[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 228.

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Quote from: bobboooiie on November 22, 2015, 04:58:48 PM

I have this interesting though that the digger actually might be someone from cryptsy. We all know they have some problems at the moment and the timing when they first stopped paying people kinda fits into when our whale digger starts digging. Now Iam not that smart to do this but cannot someone figure out how we could verify this, for example by tying someones address from cryptsy to address that has been dug by our whale?

Now this is funny! I was just having the same thought running through my mind! In fact, it is the exact reason I checked into this thread! Wouldn't it be something if this whole plot was thought out in the backrooms of Cryptsy? Oh, the intrigue of things! Question: If it were a cleverly designed plot, would it be immoral, or illegal, or just scammy?

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I have this interesting though that the digger actually might be someone from cryptsy. We all know they have some problems at the moment and the timing when they first stopped paying people kinda fits into when our whale digger starts digging. Now Iam not that smart to do this but cannot someone figure out how we could verify this, for example by tying someones address from cryptsy to address that has been dug by our whale?

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For what it's worth I should point out that I have more than 700 coins, but they are in different wallets. I'm working on consolidating things better for a bit more transparency on how much is being staked somewhere other than JD.

Does anyone know if there is an easy way to get the clam client to send change back to the same address. I'd like the pool to have a single transparent address on the block explorer but when payouts are made the standard client will send change to a new address (at least bitcoind will do that, I assume clamd is the same?)

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Quote from: chilly2k on November 22, 2015, 03:08:21 PM

Quote from: smooth on November 22, 2015, 01:54:14 PM

Quote from: SuperClam on November 22, 2015, 01:17:25 PM

Was hoping your offer would get more traction.

Participation has increased dramatically! (from zero to one)

That's a 100% increase... Cheesy

Percentages only apply to numbers greater than or less than 0. 100% increase of 0 is still 0.

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Quote from: smooth on November 22, 2015, 01:54:14 PM

Quote from: SuperClam on November 22, 2015, 01:17:25 PM

Was hoping your offer would get more traction.

Participation has increased dramatically! (from zero to one)

That's a 100% increase... Cheesy

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Quote from: SuperClam on November 21, 2015, 08:58:38 PM

As for dooglus and I, you caught us.
We are indeed the same person. /s

You are a professional at giving people mini-heart attacks, bravo Tongue

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Sincerely,
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Quote from: clf99 on November 22, 2015, 02:24:29 PM

is the definition of 'digging' something like, 'looking for ignored bitcoin addresses to claim the clams therein somehow'?

i can't figure out what you guys are arguing about. enlighten me

OK, so when you create a new crypto coin, you need to decide how to distribute it.

Bitcoin decided to give it all to miners, 50 BTC per block for the first 4 years, then 25 BTC per block, and so on, halving every 4 blocks.

Some coins the developer pre-mines all the coins and sells them. That's generally considered scammy - the developer gets all the money.

CLAM decided to pre-mine all the coins and give them all away. 4.6 CLAMs were given to every BTC, LTC, and DOGE address that was funded on some date in May 2014.

Digging is the act of claiming those 4.6 CLAMs.

The thing we guys are arguing about is that it turns out that a single person ("curious") has a wallet with around 100,000 funded BTC addresses in it, and so is able to dig up around 500,000 free CLAMs from the initial distribution. The total CLAMs that already existed when he started was something like 800,000 and so his 500k represents a significant increase in the active money supply.

That's the top-level overview. Get it now?

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is the definition of 'digging' something like, 'looking for ignored bitcoin addresses to claim the clams therein somehow'?

i can't figure out what you guys are arguing about. enlighten me

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Quote from: SuperClam on November 22, 2015, 01:17:25 PM

Was hoping your offer would get more traction.

Participation has increased dramatically! (from zero to one)

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Quote from: SuperClam on November 22, 2015, 01:17:25 PM

Quote from: smooth on November 22, 2015, 01:15:03 PM

Quote from: SuperClam on November 22, 2015, 01:11:04 PM

Quote from: alrachid on November 22, 2015, 01:03:58 PM

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when u only see 10k for sale on polo or 1,1M invested on jd

Why don't more people point that out?

I would expect CLAM has one of, if not the, largest percentage actively staking of any Proof-Of-Stake network.
An interesting data-point, surely.

Unfortunately it may also have the highest percentage being staked by one wallet.

Unfortunate, indeed.
Was hoping your offer would get more traction.
We could help to set-up a free web front-end, if you were interested.
Pretty sure bustaclam will be adding stake/invest options soon.

A few centralized locations to stake is better than one, not optimal but it is a start. The more services clam has to offer the better!

I still would like to see more people staking with the wallets they own

Keep in mind its never a good idea to keep all you own in one location

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Quote from: SuperClam on November 22, 2015, 01:17:25 PM

Quote from: smooth on November 22, 2015, 01:15:03 PM

Quote from: SuperClam on November 22, 2015, 01:11:04 PM

Quote from: alrachid on November 22, 2015, 01:03:58 PM

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when u only see 10k for sale on polo or 1,1M invested on jd

Why don't more people point that out?

I would expect CLAM has one of, if not the, largest percentage actively staking of any Proof-Of-Stake network.
An interesting data-point, surely.

Unfortunately it may also have the highest percentage being staked by one wallet.

Unfortunate, indeed.
Was hoping your offer would get more traction.
We could help to set-up a free web front-end, if you were interested.
Pretty sure bustaclam will be adding stake/invest options soon.

I agree with ur idea
it will make it more attractive Grin

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Quote from: smooth on November 22, 2015, 01:15:03 PM

Quote from: SuperClam on November 22, 2015, 01:11:04 PM

Quote from: alrachid on November 22, 2015, 01:03:58 PM

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when u only see 10k for sale on polo or 1,1M invested on jd

Why don't more people point that out?

I would expect CLAM has one of, if not the, largest percentage actively staking of any Proof-Of-Stake network.
An interesting data-point, surely.

Unfortunately it may also have the highest percentage being staked by one wallet.

Unfortunate, indeed.
Was hoping your offer would get more traction.
We could help to set-up a free web front-end, if you were interested.
Pretty sure bustaclam will be adding stake/invest options soon.

smooth

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Quote from: SuperClam on November 22, 2015, 01:11:04 PM

Quote from: alrachid on November 22, 2015, 01:03:58 PM

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when u only see 10k for sale on polo or 1,1M invested on jd

Why don't more people point that out?

I would expect CLAM has one of, if not the, largest percentage actively staking of any Proof-Of-Stake network.
An interesting data-point, surely.

Unfortunately it may also have the highest percentage being staked by one wallet.

SuperClam

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Quote from: alrachid on November 22, 2015, 01:03:58 PM

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when u only see 10k for sale on polo or 1,1M invested on jd

Why don't more people point that out?

I would expect CLAM has one of, if not the, largest percentage actively staking of any Proof-Of-Stake network.
An interesting data-point, surely.

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Just another man trying to find his way.

when u only see 10k for sale on polo or 1,1M invested on jd
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Why don't more people point that out?

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Quote from: crazyivan on November 22, 2015, 12:47:38 PM

Quote from: USB-S on November 22, 2015, 11:04:58 AM

What's the estimate time before the digger runs out of clams?

6 months. Unless he s got more addresses stashed somewhere. I can bet he ll sell his left nut to try to find/get/obrain/steal more. Ending digging is the only survival option.

This is incorrect, unless the rate of "digging" has changed.
"The digger" has dramatically increased the rate of digging since revealing his account "curious" on the forum here.
He has suggested he would post all of his CLAM for sale on Poloniex.
By looking at the order books, this appears to be an honest statement.

That said, there is no way to know if anyone has more addresses "stashed" away somewhere.
I would hope that there are a great many people, who soon discover CLAM, that have addressed "stashed" away.
The emphasis being on the "great many people".

In the past, when digs happen, it seems to positively effect the network.
The exception to that rule, of course, is this massive digger, who's claim represented hundreds of thousands of CLAM.

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Quote from: USB-S on November 22, 2015, 11:04:58 AM

What's the estimate time before the digger runs out of clams?

6 months. Unless he s got more addresses stashed somewhere. I can bet he ll sell his left nut to try to find/get/obrain/steal more. Ending digging is the only survival option.

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Quote from: Hippie Tech on November 22, 2015, 08:47:27 AM

DGB, CLAMs... advertising for gambling scams... Is there anything that you and xploited do not do together ?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8243713
WTF is Dabs doing supporting this scam and his current one, 64blocks ??
And why is he asking for Dooglus' help ?? lol
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8241705

Quote from: Hippie Tech on November 22, 2015, 07:50:30 AM

Quote from: Jocuserious on November 21, 2015, 10:43:09 PM

Quote from: TooDumbForBitcoin on November 21, 2015, 10:39:53 PM

Quote from: Jocuserious on November 21, 2015, 10:33:23 PM

Is there a summary available somewhere? What is the digger doing and why?
Someone mentioned it in the Polobox the other day and I am merely curious.

Whoa!! You're curious? HippieDick, get on this, right now! This guy's name anagrams to "Jose Curious". A clue!!!

FFS. Do you think I haven't read the previous couple of pages?

So what was it exactly that caused you to break your 3+ month long silence ?
Did it bother you that I was trolling yet another scam that you and your chums are involved with ? (must be running low on socks Tongue

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Do you have a thing for coins that use a 100% centralized distribution model ? eg. Your last post on Aug 28 was in support of Skycoin (and it's 100% premine).
Please stop necroing your dormant accounts. NO ONE is believing you guys anymore..

There are no "socks".

None of this information was "hidden".
Heck, we co-promoted a bit with Digibyte shortly after launch.

You are either following coincidences, choosing to troll the thread for your own amusement or a sock for BayAreaCoins.

Quote from: USB-S on November 22, 2015, 11:04:58 AM

What's the estimate time before the digger runs out of clams?

"curious", the Digger, has recently begun digging at at increased velocity.
I would expect it is "finished" quite soon.
Of course, there is no way to know how many wallets a user has, or even keys within a wallet.
We are working entirely from data on-chain and a perceived pattern of digs in the debug.log file.

Quote from: tex99 on November 22, 2015, 06:28:29 AM

Could someone post a working link to that file, or better than that post a link to a file containing all the whale digger's used addresses to date? If it's possible I would also like a list of all addresses the whale digger could potentially use in the future.

Download and sync the client.
Every time a distribution output is moved, a message is posted to the debug.log file on your computer.
It is quite simple to convert the address to it's tied BTC address(details are linked earlier in this thread).

Pull the "DIG" messages out of your debug.log file and then convert them to BTC.
If you see a pattern where there are multiple outputs from the same block claimed at the same time, you can "assume" they are "the digger".

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Quote from: USB-S on November 22, 2015, 11:04:58 AM

What's the estimate time before the digger runs out of clams?

when u only see 10k for sale on polo or 1,1M invested on jd

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What's the estimate time before the digger runs out of clams?

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