Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 259. (Read 1151252 times)

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Mr. Steiner aka. BayAreaCoins, is a narcisistic sociopath who should not be trusted and /or taken seriously.

Please read his trust ratings and decide for yourself.

This coin, like every other shitclone these cryptsy/polo/early adopter/insiders have put out, is a scam and no different that the others.

First the reward reduction(s), then the wallet diggers... and now we have this epic struggle between Dooglus and BayAreaCoins, that will further FUD/exploit the greedy noobs into trading their wealth for cryptofiat.

His style is very combative but underneath it he obviously shows great passion for the topic, and we need passionate people, they make the world go'round I just wish BAC and some of the other participants would keep it civil for fear of this spinning out of control and getting locked down. This has obviously become personal too, which does not add anything good to the topic.

BAC I have a question for you: do you see a problem with a large exchange, for example coinbase, deciding to dig all of their constituents' wallets for clams, and gaining all the riches from them? (not all exchanges will be noble like Poloniex, as the current digger is proving). If you do see a problem with that, then advocating not changing anything and staying the course is not compatible. Because I think it is a huge problem that goes against the grain of "fair distribution" that was the very intent of this coin. As Doog put it, it would be technically not feasible to somehow "blacklist" exchanges from perpetrating such offense, so we need another solution. But I do think it is worth pursuing a solution as long as it is compatible with the core principles of the coin.

I think it is very important to realize that changing the rules along the way is not necessarily compromising the "foundation", so long as it is done for the right reasons, ie as I have stated before, as long as we don't change rules with the purpose of preserving the monetary value of the coin. If we do it to preserve the "fair distribution", then it's ok. Understand, it is not always possible for founders to foresee all possible contingencies from the very beginning. That is why the US constitution had 27 amendments. Did the amendments compromise the constitution? No, because they were enacted in the spirit of preserving and BUILDING upon the the Constitution and what it was trying to accomplish. We have an opportunity now to build upon and improve this coin.

If you disagree, please reason with me. Lets resolve this with logic and not emotions.

Wow, you really come off like a cunt in every single post. Impressive amount of Ass-burgers for someone who supposedly isn't a homeless crackhead. Completely unable to meet questions or opinions without being a douche is almost impressive.

I'd prefer this too. I'm not an active member of the clam community, but I have a lot of physically sealed btc cold wallets that additionally inherit clams.

Since I don't plan on cashing out any btc and don't want to move those cold wallet funds because of taxation and verification reasons, stopping the digging would cost me a signficant amount of additional profit through clams. that would suck  

however, if you're going to change some of the clam fundamentals nonetheless, you should do it as quick as possible. the ecosystem, even if still small, will need time to adapt.

Obviously if change is to happen let it happen to majority vote.

I'm not a current holder of CLAM because I'm not a smuck trading... does this mean I lose my right to vote because I made good trades?

This isn't a democracy as Deb was so cunty to point out to me. 

I don't think a vote should be held for core things such as digging that set CLAM truly aside from the rest of the crowd.

Voting over the internet with account harvesters like Zolace is just asking for it... You can already see the shills come out.


You obviously are... you have been since you started losing your ass on all your stupid trades.  I've sat here and watched it with my two beety little eyes.  It's at the top of your message board in Just-Dice as well even. 

It is hurting CLAM having this conversation over and over.  Nothing brings investor faith like shaking the whole foundation of something to the core... *sarcasm*  You can literally see the books dry up and it isn't all because of the digger.   



Then do something to help... put your money where your mouth is powder puff. 

Dox the digger because I find it WAY hard to believe that you can't... I've seen you drop too many doxxes directly or indirectly. 

Rat4, Owsley and others.  (Recall you sending me Owsley's picture of his house when he was trolling you.)


If everyone was jumping off a bridge would you jump too?

Good lil sheeple! 


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Wrong.  I do not buy CLAM through Poloniex or any of the other exchanges.

The faucets are stocked with free Clamcoins earned from ClamChecker.com dig option #2, free Just-Dice rain and once in a blue moon a clammie or two from a 4.6 DIG.

I think I've bought to stock once.

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Actually I do.  The earned CLAMs go to either the exchange or the faucet... if it isn't profitable to sell at the time then they are staked.


You don't have to believe it, but I don't have any CLAMs.


Even if CLAM is exchanging 1 to 1 with Bitcoin... our Clamcoins earned through step #2 are free.  `We pay a flat .005 per fresh address dug for option #3.  High is better because we don't buy at low or high... just selling atm.


Thanks for telling me something about me that I don't know about me!

I do not buy CLAMs atm.  The only trading that is done with CLAM and I now days are sells.  I have no interest in buying into a centralized system with someone whom I believe is fucking up 6 ways from Sunday here lately...  I honestly believe that they are going to change CLAM in their "favor" regardless of what "we" say or think.

Dooglus has a fucked up view on trading and reality some times... like for example how he though the /offsite feature with a room full of degenerates would offset how much they'd invest with JD... 


*shrugs* not sure what to tell ya then.


Amen.


Without the CLAM distribution there would have been no JD.

Sorry you aren't going to vote on what made CLAM great... it's just not going to happen and there very obviously isn't consensus to change it.

I maybe interested in the halfing idea if the halfing also halfed the stakes... then when the digging was done, so where the stakes and the network spins on flat #.   


Clamcoin is centralized.  Dooglus has the throne and he will continue to push this agenda until he justifies it in his head to push it through.  I've been watching this person for years at this point and I'm sure of it.

He showed this week that he is prepared to abuse his power by changing someones password on Just-Dice and not allowing them to do what they want with their account... that's just a taste of what is to come I believe.  Pretty disgusting .


No... just no... 

Seriously you need to go get help for your huffing.  I can tell you huff gas or paint even through the computer. *starts singing and snapping "Do you believe in magic?"*

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I'm really happy I'm not the only one that is against this insane rule change proposals. *phew*

I would vote to leave Clam as is with no change.

I would also say the coin should stay as it is, i feel changing the claim part of the coin would fundamentally change what CLAM is all about and how it came to existance. Everyone who got into CLAM knew very well what they signed into, it was well known that the possibility of someone digging up a lot of CLAM exists and it did not stop them from buying in.
Im pretty sure many of the investors want to get the staking to stop so the price would go up and they could exit.

I would vote to leave Clam as it is with no changes.

after someone receives clams into qt wallet, how many confirms does it take before those clams may be used?

What has the chart to do with jd? Clam stake and thats what makes most of the profit which brings investors/holders.
Jd spreaded the voice about clam , a known coin is usually an "succesfull" coin.

Point of information. The implementation of this peer-to-peer networked cryptocurrency dictates that it be consensus-driven; the only practicable  leadership in this context is “thought leadership”.


Point of information. The notion of a plebiscite is irrelevant to a peer-to-peer networked cryptocurrency; there is no central authority to enforce the result.

One insight that I've had confirmed by this discussion: the functioning of any altcoin community is seriously hampered by the absence of a reliable mirror.

Cheers

Graham

The result of a vote doesn't necessarily bring about the result that's in the majority's best interest.

Without JD CLAM will be exactly these -  just another shitcoin. Look at the chart. http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/clams/

Let's vote!

Let the community decide, set up the vote!  - I see nothing in dooglas' posts that suggests he favors one set of rules over another, so why so much shouting I'm not sure.

A question though: what do the developers think about doog's idea? This may have been mentioned but i don't see it. Do they have a strong preference for the proposed change over leaving it as it is? Would either result in a vote change their commitment to the coin?

I'm pretty against the idea of making any changes to how the coin works. Clam is far from dying those who are saying it are just butthurt the price dumped (why did these people hold when it was announced early someone was digging and dumping endlessly on polo if the price is what mattered to them?). The truth is with the price being lower more people are playing with clam either on JD or not. You can easily see this with all the new names on JD making larger than average bets. If you guys don't like the way clam is working jump ship and move to another shitcoin don't try to manipulate the core rules to the coin just to please some bagholders

Good to see you back with the comedy.

Please Let's Vote Now!

Every time I open clam wallet get error message says clam wallet need to close? win xp 32. 

So would you prefer not to have the current holders be allowed to vote for what they want?

To be clear, I'm not trying to push any particular change to the rules. I have lots of people asking me to stop CLAM dying, and lots of others saying to leave it alone. You can't please all the people, but you can let the community as a whole vote and implement the most popular choice. CLAM is a community coin after all, so that seems like the fairest way to do things.

If you are against the idea of having the most popular idea be implemented, why is that?

I think CLAM has a bright future if it doesn't get fucked along the way by people and their emotions in their trades.  I just think changing the core of CLAM in order to protect current holders against the main thing that made CLAM special is silly and greedy.


I don't give a fuck about CLAM price.  I buy Clamcoins at a flat rate regardless of shitcoin markets.

I sold all my CLAM a while ago.  We sell when it is profitable, stake when it isn't and try to keep the faucets full for the fauceters.


Not sure what owning faucets and manipulating prices have to do with each other.

My prices are static and have nothing to do with market price.

I also own & moderate:  www.Clamcoin.org ,  www.ClamcoinFaucets.com ,  www.FreeClam.com , www.FreeClamcoin.com ,  www.ClamChecker.com ,  Mod on /r/Clamcoin ,  Mod on /r/ClamClient , Mod on IRC @Clamcoin


I give close to no fucks about CLAM going up or down as indicated above.  CLAM up is better than CLAM down obviously.


I'd say there is a reasonable chance uvwvj really does know the digger or is assisting.

I'm sure the forum he mods has a FUCK ton of Clamcoins yet to dig I'd bet.