[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 239.

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Quote from: dooglus on November 17, 2015, 09:49:10 PM

I've been asked to make my current thoughts clear.

I don't plan on making any kind of a new coin at the moment. SuperCLAM has stepped up and proposed a polling system (that I don't yet fully understand), and so I am willing to see how that pans out. If we as a community can use the forthcoming polling system to make changes that we want then I don't see the need for a new coin.

I'm not committing to never making a new coin, but I don't think it's likely that I will make one. CLAM is niche enough as it is without further splitting the community into two pieces.

Thanks ! I was a little bit worried about that new coin project (I don't think it would be good).

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Quote from: dooglus on November 17, 2015, 09:49:10 PM

I've been asked to make my current thoughts clear.
I don't plan on making any kind of a new coin at the moment. SuperCLAM has stepped up and proposed a polling system (that I don't yet fully understand), and so I am willing to see how that pans out. If we as a community can use the forthcoming polling system to make changes that we want then I don't see the need for a new coin.
I'm not committing to never making a new coin, but I don't think it's likely that I will make one. CLAM is niche enough as it is without further splitting the community into two pieces.

We will get the specifics hammered out.

As I see it, the important part is that the system is fair, provable and reflects the desires of stakeholders.

The first vote should be simplified, so that we can put this current issue to rest and move forward.

But, I think CLAM would be well served if the system as a whole was implemented such that anyone could create and promote a petition for change.
It breaks my heart every time I see contributors to projects with great ideas and working code rebuked by the project's maintainers.
It becomes much more difficult for a maintainer to rebuke a proposal when it comes with the provable support of the network.

I would expect that if the entire issue around Hearn's Lighthouse(?name) had simply been dealt with, much of the animosity in the BTC project could have been avoided.
This also applies to other BIPs and changes which have languished in the BTC project.

It is difficult for a project to move forward without an efficient means to poll the network about support.
Forums, reddit and trollboxes are not suited to polling support - they simply supply little useful data.

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Quote from: dooglus on November 17, 2015, 09:49:10 PM

I've been asked to make my current thoughts clear.

I don't plan on making any kind of a new coin at the moment. SuperCLAM has stepped up and proposed a polling system (that I don't yet fully understand), and so I am willing to see how that pans out. If we as a community can use the forthcoming polling system to make changes that we want then I don't see the need for a new coin.

I'm not committing to never making a new coin, but I don't think it's likely that I will make one. CLAM is niche enough as it is without further splitting the community into two pieces.

Thanks for making that clear, it will be easy to make a decision now.

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I've been asked to make my current thoughts clear.

I don't plan on making any kind of a new coin at the moment. SuperCLAM has stepped up and proposed a polling system (that I don't yet fully understand), and so I am willing to see how that pans out. If we as a community can use the forthcoming polling system to make changes that we want then I don't see the need for a new coin.

I'm not committing to never making a new coin, but I don't think it's likely that I will make one. CLAM is niche enough as it is without further splitting the community into two pieces.

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Quote from: romjpn on November 17, 2015, 09:29:16 PM

Don't forget guys, if we take in account the total supply of CLAM, it jumps up to the 6th place in term of marketcap Cheesy

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http://bravenewcoin.com/price/price-index/

Shhhhh

romjpn

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Don't forget guys, if we take in account the total supply of CLAM, it jumps up to the 6th place in term of marketcap Cheesy

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http://bravenewcoin.com/price/price-index/

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my inside sources say, there isnt going to be another coin.

long live CLAM

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Quote from: SuperClam on November 16, 2015, 12:15:32 AM

We are announcing the topic of the first of these petitions: the process and continuation of "digging" distribution CLAM.
In the coming days, we will announce the timing, choices and assist users in properly submitting "votes" using the process.

The first petition will likely be simplified - but, we see this as an enduring way forward with governance.

This process will allow the entire community to ascertain what petitions have majority support among stakeholders (and is hence likely to succeed given completed code).
The community can then proceed informed and collaborate on getting the code ready to submit to the community.

We invite the community to help us hone the list of choices prior to the start of the voting on this first petition.

Long Live The Great CLAM!

OK. I misread this and thought you were looking for suggestions in general, so right now discussion should be focussed on choices for the vote on "the process and continuation of "digging" distribution CLAM"...a decision which might make a fork redundant. Good.

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Re: 90% of recent posts

The decision to institute a "petition"/"voting" process was a solution worked out and agreed to by xploited, dooglus, and creativecuriosity.

I would assume, certainly for the time being, that means all the talk of a forked coin is irrelevant.
Sorry if that wasn't clear from my previous posts.

The specific details concerning the petition process and the first petition will be worked out soon and announced.

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Well, all I see on the last few pages here is griping and poking at each other. In any case, I'm glad that the panic seems to have subsided. If there are going to be serious changes to CLAM, they definitely need to be made in the environment of calm, rational discussion, not as reactions to someone selling on the marketplace. I suppose that after the poking at each other subsides, rational discussion could begin again here.

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I am actually supporting what I see is a positive solution i.e. future snapshot (if coin needs to be forked at all), or more subtle changes...anything to avoid the kamikaze clownery that was intitally suggested.

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I see, so JustdiceCoin has nothing to do with the development of CLAM coin, so GTFO and let's move forward with CLAM.

"Why do you think the work done on CLAM would be jeopardized at all?" Look son, I don't have time to explain the bleeding obvious to you....market sentiment and PR and inextricably linked.

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Quote from: danonthehill on November 17, 2015, 07:11:47 PM

One thing to consider is that CLAM is a margin traded coin and it's unlikely a new token would be unless it takes the form of CLAM 2.0 serving as a replacement of CLAM via snapshot, swap or burn.

Also, any new coin which does not take this form and departs from the CLAM brand, will need new branding and major active marketting and development, perhaps to a greater degree than CLAM because of it's smaller distribution. Why would anyone jeopardize all the great work already done? It's ludicrous and would be self-destructive...some of these ideas that were "hashed out" should just be written off as a PR blunder.

Right, but anyone can start a new coin for any reason, and that includes dooglus. If he wants to fork CLAMs and accept it on JD, does that really disrupt CLAM in a significant way? It's up to him or whoever else forks a new coin to brand, market and develop it. Why do you think the work done on CLAM would be jeopardized at all?

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One thing to consider is that CLAM is a margin traded coin and it's unlikely a new token would be unless it takes the form of CLAM 2.0 serving as a replacement of CLAM via snapshot, swap or burn.

Also, any new coin which does not take this form and departs from the CLAM brand, will need new branding and major active marketing and development, perhaps to a greater degree than CLAM because of it's smaller distribution. Why would anyone jeopardize all the great work already done? It's ludicrous and would be self-destructive...some of these ideas that were "hashed out" should just be written off as a PR blunder.

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Quote from: danonthehill on November 17, 2015, 06:47:51 PM

Quote from: DrkLvr_ on November 17, 2015, 06:30:39 PM

Quote from: danonthehill on November 17, 2015, 06:07:30 PM

BTW price has not recovered from last dump...not because of fear future dumps from digger, but because fear and uncertainty sourounding the future development of CLAM, which was brought into question with the notion of creating a competing coin, to be distributed to only some current holders of CLAM and to no new purchasers of CLAM.

That and the fact market is being suppressed i.e. that 25K sell wall @0.004 Do you really think that guy's intention is to sell or to buy more at a cheaper price? You guys are being played like a violin.

Pure speculation on your part. This might be true, or it might not. Or it might be partially true. No one really knows.. the price has been down to these levels even before any talk of another coin.

You also don't know what the seller's intentions are unless you're the seller. Maybe he wouldn't mind selling at those levels. Maybe it's the digger putting part of his stash on the ask instead of dumping. Either way, i don't really see how anyone is being played.. unless you're talking about people who are easily manipulated into panic buying or selling.. but i think most of the cryptoheads are immune to this by now.

Well, the dominant troll box narrative is not concerning the digger, but the uncertainy regarding the value of CLAM because of a competing token based on a past snapshot. This contradicts the digger narrative perpetuated and used to justify contentious forks here. Of course, it's very easy to run with the "perhaps it's the digger" Keyser Soze narrative.

When you say dominant, do you mean when you were last in the troll box? Tongue

There are a few reasons why the price is so low.. digger and the uncertainty for sure being the main ones.. but what's the alternative? What else can you do when issues come up except hash things out and try to come up with a solution (even if the solution might be to do nothing in the end)

"In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity" - Albert Einstein

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Quote from: DrkLvr_ on November 17, 2015, 06:30:39 PM

Quote from: danonthehill on November 17, 2015, 06:07:30 PM

BTW price has not recovered from last dump...not because of fear future dumps from digger, but because fear and uncertainty sourounding the future development of CLAM, which was brought into question with the notion of creating a competing coin, to be distributed to only some current holders of CLAM and to no new purchasers of CLAM.

That and the fact market is being suppressed i.e. that 25K sell wall @0.004 Do you really think that guy's intention is to sell or to buy more at a cheaper price? You guys are being played like a violin.

Pure speculation on your part. This might be true, or it might not. Or it might be partially true. No one really knows.. the price has been down to these levels even before any talk of another coin.

You also don't know what the seller's intentions are unless you're the seller. Maybe he wouldn't mind selling at those levels. Maybe it's the digger putting part of his stash on the ask instead of dumping. Either way, i don't really see how anyone is being played.. unless you're talking about people who are easily manipulated into panic buying or selling.. but i think most of the cryptoheads are immune to this by now.

Well, the dominant troll box narrative is not concerning the digger, but the uncertainy regarding the value of CLAM because of a competing token based on a past snapshot. This contradicts the digger narrative perpetuated and used to justify contentious forks here. Of course, it's very easy to run with the "perhaps it's the digger" Keyser Soze narrative.

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Quote from: doothewop on November 17, 2015, 06:36:18 PM

Quote from: DrkLvr_ on November 17, 2015, 06:30:39 PM

but i think most of the cryptoheads are immune to this by now.

Tell me, what was the expression on your face as you typed this line?

There was a slight smirk i won't lie. But still, out of 100 people how many will panic sell just because of a big sell order? A few maybe. The statement stands.

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Quote from: doothewop on November 17, 2015, 06:36:18 PM

Quote from: DrkLvr_ on November 17, 2015, 06:30:39 PM

but i think most of the cryptoheads are immune to this by now.

Tell me, what was the expression on your face as you typed this line?

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Quote from: DrkLvr_ on November 17, 2015, 06:30:39 PM

but i think most of the cryptoheads are immune to this by now.

Tell me, what was the expression on your face as you typed this line?

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Quote from: danonthehill on November 17, 2015, 06:07:30 PM

BTW price has not recovered from last dump...not because of fear future dumps from digger, but because fear and uncertainty sourounding the future development of CLAM, which was brought into question with the notion of creating a competing coin, to be distributed to only some current holders of CLAM and to no new purchasers of CLAM.

That and the fact market is being suppressed i.e. that 25K sell wall @0.004 Do you really think that guy's intention is to sell or to buy more at a cheaper price? You guys are being played like a violin.

Pure speculation on your part. This might be true, or it might not. Or it might be partially true. No one really knows.. the price has been down to these levels even before any talk of another coin.

You also don't know what the seller's intentions are unless you're the seller. Maybe he wouldn't mind selling at those levels. Maybe it's the digger putting part of his stash on the ask instead of dumping. Either way, i don't really see how anyone is being played.. unless you're talking about people who are easily manipulated into panic buying or selling.. but i think most of the cryptoheads are immune to this by now.

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