play all the remaining moves from that game you'll arrive at the same outcome.
I heard of a video game, don't remember the name, that the designer made deterministic to the point where his bug-report/crash log was just the series of input from the player, so he could recreate the bug/crash exactly how the player did.
In contrast to chess a game of pool or billiards could be considered non-deteministic.
I heard of a video game, don't remember the name, that the designer made deterministic to the point where his bug-report/crash log was just the series of input from the player, so he could recreate the bug/crash exactly how the player did.
In contrast to chess a game of pool or billiards could be considered non-deteministic.
http://www.whatgamesare.com/determinism.html
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Determinism
A game is deterministic if the resolution of player actions leads to completely predictable outcomes. It is indeterministic to one degree or another if actions lead to potentially chaotic outcomes. Chess is an example of a determinist game: the rules allow for no variation of outcome and there are no physical factors involved. Football, on the other hand, is an indeterminist game: players cannot reliably kick the ball exactly the same way each time, and the small variations of that action lead to chaotic outcomes.
A sense of indeterminism, or luck, often makes a game exciting. Players like to sense that there is always a chance that they will win, that the right card will land or a ball will make a lucky bounce. However too much indeterminism (such as in Snakes and Ladders) removes all sense of agency from the game, and that's rarely fun.
Determinism in Programming
Programmers mean something slightly different when discussing deteminism. A game engine like Quake may well be determinist in terms of replicating the results of player action faithfully, but to the player it may feel indeterminist because their execution of that action may be slightly wrong. So although the game is not random, to player it feels a little like it is.
To a programmer, the question of determinism is all about how the game engine behaves. To the game designer, it is about how it is perceived to behave.
A game is deterministic if the resolution of player actions leads to completely predictable outcomes. It is indeterministic to one degree or another if actions lead to potentially chaotic outcomes. Chess is an example of a determinist game: the rules allow for no variation of outcome and there are no physical factors involved. Football, on the other hand, is an indeterminist game: players cannot reliably kick the ball exactly the same way each time, and the small variations of that action lead to chaotic outcomes.
A sense of indeterminism, or luck, often makes a game exciting. Players like to sense that there is always a chance that they will win, that the right card will land or a ball will make a lucky bounce. However too much indeterminism (such as in Snakes and Ladders) removes all sense of agency from the game, and that's rarely fun.
Determinism in Programming
Programmers mean something slightly different when discussing deteminism. A game engine like Quake may well be determinist in terms of replicating the results of player action faithfully, but to the player it may feel indeterminist because their execution of that action may be slightly wrong. So although the game is not random, to player it feels a little like it is.
To a programmer, the question of determinism is all about how the game engine behaves. To the game designer, it is about how it is perceived to behave.
