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Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 186. (Read 1151369 times)

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liberty
right, but... which ones stake as easily as clams?

Your question does not really make any sense, any coin that has POS will stake as "easily" as Clams do.

Right, it isn't clear what he means by "easy".

Maybe he's saying:

1) CLAM is easy to stake because it has the highest inflation rate of any PoS coin.

 * If so, that seems very unlikely. CLAM's stake rate isn't especially high. I'm sure you can find higher.

2) It is easy to stake CLAM because you just put some coins in your wallet and they stake automatically.

 * But that's the same for (almost?) all PoS coins. Nothing different about CLAM in that respect.

3) It is easy to stake CLAM because you don't have to download and sync the client; all you need to do is invest your coins at Just-Dice and they will stake for you, and you will get paid every 3 minutes instead of having to wait for days.

 * I guess, but then you're not really staking them, you're having someone else stake them for you. The reward paid every 3 minutes is the effect of everyone's CLAMs working in a giant staking pool.

Ok, jesus.  i'm looking for a list of coins.  I can't find a current list of POS coins that aren't dead.  So I'm asking you guys if you have
any favorites.  People keep answering me without mentioning any specific coin.

What is the list of coins that are currently alive (they are used somewhere and have at least one living developer working on the code),
that are POS coins,
with a reasonable client that wont suck your machine dry,
that have a chance at a future (which clams do I think.)

E.g. Someone mentioned opal coins, but they seem totally dead.

Does anyone anywhere maintain a list of viable crytpos?  E.g. 'cryptos on POLO that are POS'  or 'cryptos on coinmarketcap that are POS'

I'm probably stupid and can't find the list.  That's why I'm asking u smart guys.  So I won't stay stupid.
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Uhhh ladies look at that 200 BTC buy wall  Shocked Shocked Shocked Sure thing BUY BUY BUY you'll be rich Clams to da moon babe!!?¿? Kiss Kiss



So that buy wall is yours? Prove it. Let's see a screen shot of your buy orders from poloniex.
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Uhhh ladies look at that 200 BTC buy wall  Shocked Shocked Shocked Sure thing BUY BUY BUY you'll be rich Clams to da moon babe!!?¿? Kiss Kiss

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right, but... which ones stake as easily as clams?

Your question does not really make any sense, any coin that has POS will stake as "easily" as Clams do.

Right, it isn't clear what he means by "easy".

Maybe he's saying:

1) CLAM is easy to stake because it has the highest inflation rate of any PoS coin.

 * If so, that seems very unlikely. CLAM's stake rate isn't especially high. I'm sure you can find higher.

2) It is easy to stake CLAM because you just put some coins in your wallet and they stake automatically.

 * But that's the same for (almost?) all PoS coins. Nothing different about CLAM in that respect.

3) It is easy to stake CLAM because you don't have to download and sync the client; all you need to do is invest your coins at Just-Dice and they will stake for you, and you will get paid every 3 minutes instead of having to wait for days.

 * I guess, but then you're not really staking them, you're having someone else stake them for you. The reward paid every 3 minutes is the effect of everyone's CLAMs working in a giant staking pool.
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JD in its history wagered probably over 100s of millions of $.

JD once saw over $100M worth of BTC wagered in a single day.
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Im sorry, but how is CLAM even worth anything? How can it be the same pricw as coins such as Factom and ETH? I really dont understand..

It makes very little sense to compare the per-unit price of a coin without considering the number of coins in existence.

People tend to multiply the per-unit price by the number in existence to get numbers they can compare.

Take a look at http://coinmarketcap.com/ for instance. They rank coins like that. BTC is #1, ETH #4, FCT #12, and CLAM #26.

New altcoins regularly appear and get pumped for a while then fade back into obscurity. Factom seems popular at the moment, but check back in a few months.
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right, but... which ones stake as easily as clams?

Your question does not really make any sense, any coin that has POS will stake as "easily" as Clams do.
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willmathforcrypto.com
By the way, I'm forking the clam code because I need a functioning p2p rumour network for something I'm trying out. I've changed the default ports and magic number, so no one running clams should notice anything. I'm open to the idea of directly integrating with the clam network in some way, but let's wait and see. I'll post something more depending on whether things are successful.

My fork of the clam code is described here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13498133

In short: I'm trying to use the modified clam network to pass around data for a different network (Qeditas). I do it by representing everything as a dummy clam tx (generally no inputs and no outputs) that has all the actual data in the clamspeech part. Yes, it's a hack. But it might work, and I don't have enough C++ experience to code it cleanly from scratch (like having a new class for each kind of data).
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liberty
right, but... which ones stake as easily as clams?
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What other coins stake as easily as Clams?


Many do but that is not the point. Its more about the options you get with CLAM. You can solo stake if you want or invest in gambling sites (such as JD and BitDice) where you can be an investor and still stake. If staking is not your thing there is always movement in the exchange so you can trade (people buy and sell for gambling). You can even lend the the CLAM out on Polo if you want and earn more that way.
Its a good mix Smiley
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liberty
What other coins stake as easily as Clams?
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FCT is backed by a multinational Microsoft and so is ethereum
You the same troll from before that claims clam is worth .0007.

Same degree of dislocation from reality ...

“backed by a multinational Microsoft” == Azure-specific deployment script hosted on Github

“This template deploys a Go Ethereum client along with a genesis block on Ubuntu virtual machines”

https://github.com/Azure/azure-quickstart-templates/tree/master/go-ethereum-on-ubuntu

just one of a long list...

https://github.com/Azure/azure-quickstart-templates


Cheers

Graham
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Ok thank you for your response, I understand it has value, and I guess everything has a value. However, I still feel like it is overprices ALOT as FCT is backed by a multinational Microsoft and so is ethereum, both coins a worth the same amount currently, in my eyes thats crazy..

Thanks for your response though, I will be back around when the price is around 50k Wink
You the same troll from before that claims clam is worth .0007.
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Ok thank you for your response, I understand it has value, and I guess everything has a value. However, I still feel like it is overprices ALOT as FCT is backed by a multinational Microsoft and so is ethereum, both coins a worth the same amount currently, in my eyes thats crazy..

Thanks for your response though, I will be back around when the price is around 50k Wink

Yeah its also crazy someone thinks fatcom is backed by microsoft just because they experiment with it on one of their platforms. Just dice is one of the biggest longest running(honest) gambling platform in crypto world. JD in its history wagered probably over 100s of millions of $. What exactly can I do with factom?

All these alts are basically like startup tech firms.  Factom has a vision that makes sense and will probably be realized eventually by someone, maybe them.  Ethereum too has some great ideas.  Clam isn't driven by a strong vision of the future from what I can see, and that's ok too.

Eventually startups often fail.  Many of these Alts may also.  Some may catch on and get huge.  It's hard to know.

I like clams because of the staking and the tradability.  It is loanable on Polo, one of the few.  When loan rates are low, I can stake it.

Factom is very young, and unproven.  Ditto for Ether.  I hope they succeed.  But they really don't compete with clams.  I'm not sure where clams
may ultimately fit in, but as long as there is a developer focused on it, it will continue.  I could see it becoming at least as big as LTC over time.
Why not?

What other coins stake as easily as Clams?
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Ok thank you for your response, I understand it has value, and I guess everything has a value. However, I still feel like it is overprices ALOT as FCT is backed by a multinational Microsoft and so is ethereum, both coins a worth the same amount currently, in my eyes thats crazy..

Thanks for your response though, I will be back around when the price is around 50k Wink

Yeah its also crazy someone thinks fatcom is backed by microsoft just because they experiment with it on one of their platforms. Just dice is one of the biggest longest running(honest) gambling platform in crypto world. JD in its history wagered probably over 100s of millions of $. What exactly can I do with factom?
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Ok thank you for your response, I understand it has value, and I guess everything has a value. However, I still feel like it is overprices ALOT as FCT is backed by a multinational Microsoft and so is ethereum, both coins a worth the same amount currently, in my eyes thats crazy..

Thanks for your response though, I will be back around when the price is around 50k Wink
legendary
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Im sorry, but how is CLAM even worth anything? How can it be the same pricw as coins such as Factom and ETH? I really dont understand..

CLAM has some nice features such as the voting system (tho some part of it is still in development to make it user friendly). The main reason why it is so high is Just-Dice. Being the usable currency for the iconic gambling site is worth more than pretty much any innovation those named coins have.
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Im sorry, but how is CLAM even worth anything? How can it be the same pricw as coins such as Factom and ETH? I really dont understand..
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willmathforcrypto.com
I just saw this comment in the code and was quite amused.

https://github.com/nochowderforyou/clams/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L1097
Code:
        //Sanity Checks, If they happen: "We're All Going To Die"

By the way, I'm forking the clam code because I need a functioning p2p rumour network for something I'm trying out. I've changed the default ports and magic number, so no one running clams should notice anything. I'm open to the idea of directly integrating with the clam network in some way, but let's wait and see. I'll post something more depending on whether things are successful.
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There will be a full explanation and user guide available on the website once the client is squared-away.

I wonder if we should make an interim release with just Kef's CLAMour/CLAMspeech GUI changes merged in.

xploited's "reindex" merge is big and largely untested. I don't know how long it will take before we are confident releasing it, or how we even get to that stage. Kef's changes are tiny in comparison - but maybe they depend on the changes I made which prompted the need for merging the reindex stuff in the first place.

Also, I guess you have other stuff on your mind right now. Good luck with that! Smiley

IIRC the only change I made that depends on yours is the GUI for the "getclamour" RPC method. So, just the get-petition-by-pid form.

Now that I think about it, there should probably be a GUI for the "getsupport" RPC method too...hmm.
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