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Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 230. (Read 1151373 times)

legendary
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There are 644,322 accounts on Bitcointalk. Of those, only 55 have the word "curious" or "curiosity" in them.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sa=search
You could say the odds that "SuperClam - creativecuriosity" (the dev) and "Curious" (the digger) do NOT know each other are around 11,700 to 1.

I'm not a statistics expert but that is (wait for it)..... curious.
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dooglus i Can see Latest digger Chart
legendary
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[snip]

I can try to convince you of the timescales. At 2015-11-13 22:51:23 the digger dug the following addresses: [x9NXaGSz] [xA9338mM] [xPWEDmTS] [xEZKQHEU] [xPosuwLa] [xNNwmVoL] [xXL7bZ5s], all of which were funded in block 5763. Click each link and check which block the addresses were funded in, and which block they were emptied in. Before that he was working on block 5764, and so on back up to the newest distribution block. If you were to dig from block 9999 back to block 5764, you would have dug 38.32% of all the distribution CLAMs. Since the whale digger's CLAMs are uniformly distributed through the initial distribution we can say with pretty good certainty that he is around 38% of the way through digging the wallet he's currently working on.

[snip]

How do you know the whale digger dug those particular addresses, and is there a way to find which Bitcoin, Litecoin or Dogecoin addresses correspond to those clam addresses?

Is there a way to get a list of all the addresses this particular whale digger has already claimed his clams from?

Is there a way to get a list of all the addresses this particular whale digger can potentially claim clams from in the future?


I have searched this thread, the clams website, the clams github, and the internet for a list of the Bitcoin, Litecoin and Dogecoin addresses whose snapshots were used in the clams distribution without success. Is there a list of those distribution addresses available?

I also searched the early blocks in the block explorer, but couldn't find any Bitcoin, Litecoin or Dogecoin addresses. Where are those addresses in the clams blockchain?


I researched answers to these two queries some more and discovered different coins have a different version byte stored in their address, which explains how a clam address can have the same private key as a bitcoin address, but both addresses will be different. Were the Bitcoin, Litecoin and Dogecoin snapshot addresses converted to clams format before they were placed in the clams blockchain? Is that why I can't find any Bitcoin, Litecoin or Dogecoin addresses in there?


I was wondering whether it's possible to find out whether a particular Bitcoin address has any CLAMS associated with it without having to have access to the private key.

The helpful folks on the #clams IRC channel told me it is - you can convert from Bitcoin address to CLAMS address without needing the private key.

Here's one way of doing it, using the "python-bitcoinlib" library:

$ git clone https://github.com/jgarzik/python-bitcoinlib.git
Cloning into 'python-bitcoinlib'...
remote: Reusing existing pack: 913, done.       
remote: Total 913 (delta 0), reused 0 (delta 0)       
Receiving objects: 100% (913/913), 300.69 KiB | 145.00 KiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (487/487), done.
Checking connectivity... done.

$ cd python-bitcoinlib/

$ python
Python 2.7.6 (default, Mar 22 2014, 22:59:56)
[GCC 4.8.2] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import bitcoin.base58
>>> def btc2clam(addr): return bitcoin.base58.CBase58Data(bitcoin.base58.decode(addr)[1:-4], 0x89).__str__()
...
>>> print btc2clam('14o7zMMUJkG6De24r3JkJ6USgChq7iWF86')
xC6ktEBwaTk8G27wCWwQjGmDuK14SZPvJa
>>>
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[snip]

I can try to convince you of the timescales. At 2015-11-13 22:51:23 the digger dug the following addresses: [x9NXaGSz] [xA9338mM] [xPWEDmTS] [xEZKQHEU] [xPosuwLa] [xNNwmVoL] [xXL7bZ5s], all of which were funded in block 5763. Click each link and check which block the addresses were funded in, and which block they were emptied in. Before that he was working on block 5764, and so on back up to the newest distribution block. If you were to dig from block 9999 back to block 5764, you would have dug 38.32% of all the distribution CLAMs. Since the whale digger's CLAMs are uniformly distributed through the initial distribution we can say with pretty good certainty that he is around 38% of the way through digging the wallet he's currently working on.

[snip]

How do you know the whale digger dug those particular addresses, and is there a way to find which Bitcoin, Litecoin or Dogecoin addresses correspond to those clam addresses?

Is there a way to get a list of all the addresses this particular whale digger has already claimed his clams from?

Is there a way to get a list of all the addresses this particular whale digger can potentially claim clams from in the future?


I have searched this thread, the clams website, the clams github, and the internet for a list of the Bitcoin, Litecoin and Dogecoin addresses whose snapshots were used in the clams distribution without success. Is there a list of those distribution addresses available?

I also searched the early blocks in the block explorer, but couldn't find any Bitcoin, Litecoin or Dogecoin addresses. Where are those addresses in the clams blockchain?


I researched answers to these two queries some more and discovered different coins have a different version byte stored in their address, which explains how a clam address can have the same private key as a bitcoin address, but both addresses will be different. Were the Bitcoin, Litecoin and Dogecoin snapshot addresses converted to clams format before they were placed in the clams blockchain? Is that why I can't find any Bitcoin, Litecoin or Dogecoin addresses in there?
legendary
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I wasn't thinking too much about hiding the true number of coins. If I did, I would have realized to not dig them in descending block order. The reason I was digging so slowly was because that was the speed I was selling them at on Poloniex. To not risk losing the coins, I did not have a clamcoin wallet set up and I did not want to send more coins than necessary to Poloniex. So there was no need to dig them up faster. The only reason I'm digging them up faster now is to try to remove some uncertainty.

Hi curious! 

First and most importantly congratulations on your clam windfall.  I'm jealous, no lie.  I'm impressed you kept all your faucet milking addies funded long enough to catch the clams!

I do have a question, if you didn't have a clamcoin wallet how did you dig your clams?  I had figured you already had your gazillion coins in your wallet already.

Unlike others I think you've played it pretty well.  I think many who were confronted with such a windfall would have just driven price down with massive selling, especially once dooglus figured out what was going on.

Also, I'm surprised no one has invited you to Dooglus's Just Dice.  If you are ever lonely or bored show up there with 100 clams and "rain" them out to the gamblers in chat.  They will go apeshit and claim you are the greatest.  Too bad Klye's gone, you could be immortalized like so many other high rollers there by his "ART".  (Klye's art is NSFW.)

Congratulations again!

Soo.. the digger is curious... SuperClams alt is creativecuriosity with its sig advertising a well known dice casino scam...

WHAT A FUCKLOAD OF COINCIDENCES !

Should we toss creativex into the ring !?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/creativex-36667

HippieDick makes Gleb look like the genius offspring of Sherlock Holmes and Albert Einstein
legendary
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I wasn't thinking too much about hiding the true number of coins. If I did, I would have realized to not dig them in descending block order. The reason I was digging so slowly was because that was the speed I was selling them at on Poloniex. To not risk losing the coins, I did not have a clamcoin wallet set up and I did not want to send more coins than necessary to Poloniex. So there was no need to dig them up faster. The only reason I'm digging them up faster now is to try to remove some uncertainty.

Hi curious! 

First and most importantly congratulations on your clam windfall.  I'm jealous, no lie.  I'm impressed you kept all your faucet milking addies funded long enough to catch the clams!

I do have a question, if you didn't have a clamcoin wallet how did you dig your clams?  I had figured you already had your gazillion coins in your wallet already.

Unlike others I think you've played it pretty well.  I think many who were confronted with such a windfall would have just driven price down with massive selling, especially once dooglus figured out what was going on.

Also, I'm surprised no one has invited you to Dooglus's Just Dice.  If you are ever lonely or bored show up there with 100 clams and "rain" them out to the gamblers in chat.  They will go apeshit and claim you are the greatest.  Too bad Klye's gone, you could be immortalized like so many other high rollers there by his "ART".  (Klye's art is NSFW.)

Congratulations again!

Soo.. the digger is curious... SuperClams alt is creativecuriosity with its sig advertising a well known dice casino scam...

WHAT A FUCKLOAD OF COINCIDENCES !

Should we toss creativex into the ring !?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/creativex-36667
wry
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I wasn't thinking too much about hiding the true number of coins. If I did, I would have realized to not dig them in descending block order. The reason I was digging so slowly was because that was the speed I was selling them at on Poloniex. To not risk losing the coins, I did not have a clamcoin wallet set up and I did not want to send more coins than necessary to Poloniex. So there was no need to dig them up faster. The only reason I'm digging them up faster now is to try to remove some uncertainty.

Hi curious!  

First and most importantly congratulations on your clam windfall.  I'm jealous, no lie.  I'm impressed you kept all your faucet milking addies funded long enough to catch the clams!

I do have a question, if you didn't have a clamcoin wallet how did you dig your clams?  I had figured you already had your gazillion coins in your wallet already.

Unlike others I think you've played it pretty well.  I think many who were confronted with such a windfall would have just driven price down with massive selling, especially once dooglus figured out what was going on.

Also, I'm surprised no one has invited you to Dooglus's Just Dice.  If you are ever lonely or bored show up there with 100 clams and "rain" them out to the gamblers in chat.  They will go apeshit and claim you are the greatest.  Too bad Klye's gone, you could be immortalized like so many other high rollers there by his "ART".  (Klye's art is NSFW.)

Congratulations again!
legendary
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I was implying that your/Dooglus' story about "the digger" sounds just as made up as Polo's. lol

I don't have a story about "the digger". Digging is happening, provably so. I pointed it out.

If I/we were to clone the original CLAM client and move the snapshot back 1 year, how many coins will you, I mean Dooglus, I mean BayAreaCoins lose ?

Ignoring the fact that if you were to make a clone of CLAM not a single fuck would be given, and not a single CLAM lost, if the snapshot had happened in May 2013 instead of in May 2014, that would have been about a month before Just-Dice first launched. I would probably have had something like 5 funded addresses instead of the ~30 I had in May 2014. So I would lose 25*4.6 = 115 CLAMs.

Are you suggesting that Creative, BAC, and I are all the same person? Do you know how silly that makes you look?

Who is Creative ? (slip up on the dev's alt name ??)

Who is who and their socks may one day be determined.. Regardless.. you guys are definitely putting on a show.

You and 42dice both like to run gambling sites and.. you have both like to play with posts and/or PM so as to cause confusion or be misleading.

Coincidence ?

update..

Is SuperClams creativecuriosity ?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/creativecuriosity-210646

BayAreaCoins seems to think so .. LOL
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Are you suggesting that Creative, BAC, and I are all the same person? Do you know how silly that makes you look?

HippieDick, aka A Man's Tot, doesn't realize how he looks. His view of himself comes from the mirror he holds in front of himself admiringly as he types.  The other hand is busy in his lap.  With both hands busy, his posts are voice-activated.  When reading HIppieDick's posts, imagine the sound of Rush Limbaugh's voice modulated by Donald Trump's intellect.  HippieDick is the head "birther" of the alt-coin scene.
legendary
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I was implying that your/Dooglus' story about "the digger" sounds just as made up as Polo's. lol

I don't have a story about "the digger". Digging is happening, provably so. I pointed it out.

If I/we were to clone the original CLAM client and move the snapshot back 1 year, how many coins will you, I mean Dooglus, I mean BayAreaCoins lose ?

Ignoring the fact that if you were to make a clone of CLAM not a single fuck would be given, and not a single CLAM lost, if the snapshot had happened in May 2013 instead of in May 2014, that would have been about a month before Just-Dice first launched. I would probably have had something like 5 funded addresses instead of the ~30 I had in May 2014. So I would lose 25*4.6 = 115 CLAMs.

Are you suggesting that Creative, BAC, and I are all the same person? Do you know how silly that makes you look?

Who is Creative ? (slip up on the dev's alt name ??)

Who is who and their socks may one day be determined.. Regardless.. you guys are definitely putting on a show.

You and 42dice both like to run gambling sites and.. you have both like to play with posts and/or PM so as to cause confusion or be misleading.

Coincidence ?
legendary
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That's my point. Anyone with a nugget of trading smarts could have squeezed much more money out of the community over time than the digger has. Ergo, malicious intent.

You're so smart. Good for you. Not everyone has trading smarts like you to know how to increase the money supply by 50% without dropping the price. But awesome that you do. If you ever get the chance, you can manipulate the market better.

Be happy that I did not manipulate the market. Would you have preferred that I pumped and dumped the coin? And made more money from this? Jeez...

^ Its' probably just some crappy kid in his mom's basement that doesn't know fcksh**T about markets.

Give them a break.. crypto is the wild west ..  can't handle the heat get outta the kitchen  

my .02 crypto
legendary
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I have searched this thread, the clams website, the clams github, and the internet for a list of the Bitcoin, Litecoin and Dogecoin addresses whose snapshots were used in the clams distribution without success. Is there a list of those distribution addresses available?

I also searched the early blocks in the block explorer, but couldn't find any Bitcoin, Litecoin or Dogecoin addresses. Where are those addresses in the clams blockchain.

+ fucking 1 Grin

The "digger" has it. Roll Eyes
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I have searched this thread, the clams website, the clams github, and the internet for a list of the Bitcoin, Litecoin and Dogecoin addresses whose snapshots were used in the clams distribution without success. Is there a list of those distribution addresses available?

I also searched the early blocks in the block explorer, but couldn't find any Bitcoin, Litecoin or Dogecoin addresses. Where are those addresses in the clams blockchain?
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The CLAM coin looks very interesting  Smiley. The price "looks" interesting too but there's too much sell pressure and from what I can read its a bit far from done.
Hope all the luck!

Cheers,
-HolyPizza
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I keep hearing this argument on all PoS coins forums when the price keeps tanking, for whatever reason. We should welcome this price decrase, cause we ll snatch cheap coins and when the price goes back up later, we ll be able to stake, sell them and make money. Yeah.....well.....there s just one small problem. Crypto s not growing that fast as your theory suggests.




The price of alts are tanking across the board, its not unique to PoS. Alts are highly speculative.. if/when money starts flowing back, certain altcoins may outperform others.

5k is a nice amount.. i hope the buyers are happily staking their CLAMs. Someone sent 1000 to smooth's 0% staking pool today https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/no-nonsense-clam-staking-pool-1200703 ..  maybe a few of those CLAMs were once yours  Tongue

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That's my point. Anyone with a nugget of trading smarts could have squeezed much more money out of the community over time than the digger has. Ergo, malicious intent.

You're so smart. Good for you. Not everyone has trading smarts like you to know how to increase the money supply by 50% without dropping the price. But awesome that you do. If you ever get the chance, you can manipulate the market better.

Be happy that I did not manipulate the market. Would you have preferred that I pumped and dumped the coin? And made more money from this? Jeez...

everyone knows you just talk bs about why u come out and dig up all over few days
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125k clam on polo at 0.0045 btc/clam, kinda scares me when I see that most of the clams is owned by 1 person :/ , would much prefer doogcoin xD

How much clams were digged by the whale digger already? like 300k? so still 200k+ to go?

https://i.imgur.com/6c4exHZ.png
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[snip]

I can try to convince you of the timescales. At 2015-11-13 22:51:23 the digger dug the following addresses: [x9NXaGSz] [xA9338mM] [xPWEDmTS] [xEZKQHEU] [xPosuwLa] [xNNwmVoL] [xXL7bZ5s], all of which were funded in block 5763. Click each link and check which block the addresses were funded in, and which block they were emptied in. Before that he was working on block 5764, and so on back up to the newest distribution block. If you were to dig from block 9999 back to block 5764, you would have dug 38.32% of all the distribution CLAMs. Since the whale digger's CLAMs are uniformly distributed through the initial distribution we can say with pretty good certainty that he is around 38% of the way through digging the wallet he's currently working on.

[snip]

How do you know the whale digger dug those particular addresses, and is there a way to find which Bitcoin, Litecoin or Dogecoin addresses correspond to those clam addresses?

Is there a way to get a list of all the addresses this particular whale digger has already claimed his clams from?

Is there a way to get a list of all the addresses this particular whale digger can potentially claim clams from in the future?
hero member
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https://bit-exo.com/?ref=gamblingbad
That's my point. Anyone with a nugget of trading smarts could have squeezed much more money out of the community over time than the digger has. Ergo, malicious intent.

You're so smart. Good for you. Not everyone has trading smarts like you to know how to increase the money supply by 50% without dropping the price. But awesome that you do. If you ever get the chance, you can manipulate the market better.

Be happy that I did not manipulate the market. Would you have preferred that I pumped and dumped the coin? And made more money from this? Jeez...

That not why u come here to manipulate market higher?
legendary
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Due to the nature of new technology and what we've seen with cryptocurrencies - if you can't handle the price swings, you shouldn't be in it; period.

Stop whining like little bitches.

Just my opinion.



You are prob quite the bitch if your coin of choice drops 90%. Just saying.

It is down 90% from where it was during a very brief pump right before the revelation of the 'whale digger'. I find the timing of that  pump a bit suspicious, but regardless, that's not at all what most people have paid for their CLAMS. For most of the past year it traded around half that price so it is down 80% not 90%. Still a lot though.
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