Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 182. (Read 1151369 times)

No, it's just how things have panned out over time/as a result of the lotto style of staking. When there were less CLAM, it was easier to obtain the number needed to stake daily, which is approximately (# of CLAMs in existence / 1440)

Doog's estimate will be more accurate because it accounts for stake weight - ie, CLAMs in existence not being staked.

Awesome, and it turns out I was running an older client

With the current estimate of  a stack of 900 + clams in order to stake daily would it be correct for me to calculate that it might take more than a month for a stack of 20 to stake? Something like 40 + days is what my estimates are

Was the reasoning behind using stake size to discourage people from having a ton of small stacks?

I like staking clams. 

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Well, my first fix, back in September, left an empty column called "12":



And today I removed the empty column, so now there's no "weight" at all:



I figure there's no point showing the weight when it's just the same as the value in CLAMs.

Thank you for clearing that up Dooglus and thank you for fixing the client to show the correct weight relative to the size of the stack.

The incorrect data in the client led me to believe that the growing weight was a factor.

My mistake based on the data I had available in the client

Thanks Dooglus for the detailed information. It is exciting to be an "early adopter" in this coin. 

I don't think so. While it is true that I didn't invest all my coins at once, I wasn't aiming to deceive anyone. The whole reason for having a crowd-sourced bankroll is that I never wanted to have too high a percentage of the bankroll. It's risky bankrolling a dice site, and I would rather that risk be shared between multiple investors.


I don't know if you are aware of it or not, but you owned more CLAMs than I did when Just-Dice launched with CLAMs. I mentioned to you that I was working on getting the CLAM client into a state that it would work with Just-Dice and you immediately set about buying up all the CLAMs you could. If anyone was trying to "corner a market", it was you.


I look at it like this:

Just-Dice is staking 1134k CLAMs at the moment, and stakes around 1220 times per day. Dividing those two numbers, it takes 929 CLAMs to stake once per day.

Note that CLAM outputs have zero weight for the first 4 hours after they arrive in your wallet. They don't start trying to stake until they have rested for 4 hours after being involved in a transaction, and so the estimated time to stake won't drop until 4 hours after any new CLAMs are deposited to your wallet.


I agree with what you are doing. A few days ago someone withdrew 17k CLAMs and split them into piles of 100 for staking. I think this is good for CLAM as a whole, to have the staking distributed more.


Coin age isn't relevant, other than the "510 blocks after staking" and "4 hours after transacting" rules. After that, each 1 CLAM has a weight of 1. After a month, your balance will have grown by X%, but the total network stake will probably have also grown by X% and so your share of it will be roughly constant. And that's ignoring the effect of digging, which will cause your share to slightly reduce. But also ignoring the effect of some people (eg. poloniex) not staking, which will cause your share to slightly increase...


I think what's going on is that the Qt client hasn't been updated to know that stack weights don't increase over time. So it shows the weights increasing over time when they don't really. Stacks of 20 CLAMs all have a weight of 20 once they are mature (and have rested for 4 hours), whatever the Qt client shows. I just checked, and I removed the 'weight' column from Qt's coincontrol dialog in September.

Maybe you aren't running the latest release, or maybe that change isn't in a released version yet. Either way, it's going to go away. In fact I just noticed that the above commit didn't remove the column fully, it just removed its content. I've now pushed a change which removes the column itself as well.


I didn't call you a liar. I called your statement that the CLAM developers were threatening to remove digging "a lie" - since it isn't true.


Are you saying that I have a responsibility to correct every incorrect statement I see people post, otherwise I am being deceptive? That seems like quite a lot of work you're putting on me.

Just compare the weight of each stack today compared to yesterday and you will see as time passes(age) the weight of each stack will grow. Probably need to get a best practices for staking guide going so its clear. I remember when you only needed a few coins in a stack to have a decent chance at staking.

Just view your coins in list mode and order them by weight and you will see what I am talking about with age and weight

That's a wheel - best hand in deuce-to-seven lowball.

Before you say that lying and being deceptive are the same thing (maybe you'd even use some fancy Latin words yay ) I think of it like this:

Lie: "I didn't shit my pants"  When in fact I did shit my pants.

Deception: I don't tell anyone I shit my pants, but I keep my distance so people never know I shit my pants.

Lie: "I have a full house"  When in fact I have absolutely nothing.

Deception:  I go all in without saying anything when there is a chance of a full house, but I actually have nothing.

"O what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive."
Sir Walter Scott, Marmion


Enough time wasted for post that will be censored anyways by this "Freedom of speech" sales "developer".  

Y'all have a nice night *tips hat*

Peace

I didn't say Dooglus was a liar... other people wouldn't know that due to your censoring my post and quoting shit I didn't say.    

Dooglus is very careful about what he says... it's his acts that are deceptive... not his words (minus the Rat4 thing).  

If he said he didn't slowly leak his investment into JD slowly so it looked better... I would have then called him a liar.

Doog did say I was a liar though.  Which isn't entirely wrong... I said I bought into CLAM on my own research of studying his post.  This was a lie and Dooglus was deceptive by not correcting it, but he never lied about it.  I could name a number of other thing similar.  Such as why JD closed in the first place and blah blah blah.  

The world works better with propagandists sadly and I am what I am.


Why the *?

You aren't my supervisor... in fact you're a nobody with a delete button.

Congrats!!!

I'll convey anything I fucking wish however I fucking wish you fucking peasant and you'll delete/censor whatever you fucking wish... "so be it" says the great Queen spider.

Deleted a quote of BayAreaCoins' previous post.


BayAreaCoins:

If you want to convey your 'Dooglus is a liar' message, or anything else, through reasoned argument - do so.

Telling people to 'suck your d*ck' isn't welcome here.  

Could you post the deleted post in another thread and link to it?  I need a laugh.

I am not sure I understand, why do I see the weight of stacks grow with age?

Are you saying that a 10 day old stack of 20 with a 200 weight has the same chance to stake as a stack of 20 with 1 weight?

If so I have been pretty lucky in spite of myself over the past year

Unless "thefix" meant there would be more clams (amount) from staking, but I don't see how that small of an amount gained in a month would make that big of a difference.
Maybe in a year or so I could see..

i want to trst out something. can i get some CLAMs? xHoC7cVtmn8eEUCoaVNznMQZNgGjxG5qn2

You are correct; age does not figure into weight in CLAM.

CLAMs == weight.

Deleted a post by BayAreaCoins due to gratuitous references to fellatio and personal attacks.

I just want to address the point about dooglus "cornering the market". Even if this were the case, why would that be a bad thing? I would hope that Doog wants to corner the market, even if there are large holders that wont sell at prices anywhere near what we see now. That would cause the price to spike benefiting all holders. It'd also be risky because it would draw attention to undug clams and risk waking up a digger. Who would be hurt by CLAM being cornered? Not gamblers, they buy in at market and can sell after, they just care about liquid btc or $ value. Not investors. Shorts on poloniex would be hurt, but it would serve them right for shorting a small supply coin that had the possibility of being cornered.

This is all just wishing though, as someone who holds CLAM.

Just curious, why do you say "in a month"?  I thought coin age doesn't really matter with clam staking.. unless I'm missing something.