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Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 260. (Read 1151252 times)

legendary
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The offensive language and behavior in the thread has gotten out of hand, however.

Apologize for the use of offensive language. It is just my normal style of writing and was not intended to offend anyone, but now that I have been asked to avoid it on this thread I will abide.


The Dude abides.
hero member
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I am still digging bitches working dakly to ruin the clams

Still trolling as well, I see Grin

I would have thought after months, or even years, you would have given up.

Commitment.  I like it.
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I am still digging bitches working dakly to ruin the clams
hero member
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The offensive language and behavior in the thread has gotten out of hand, however.
Apologize for the use of offensive language. It is just my normal style of writing and was not intended to offend anyone, but now that I have been asked to avoid it on this thread I will abide.

I don't think you were a particularly egregious offender Tongue

Just trying to get the tone and focus of the thread back on to a productive track - as opposed to personal attacks.
legendary
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The offensive language and behavior in the thread has gotten out of hand, however.

Apologize for the use of offensive language. It is just my normal style of writing and was not intended to offend anyone, but now that I have been asked to avoid it on this thread I will abide.
sr. member
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Is there anyone who thinks we should leave digging just as it is now even if the majority of CLAM holders want it to be changed?


Hi dooglus, in my opinion the proposal i put forth on the previous page for a halving in May 2016 (with subsequent halvings twice the number of years after the previous one) was the simplest and least drastic change of all options so far - and it hasn't had even a single person saying they thought it was a good idea.

Maybe i'm wrong, but at this point it looks to me like the majority of CLAM holders want things to stay exactly as they are (as long as there are no immediate security concerns)

I like your proposal a lot. I proposed something similar about a month ago (only with 1.5 year halvings starting soon and no doubling of the interval years) but I think yours is better because the proposed fork is 6 months into the future, giving anyone who currently would like to dig their clams plenty of time, and giving plenty of time for developing and testing the change. I like the doubling of the halving intervals a lot as well, as the value won't go down very quickly.
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I've remained mostly silent recently because I did not want to overly influence the communities discussion with my own personal opinions.
Respectfully, there's a fine line between wanting to "not overly influence" and just a lack of leadership. You've been asked by a few people to clarify your proposal and couldn't even be bothered to acknowledge let alone respond.

Last I checked, the rules of this network lends it to being consensus driven; not "leadership" driven.
"Leadership" would only be worth listening to if it came attached to a pull-request or release of the client.
At which point, users either update - or not.

That is how this ship sails.
And how it should sail.




My larger proposal isn't fully fleshed out and ready to be implemented.
Questions concerning them asked by others involved with the project have been mostly answered over personal channels.

Didn't think in-depth discussion of the parameters was helpful considering that the parameters will almost certainly change.
If you have a specific question, I would be happy to answer it to the best of my ability.


An idealistic notion.. but a ship with no one at the helm sinks.


 
sr. member
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I like the clowns and the little dogs
With halving people can still dig and clam can still state "perhaps you own some already".

Yeah, I like the halving idea, if anything.
newbie
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my 2 cents; in cryptoland history there have been many hacks/scandals/defunkt sites with many account holders and the crypto community being screwed. More whale diggers with the data from those hacked/scandal/defunkt sites might turn up in the future screwing the crypto community over a second time. As long as the risk remains that more whale diggers might turn up in the future, more investors will leave clam than new investors join. I say let's have a vote and i vote for the halving option so current investors don't have to be afraid their investment melts like snow in the sun any time a new whale digger turns up. With halving people can still dig and clam can still state "perhaps you own some already".
   
hero member
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I've remained mostly silent recently because I did not want to overly influence the communities discussion with my own personal opinions.
Respectfully, there's a fine line between wanting to "not overly influence" and just a lack of leadership. You've been asked by a few people to clarify your proposal and couldn't even be bothered to acknowledge let alone respond.

Last I checked, the rules of this network lends it to being consensus driven; not "leadership" driven.
"Leadership" would only be worth listening to if it came attached to a pull-request or release of the client.
At which point, users either update - or not.

That is how this ship sails.
And how it should sail.



My larger proposal isn't fully fleshed out and ready to be implemented.
Questions concerning them asked by others involved with the project have been mostly answered over personal channels.

Didn't think in-depth discussion of the parameters was helpful considering that the parameters will almost certainly change.
If you have a specific question, I would be happy to answer it to the best of my ability.
hero member
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I've remained mostly silent recently because I did not want to overly influence the communities discussion with my own personal opinions.



Respectfully, there's a fine line between wanting to "not overly influence" and just a lack of leadership. You've been asked by a few people to clarify your proposal and couldn't even be bothered to acknowledge let alone respond.
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I miss dooglus
can't we all just get along-rodney king



after being beaten by batons
hero member
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I've remained mostly silent recently because I did not want to overly influence the communities discussion with my own personal opinions.



The offensive language and behavior in the thread has gotten out of hand, however.

Until things settle down, posts which are off-topic, not helpful, contain ad hominem attacks or offensive language will be deleted.


This thread is intended to be a forum for deliberative discussion; that can't take place with the type of posting that has been occurring recently.
hero member
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By the way, on the topic of Doog... I don't really want to get involved between the spat with BAC but I'd like to point out that first of all, without Doog CLAM wouldn't be where it is today, it probably would have remained confined to obscurity without JD. He's done this community a service and I think BAC you yourself have profited greatly owing to this, and I believe a bit of respect or at least gratefulness is in order.
Also, it was Doog who pointed out the digger to the community in the first place if I remember correctly. We might have found out eventually anyways, but how long it would have taken for someone to realize this and make it public, we can only guess. I see no indication that Doog profited from his knowledge, ie he could have dumped a lot of clams before making this info public and panic ensuing. That in itself I think speaks volumes about his credibility.
Actions speak louder than words.


100% agreed. All i've seen from BayAreaShitcoins is that he's a loud-mouthed dramatic narcissist who operates a shitty looking CLAM faucet, and a shitty looking CLAM digging site. I'd trade a dozen BayAreaShitcoins for another 0.5 doogs any day.

Um... thx for evening having BayAreaShitcoins to trade Smiley.

Sorry scamming the community out of millions of Clamcoins isn't going as good as you thought it would DrkShill... you might be able to convince dooglus to do it anyways.  I'm reasonably sure it's going to happen eventual despite not having consensus... greedy greedy.  

Keep beating away at it DrkShill!

Taking the rest of the day off to dig through my shit.


DrkShill? Nice one Roll Eyes

The community has concerns regarding the current situation and I posted my suggestions for discussion. Nothing more.  If you read my last few posts in this thread you'd already know that.

Good.. take the rest of the day, week, month, year.. whatever.
legendary
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By the way, on the topic of Doog... I don't really want to get involved between the spat with BAC but I'd like to point out that first of all, without Doog CLAM wouldn't be where it is today, it probably would have remained confined to obscurity without JD. He's done this community a service and I think BAC you yourself have profited greatly owing to this, and I believe a bit of respect or at least gratefulness is in order.
Also, it was Doog who pointed out the digger to the community in the first place if I remember correctly. We might have found out eventually anyways, but how long it would have taken for someone to realize this and make it public, we can only guess. I see no indication that Doog profited from his knowledge, ie he could have dumped a lot of clams before making this info public and panic ensuing. That in itself I think speaks volumes about his credibility.
Actions speak louder than words.


100% agreed. All i've seen from BayAreaShitcoins is that he's a loud-mouthed dramatic narcissist who operates a shitty looking CLAM faucet, and a shitty looking CLAM digging site. I'd trade a dozen BayAreaShitcoins for another 0.5 doogs any day.

Um... thx for evening having BayAreaShitcoins to trade Smiley.

Sorry scamming the community out of millions of Clamcoins isn't going as good as you thought it would DrkShill... you might be able to convince dooglus to do it anyways.  I'm reasonably sure it's going to happen eventual despite not having consensus... greedy greedy.  

Keep beating away at it DrkShill!

Taking the rest of the day off to dig through my shit.
hero member
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By the way, on the topic of Doog... I don't really want to get involved between the spat with BAC but I'd like to point out that first of all, without Doog CLAM wouldn't be where it is today, it probably would have remained confined to obscurity without JD. He's done this community a service and I think BAC you yourself have profited greatly owing to this, and I believe a bit of respect or at least gratefulness is in order.
Also, it was Doog who pointed out the digger to the community in the first place if I remember correctly. We might have found out eventually anyways, but how long it would have taken for someone to realize this and make it public, we can only guess. I see no indication that Doog profited from his knowledge, ie he could have dumped a lot of clams before making this info public and panic ensuing. That in itself I think speaks volumes about his credibility.
Actions speak louder than words.


100% agreed. All i've seen from BayAreaShitcoins is that he's a loud-mouthed dramatic narcissist who operates a shitty looking CLAM faucet, and a shitty looking CLAM digging site. I'd trade a dozen BayAreaShitcoins for another 0.5 doogs any day.
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I'm strongly on the side of not making reactionary changes to the rules based on someone actually using CLAMS as they were intended.  IMO, reactionary changes like this will make CLAM very much unserious, borderline scammy.  I'd certainly sell off any holdings I have at the moment such news was announced.
I am strongly on the side of making a rule change. I do not characterize a potential change as reactionary. The open ended liability due to digging has been an unanswered problem for potential investors with CLAM since the beginning. The proposition to investors is and has been "hey, come check out our altcoin; if you invest your money, there is a chance the supply could suddenly increase by 1000% or more and dilute the shit out of whatever you invest!" That's unattractive. Any change that reduces or removes this liability makes the coin more attractive to investors. TSP threatening to sell off his holdings in response to a rule change that would shore up the value of those holding strikes me as less than genuine.
legendary
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I"ll bet all my CLAMs (I don't have any), that BAC comes back and says, "yeah, but CLAM has dropped 2/3 in price, so you owe me 3000".

I'm not saying that in the least bit.

Dooglus I want my 3,000 CLAMs back from me paying you off for giving me insider information to shake Rat4 with his dox (provided to me by dooglus) and purchase 30% of the Clamcoins prior to Just-Dice launch.  Please deposited to:

It was 1001 CLAMs. Here's the transaction:
  http://khashier.com/tx/e717d753d434552738710d08aeef32528db29300043658a0eb6f57cfc0ba9f58

And the 1001 CLAMs was a tip for staking your CLAMs for you before Just-Dice had launched. There was never any hint that it was "a payoff" or "protection money". I wouldn't have accepted it if there was any suggestion that it came with strings attached. Maybe I missed the "verbal agreement" or whatever. It seemed to me like you were just very happy with the return you were making from staking:

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23:57 Balance: 30009.7468575 CLAM
23:57 that's after I took off my 50% commission Smiley
23:57 also, http://privatepaste.com/[...]
23:57 is up to date
23:58 rofl that page was so big it made this shitty little Macbook pro have a stroke Cheesy
23:59 Go a head and take 1000 for your self too on top of your 50%
23:59 fucking awsome dude
23:59 doog*
--- Log closed Tue Nov 25 00:00:14 2014


--- Log opened Tue Nov 25 00:00:14 2014
00:03 yeah, every stake shown up as 2 lines: -5 then +6
00:04 you sure about the 1k?
00:04 100%
00:07 (sorry on the phone about [...])
00:07 (can prove this is me however if ever you need, but it is I)
00:08 I believe it's you
00:08 and thanks
00:08 (sorry got people here)
00:08 np sir
00:08 no worries
00:08 yeah, you staked 951 clams already
00:09 like over 3% of your total
00:10 Ya that is cray
[...]
00:38 I took 1001: http://[...]/tx/e717d753d434552738710d08aeef32528db29300043658a0eb6f57cfc0ba9f58 because that way I didn't
 have to make change
00:38  Jesus doog I said 1000! (lulz jk Cheesy) cool ty
00:38 heh
00:38 Not many people will thank you for taking a tip Cheesy bahahhaha
00:39 rofl but ty, I couldn't do what you are doing

Unfortunately I can't post logs about rat4's dox, because no such conversation ever happened between us.

xploited seems to think that creative found his name for you, but I wasn't party to that conversation.

I'm going to make a post in the Scam section and we can move this muggy conversation over there.

I'm going to search/think and see if I can find any further info on my end because my intentions are not to libel or extort you as state in the Just-Dice troll box.

This isn't the first time not logging IRC has bit me in the ass dealing with shady fucks in crypto.... *sigh*  

By the way, on the topic of Doog... I don't really want to get involved between the spat with BAC but I'd like to point out that first of all, without Doog CLAM wouldn't be where it is today, it probably would have remained confined to obscurity without JD. He's done this community a service and I think BAC you yourself have profited greatly owing to this, and I believe a bit of respect or at least gratefulness is in order.
Also, it was Doog who pointed out the digger to the community in the first place if I remember correctly. We might have found out eventually anyways, but how long it would have taken for someone to realize this and make it public, we can only guess. I see no indication that Doog profited from his knowledge, ie he could have dumped a lot of clams before making this info public and panic ensuing. That in itself I think speaks volumes about his credibility.
Actions speak louder than words.

Dooglus has done a lot.

He identified the person gaming the CLAM lottery to steal tens of thousands of CLAM, passed that information to the proper parties, opened Just-Dice, manipulated CLAM price, pointed out the digger (which Dooglus did sell CLAMS once identifying the digger and prior to his post) and now he's lobbying in favor of locking his casino in a firm grip of forever centralizing CLAM through ending digging.

I just want my tip back is all because obviously we aren't on the same page about what it was about.  Dooglus indian gifted KYLE, so of course the same will come in return.

And the 1001 CLAMs was a tip for staking your CLAMs for you before Just-Dice had launched. There was never any hint that it was "a payoff" or "protection money". I wouldn't have accepted it if there was any suggestion that it came with strings attached. Maybe I missed the "verbal agreement" or whatever. It seemed to me like you were just very happy with the return you were making from staking:

I'm pretty sure that's what every crooked politician and other folks say as well when the truth starts coming out  Roll Eyes
hero member
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Is there anyone who thinks we should leave digging just as it is now even if the majority of CLAM holders want it to be changed?


Hi dooglus, in my opinion the proposal i put forth on the previous page for a halving in May 2016 (with subsequent halvings twice the number of years after the previous one) was the simplest and least drastic change of all options so far - and it hasn't had even a single person saying they thought it was a good idea.

Maybe i'm wrong, but at this point it looks to me like the majority of CLAM holders want things to stay exactly as they are (as long as there are no immediate security concerns)
newbie
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By the way, on the topic of Doog... I don't really want to get involved between the spat with BAC but I'd like to point out that first of all, without Doog CLAM wouldn't be where it is today, it probably would have remained confined to obscurity without JD. He's done this community a service and I think BAC you yourself have profited greatly owing to this, and I believe a bit of respect or at least gratefulness is in order.
Also, it was Doog who pointed out the digger to the community in the first place if I remember correctly. We might have found out eventually anyways, but how long it would have taken for someone to realize this and make it public, we can only guess. I see no indication that Doog profited from his knowledge, ie he could have dumped a lot of clams before making this info public and panic ensuing. That in itself I think speaks volumes about his credibility.
Actions speak louder than words.
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