[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 208.

dooglus

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Quote from: gamblingbad on December 05, 2015, 06:18:48 AM

Here is remove digging petition.

clamour 5afa074c237d00d2e5290dd6c7d8c213cfb55ced916ab4559b563139ca0396b8 http://txti.es/5afa074c

txt id : 296c14ba4214ff57aed6813459427984c2dbb31a2d75e598d94a5cebf588d730

petitionid is 5afa074c

i dont know it is done right can someone

Please support it.

I had already added it to my list at http://txti.es/clamour - according to https://just-dice.com/misc/clamour_weights.txt it is the most popular option at Just-Dice so far (other than the default 'do nothing' option, of course).

I see JD made its first CLAMour vote:

and it also made a vote supporting your 'remove digging' one. See http://khashier.com/tx/dc9ce47ba791c60c2e4ab72a5f9837e24d8e0cb1ca2eed997724815ff3e52f26 for example.

dooglus

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Quote from: Nextgen on December 05, 2015, 04:14:09 AM

So it is going to effect pepole in any way for holding clams now ?
I am not that developer/technical guy but i hold some hundreds and care about that.

edit: BAC's ratings on top of that.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. What does your "it" refer to?

BAC's ratings were made in anger. I don't think they're relevant.

gamblingbad

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Here is remove digging petition.

clamour 5afa074c237d00d2e5290dd6c7d8c213cfb55ced916ab4559b563139ca0396b8 http://txti.es/5afa074c

txt id : 296c14ba4214ff57aed6813459427984c2dbb31a2d75e598d94a5cebf588d730

petitionid is 5afa074c

i dont know it is done right can someone

Please support it.

SuperClam

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Quote from: o_dima on December 05, 2015, 05:08:08 AM

Quote from: dooglus on December 05, 2015, 02:14:56 AM

I just made it. It's 23:09 Pacific.

So I can indicate only support for an registered petition. Can I vote against it?
I really don't like that one to increase stacking reward per block.

A petition/CLAMour must prove itself on it's own merits.
It must prove support by users pro-actively supporting it.

If you do not wish to support it, you must do nothing.
The blocks you stake will be interpreted to 'not' support by virtue of how the system works.
Essentially, not specifically supporting it is a default vote for "No Change".

o_dima

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Quote from: dooglus on December 05, 2015, 02:14:56 AM

I just made it. It's 23:09 Pacific.

So I can indicate only support for an registered petition. Can I vote against it?
I really don't like that one to increase stacking reward per block.

Nextgen

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So it is going to effect pepole in any way for holding clams now ?
I am not that developer/technical guy but i hold some hundreds and care about that.

edit: BAC's ratings on top of that.

SuperClam

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Quote from: e-coinomist on December 05, 2015, 02:37:57 AM

Quote from: smooth on December 04, 2015, 10:11:56 PM

Quote from: ReturnOfTheMAC on December 04, 2015, 08:47:40 PM

Quote from: smooth on December 04, 2015, 07:08:32 PM

I previously called for 200k-300k. I think this rise from 100k was almost inevitable as long as their wasn't an attack on the network.
From here, I'm less confident about immediate upside. Of course we can go to 300k which is a nice 50% upside from 200k, but we could also stall at 200k for a while or dip down below it. From a short- to mid-term speculation perspective I don't see CLAMs as a huge buy any more.

I disagree. I see the large buys up the order book as a sign there's several big players who intend on taking it far higher. Some of these guys are buying tens of thousands of USD worth of clams - you don't do that without having the means to pump it much higher.

Let me restate. It is a matter of probabilities and just how compelling a buy it is. I'm holding. I definitely think it can go higher. I just don't think it is as compelling as it was at 100k.

Pretty obvious some exchange sites did a very good job on sheduled data backups during these years. Guess what, they owned a lot of adress keys from a lot of people.
Not compelling to buy in.

It doesn't matter how many empty addresses they have "backed-up".

It only matters if the service failed to sweep their wallets, such that they have many many balance holding keys.

EDIT:
In order to have the number of CLAM claimed by "curious" the "digger", we are talking over 100,000 balance holding keys.
That would suggest over 100,000 deposits/outputs which didn't move through to the snapshot for the distribution.
Impossible? No.
I believe if we have anymore large diggers like this, they will be edge cases, and not 'premiere' exchanges (some of which I expect have already claimed).
Gambling sites which required individual txs per bet, faucet users, people toying with embedding data in the chain, extremely poorly managed and unswept wallets, that type of thing.

e-coinomist

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Quote from: smooth on December 04, 2015, 10:11:56 PM

Quote from: ReturnOfTheMAC on December 04, 2015, 08:47:40 PM

Quote from: smooth on December 04, 2015, 07:08:32 PM

I previously called for 200k-300k. I think this rise from 100k was almost inevitable as long as their wasn't an attack on the network.

From here, I'm less confident about immediate upside. Of course we can go to 300k which is a nice 50% upside from 200k, but we could also stall at 200k for a while or dip down below it. From a short- to mid-term speculation perspective I don't see CLAMs as a huge buy any more.

I disagree. I see the large buys up the order book as a sign there's several big players who intend on taking it far higher. Some of these guys are buying tens of thousands of USD worth of clams - you don't do that without having the means to pump it much higher.

Let me restate. It is a matter of probabilities and just how compelling a buy it is. I'm holding. I definitely think it can go higher. I just don't think it is as compelling as it was at 100k.

Pretty obvious some exchange sites did a very good job on sheduled data backups during these years. Guess what, they owned a lot of adress keys from a lot of people.

Not compelling to buy in.

dooglus

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Quote from: dooglus on December 04, 2015, 10:07:06 PM

Quote from: gamblingbad on December 04, 2015, 06:37:21 AM

Voting is soon ready?

I'm hoping to add voting to Just-Dice today.

I just made it. It's 23:09 Pacific.

Reload the Just-Dice site. On the 'account' tab, you'll see:

And at https://just-dice.com/misc/clamour_weights.txt you can see how the JD wallets are currently staking. The number at the start of each line is the number of satoshis voting that way:

http://txti.es/clamour has a list of the petitions I know about so far.

smooth

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Quote from: ReturnOfTheMAC on December 04, 2015, 08:47:40 PM

Quote from: smooth on December 04, 2015, 07:08:32 PM

Quote from: ReturnOfTheMAC on December 04, 2015, 06:20:22 PM

Great to see the price comfortably above 200K - looking forward to waking up tomorrow to see my CLAMs over 250!

I previously called for 200k-300k. I think this rise from 100k was almost inevitable as long as their wasn't an attack on the network.

From here, I'm less confident about immediate upside. Of course we can go to 300k which is a nice 50% upside from 200k, but we could also stall at 200k for a while or dip down below it. From a short- to mid-term speculation perspective I don't see CLAMs as a huge buy any more.

I disagree. I see the large buys up the order book as a sign there's several big players who intend on taking it far higher. Some of these guys are buying tens of thousands of USD worth of clams - you don't do that without having the means to pump it much higher.

Let me restate. It is a matter of probabilities and just how compelling a buy it is. I'm holding. I definitely think it can go higher. I just don't think it is as compelling as it was at 100k.

dooglus

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Quote from: gamblingbad on December 04, 2015, 06:37:21 AM

Voting is soon ready?

I'm hoping to add voting to Just-Dice today.

In the mean time, if you have any petitions to propose, you can register them on the blockchain as follows:

1) write the petition in a text file. be specific, give numbers. make it so that if your petition gains widespread approval there won't be any argument as to what it is we have actually all agreed upon

2) sha256 hash your text file

3) take the first 8 hex digits of the sha256 hash; that's your petition ID

4) upload the text somewhere, along with its hash; I like http://txti.es/ - it's quick and easy, and lets you choose which URL you want.

5) make a transaction on the CLAM blockchain with speech "create clamour " where is the hash from step 2, and is the URL from step 4.

Note: in step 4 I would suggest having http://txti.es/ be the URL for each petition with a petition ID of - but that's up to you. I registered http://txti.es/clamour and intend to keep it up to date with any reasonable petitions. For some definition of "reasonable". Note that it will be possible to see a list of all registered petitions by running "listclamours" in the forthcoming CLAM client release.

For example, I made a test petition.

Step 1: I put it in text file:

Code:

$ cat /tmp/petition1.txt
Test petition 1.

Not a real petition.

Just for testing
$

Step 2: I hashed it:

Code:

$ sha256sum /tmp/petition1.txt
fd7fd6bbd86c072f6e4e323905154b7b40ee5c5fdd786ea574e59d58c2fc0bb5  /tmp/petition1.txt
$

Step 3: The petition ID is fd7fd6bb, the first 8 characters of the hash from step 3.

Step 4: I uploaded it to txti.es, as http://txti.es/fd7fd6bb

Step 5: I made a transaction with speech "create clamour fd7fd6bbd86c072f6e4e323905154b7b40ee5c5fdd786ea574e59d58c2fc0bb5 http://txti.es/fd7fd6bb" by using the CLAMspeech field when withdrawing from my Just-Dice account.

Now anyone can vote for that petition by putting "clamour fd7fd6bb" in their CLAMspeech when staking.

Just-Dice investors can support the petition by including "fd7fd6bb" in the list of petitions they support on the account tab (once I put that change live, in a few hours I hope).

ReturnOfTheMAC

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Quote from: smooth on December 04, 2015, 07:08:32 PM

Quote from: ReturnOfTheMAC on December 04, 2015, 06:20:22 PM

Great to see the price comfortably above 200K - looking forward to waking up tomorrow to see my CLAMs over 250!

I previously called for 200k-300k. I think this rise from 100k was almost inevitable as long as their wasn't an attack on the network.

From here, I'm less confident about immediate upside. Of course we can go to 300k which is a nice 50% upside from 200k, but we could also stall at 200k for a while or dip down below it. From a short- to mid-term speculation perspective I don't see CLAMs as a huge buy any more.

I disagree. I see the large buys up the order book as a sign there's several big players who intend on taking it far higher. Some of these guys are buying tens of thousands of USD worth of clams - you don't do that without having the means to pump it much higher.

smooth

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Quote from: ReturnOfTheMAC on December 04, 2015, 06:20:22 PM

Great to see the price comfortably above 200K - looking forward to waking up tomorrow to see my CLAMs over 250!

I previously called for 200k-300k. I think this rise from 100k was almost inevitable as long as their wasn't an attack on the network.

From here, I'm less confident about immediate upside. Of course we can go to 300k which is a nice 50% upside from 200k, but we could also stall at 200k for a while or dip down below it. From a short- to mid-term speculation perspective I don't see CLAMs as a huge buy any more.

ReturnOfTheMAC

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Great to see the price comfortably above 200K - looking forward to waking up tomorrow to see my CLAMs over 250!

gamblingbad

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Quote from: Trent Russell on December 04, 2015, 08:21:39 AM

Quote from: gamblingbad on December 04, 2015, 06:37:21 AM

Voting is soon ready?

Voting is ready now, as far as I know. I think someone could probably start a CLAMour petition already. If someone does, I assume they'll post it here.

Guess i need to find out how to do since no one else do it=) But i guess dooglus need finnish his votingsystem on jd first

MonsterZeroPrice

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WOW, made 3 BTC on a long position, yeah

Trent Russell

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Quote from: gamblingbad on December 04, 2015, 06:37:21 AM

Voting is soon ready?

Voting is ready now, as far as I know. I think someone could probably start a CLAMour petition already. If someone does, I assume they'll post it here.

gamblingbad

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Voting is soon ready?

ReturnOfTheMAC

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Quote from: dooglus on December 04, 2015, 12:15:24 AM

Quote from: ReturnOfTheMAC on December 03, 2015, 04:22:39 PM

I buy more clams every 8 hours so long as the Just-Dice investment ticker keeps increasing, its gone up around 60,000 CLAMS in 3 days which is a decent amount in this low volume period.

I think most of that can be explained by Poloniex having daily withdrawal limits. A people bought a lot of CLAMs from curious a few days ago but weren't able to withdraw them all at once.

Ah that makes sense - thanks for clarifying!

dooglus

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Quote from: ReturnOfTheMAC on December 03, 2015, 04:22:39 PM

I buy more clams every 8 hours so long as the Just-Dice investment ticker keeps increasing, its gone up around 60,000 CLAMS in 3 days which is a decent amount in this low volume period.

I think most of that can be explained by Poloniex having daily withdrawal limits. People bought a lot of CLAMs from curious a few days ago but weren't able to withdraw them all at once.

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