Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 261. (Read 1151252 times)
November 10, 2015, 11:34:03 AM
I'm strongly on the side of not making reactionary changes to the rules based on someone actually using CLAMS as they were intended. IMO, reactionary changes like this will make CLAM very much unserious, borderline scammy. I'd certainly sell off any holdings I have at the moment such news was announced.
November 10, 2015, 11:32:58 AM
Dooglus I want my 3,000 CLAMs back from me paying you off for giving me insider information to shake Rat4 with his dox (provided to me by dooglus) and purchase 30% of the Clamcoins prior to Just-Dice launch. Please deposited to:
It was 1001 CLAMs. Here's the transaction:
http://khashier.com/tx/e717d753d434552738710d08aeef32528db29300043658a0eb6f57cfc0ba9f58
And the 1001 CLAMs was a tip for staking your CLAMs for you before Just-Dice had launched. There was never any hint that it was "a payoff" or "protection money". I wouldn't have accepted it if there was any suggestion that it came with strings attached. Maybe I missed the "verbal agreement" or whatever. It seemed to me like you were just very happy with the return you were making from staking:
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23:57 Balance: 30009.7468575 CLAM
23:57 that's after I took off my 50% commission 
23:57 also, http://privatepaste.com/[...]
23:57 is up to date
23:58 rofl that page was so big it made this shitty little Macbook pro have a stroke 
23:59 Go a head and take 1000 for your self too on top of your 50%
23:59 fucking awsome dude
23:59 doog*
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00:03 yeah, every stake shown up as 2 lines: -5 then +6
00:04 you sure about the 1k?
00:04 100%
00:07 (sorry on the phone about [...])
00:07 (can prove this is me however if ever you need, but it is I)
00:08 I believe it's you
00:08 and thanks
00:08 (sorry got people here)
00:08 np sir
00:08 no worries
00:08 yeah, you staked 951 clams already
00:09 like over 3% of your total
00:10 Ya that is cray
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00:38 I took 1001: http://[...]/tx/e717d753d434552738710d08aeef32528db29300043658a0eb6f57cfc0ba9f58 because that way I didn't
have to make change
00:38 Jesus doog I said 1000! (lulz jk ) cool ty
00:38 heh
00:38 Not many people will thank you for taking a tip bahahhaha
00:39 rofl but ty, I couldn't do what you are doing
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Unfortunately I can't post logs about rat4's dox, because no such conversation ever happened between us.
xploited seems to think that creative found his name for you, but I wasn't party to that conversation.
November 10, 2015, 11:19:36 AM
Dooglus I want my 3,000 CLAMs back from me paying you off for giving me insider information to shake Rat4 with his dox (provided to me by dooglus) and purchase 30% of the Clamcoins prior to Just-Dice launch. Please deposited to:
xS93qVJw4uypKmZjNKj8JgrgC2QQvxenWZ
Resulting in not giving my money back will result in negative feedback and other negative outcomes.
You have 48 hours from this post.
xS93qVJw4uypKmZjNKj8JgrgC2QQvxenWZ
Resulting in not giving my money back will result in negative feedback and other negative outcomes.
You have 48 hours from this post.
It was 1001 CLAMs. Here's the transaction:
http://khashier.com/tx/e717d753d434552738710d08aeef32528db29300043658a0eb6f57cfc0ba9f58
I never had rat4's dox and don't condone you "shaking" people.
I"ll bet all my CLAMs (I don't have any), that BAC comes back and says, "yeah, but CLAM has dropped 2/3 in price, so you owe me 3000".
November 10, 2015, 11:07:14 AM
Doog, not sure if you read my entire post, but I don't advocate leaving things as they are necessarily. What I was getting at is that changes are not necessarily bad as long as they are made in order to preserve the fairness of the coin and its core principles, and not its monetary value. The changes that were implemented that you speak of were done in that manner, and that's ok.
My suggestion as a solution was to restrict large commercial entities with access to other people's addy's from digging, like exchanges and gambling sites. That was not the intent of the distribution model and is not fair to average joes, especially ones whose addy's the exchanges would use to dig. I was hoping you would chime in as to the feasibility of "isolating" such digs, technically speaking. Is it possible?
My suggestion as a solution was to restrict large commercial entities with access to other people's addy's from digging, like exchanges and gambling sites. That was not the intent of the distribution model and is not fair to average joes, especially ones whose addy's the exchanges would use to dig. I was hoping you would chime in as to the feasibility of "isolating" such digs, technically speaking. Is it possible?
I did read your post. Sorry for skipping over most of it in my reply.
I don't think it's really feasible to determine which wallets are "big commercial" and which aren't. Then there are the big commercial entities like poloniex who dug their large wallet and shared the CLAMs with their users. That should be OK with us, right? So then we have to be able to determine who is sharing their CLAMs and who isn't. And it all becomes a giant mess, with 'us' having to snoop into 'their' business to determine who gets to dig and who doesn't.
November 10, 2015, 11:03:09 AM
Dooglus I want my 3,000 CLAMs back from me paying you off for giving me insider information to shake Rat4 with his dox (provided to me by dooglus) and purchase 30% of the Clamcoins prior to Just-Dice launch. Please deposited to:
xS93qVJw4uypKmZjNKj8JgrgC2QQvxenWZ
Resulting in not giving my money back will result in negative feedback and other negative outcomes.
You have 48 hours from this post.
xS93qVJw4uypKmZjNKj8JgrgC2QQvxenWZ
Resulting in not giving my money back will result in negative feedback and other negative outcomes.
You have 48 hours from this post.
It was 1001 CLAMs. Here's the transaction:
http://khashier.com/tx/e717d753d434552738710d08aeef32528db29300043658a0eb6f57cfc0ba9f58
I never had rat4's dox and don't condone you "shaking" people.
November 10, 2015, 10:30:13 AM
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It's true. We knew from the outset that this was a risk. We also knew from the outset that having a "lottery" style staking system (block rewards 'randomly' between 0.1 and 1000 CLAMs) was probably gameable. When it became clear that it was being gamed, the rules were changed to remove the lottery system. That was before JD started using CLAM, but it happened. The CLAM rules have been changed several times already in reaction to observations. It's not like the current ruleset is somehow untouchable. It's just the current ruleset.
Previous changes have been handed down to us by the CLAM developers with little to no consultation with the larger community, and certainly no voting.
I understand that quite a large percentage of the community thinks we should leave digging just as it is now. If that's the most widespread opinion (modulo CLAM holdings) then that's what a vote would result in happening.
Is there anyone who thinks we should leave digging just as it is now even if the majority of CLAM holders want it to be changed? ie. is there anyone who doesn't want this put to a vote?
One fundamental aspect of CLAM is that it was well known from the very get-go [...]
It's true. We knew from the outset that this was a risk. We also knew from the outset that having a "lottery" style staking system (block rewards 'randomly' between 0.1 and 1000 CLAMs) was probably gameable. When it became clear that it was being gamed, the rules were changed to remove the lottery system. That was before JD started using CLAM, but it happened. The CLAM rules have been changed several times already in reaction to observations. It's not like the current ruleset is somehow untouchable. It's just the current ruleset.
Previous changes have been handed down to us by the CLAM developers with little to no consultation with the larger community, and certainly no voting.
I understand that quite a large percentage of the community thinks we should leave digging just as it is now. If that's the most widespread opinion (modulo CLAM holdings) then that's what a vote would result in happening.
Is there anyone who thinks we should leave digging just as it is now even if the majority of CLAM holders want it to be changed? ie. is there anyone who doesn't want this put to a vote?
Doog, not sure if you read my entire post, but I don't advocate leaving things as they are necessarily. What I was getting at is that changes are not necessarily bad as long as they are made in order to preserve the fairness of the coin and its core principles, and not its monetary value. The changes that were implemented that you speak of were done in that manner, and that's ok.
My suggestion as a solution was to restrict large commercial entities with access to other people's addy's from digging, like exchanges and gambling sites. That was not the intent of the distribution model and is not fair to average joes, especially ones whose addy's the exchanges would use to dig. I was hoping you would chime in as to the feasibility of "isolating" such digs, technically speaking. Is it possible?
November 10, 2015, 10:07:06 AM
People dont want buy so long digger still digging. He destroys the clam with use so long time.
Maybe that's the whole point. It could be someone who hates altcoins in general or CLAM in particular.
Though i think i know very little persons who would, without need, destroy value they own only because they dislike altcoins. I think it's more likely that he don't have a clue about trading. Though who could it be? Who owned so big wallets?
It's Satoshi. He doesn't want his BTC wallets to be seen moving, so he cashes in his million, billion clams.
Christmas coming, brakes on the car need fixed, mama crying for some bling. Satoshi has needs, too.
November 10, 2015, 09:55:40 AM
This parasite "BayAreaCoins" is one of the biggest pieces of shit in cryptocurrency.
The worst thing about CLAMS is his involvement in it.
Tip to BayAreaAsshole: Sell your CLAMS and GET THE FUCK OUT.
The worst thing about CLAMS is his involvement in it.
Tip to BayAreaAsshole: Sell your CLAMS and GET THE FUCK OUT.
November 10, 2015, 09:30:11 AM
but still why FUD CLAM?
Not trying to "FUD CLAM".
That sounds so high school datingish.
November 10, 2015, 09:18:31 AM
So you recommend people to sell clam yet you still paying 4x on your site?
Dooglus is fucking deep? he is leaving the choice to the community, you been butthurt since you dumped your clams cheap and you blame people.
Dooglus is fucking deep? he is leaving the choice to the community, you been butthurt since you dumped your clams cheap and you blame people.
Andu I really think you may actually be retarded or have a gas sniffing problem...
My site pays .005 BTC per dig and sells them at market or holds/stakes them until it is profitable to sell.
I'm not sure what cheap Clamcoins you are talking about that I sold... because I'm pretty positive I sold over 30,000 that I bought around Nov 23, 2014 for around .004-.009.
I'm butthurt I paid tribute to some fucking asshole who has done nothing but shit on me for the past few months and now I want my shit back because I gave it to him with the idea of working together in harmony... I obviously don't have a contract of "I paid you over $10,000 worth of crypto and you be not a douche bag".
If I paid anyone else a protection fee and they didn't protect... I'd get my fucking money back from them too. It's not a big deal.
November 10, 2015, 09:16:23 AM
So you recommend people to sell clam yet you still paying 4x on your site?
Dooglus is fucking deep? he is leaving the choice to the community, you been butthurt since you dumped your clams cheap and you blame people.
Dooglus is fucking deep? he is leaving the choice to the community, you been butthurt since you dumped your clams cheap and you blame people.
Andu I really think you may actually be retarded or have a gas sniffing problem...
My site pays .005 BTC per dig and sells them at market or holds/stakes them until it is profitable to sell.
I'm not sure what cheap Clamcoins you are talking about that I sold... because I'm pretty positive I sold over 30,000 that I bought around Nov 23, 2014 for around .004-.009.
I'm butthurt I paid tribute to some fucking asshole who has done nothing but shit on me for the past few months and now I want my shit back because I gave it to him with the idea of working together in harmony... I obviously don't have a contract of "I paid you over $10,000 worth of crypto (was worth at one point anyways... not now) and you be not a douche bag".
If I paid anyone else a protection fee and they didn't protect (in fact "they" were the agressors)... I'd get my fucking money back from them too.
It's not a big deal.
November 10, 2015, 09:07:21 AM
You wouldn't happen to have one of those low buy orders in at poloniex, would ya?
Most def not.
My buy orders are for fresh CLAMs only through my personal site and we pay a flat .005 BTC per dig if the digger chooses Bitcoin for their dig.
Dooglus is fucking deep? he is leaving the choice to the community, you been butthurt since you dumped your clams cheap and you blame people.
You did same with doge it fucked doge, but clam, you want clams back and you dont mind fuding a bit more dont you?
November 10, 2015, 09:05:59 AM
You wouldn't happen to have one of those low buy orders in at poloniex, would ya?
Most def not.
My buy orders are for fresh CLAMs only through my personal site and we pay a flat .005 BTC per dig if the digger chooses Bitcoin for their dig.
Can you explain what you are talking about so that others can understand?
Why should he give you money back? Why now?
Why should he give you money back? Why now?
That post will have it's own thread. I'm not going to talk back n forth about it here,
I don't imagine the Bitcoin community is going to take to kindly to what Dooglus did. MP already removed his WoT stuff from Dooglus long ago and I'm sure he had a itchy feeling something was fucked... which it was.
November 10, 2015, 09:01:41 AM
Strongly advise selling CLAM.
Dooglus is off the fucking deep end and all of this is going to end badly.
The community obviously does not want the dig structure to change, but Dooglus and Company who made horrible trades are pushing this shit like crazy.
It's even at the top of the JD news feed.
Last night I was banned from JD and Deb said she is happy that they are pushing us away because we didn't agree with them... I would strong advise people to start flooding away from these people.
Dooglus is already starting to abuse his power across the board and I imagine this power trip will continue to grow.
Dooglus is off the fucking deep end and all of this is going to end badly.
The community obviously does not want the dig structure to change, but Dooglus and Company who made horrible trades are pushing this shit like crazy.
It's even at the top of the JD news feed.
Last night I was banned from JD and Deb said she is happy that they are pushing us away because we didn't agree with them... I would strong advise people to start flooding away from these people.
Dooglus is already starting to abuse his power across the board and I imagine this power trip will continue to grow.
I actually agree that the digging should not be changed. But the rest of your post is just to funny. You guys need to get your own thread, or just kiss already, get it over with....
You wouldn't happen to have one of those low buy orders in at poloniex, would ya?
November 10, 2015, 09:00:49 AM
Dooglus I want my 3,000 CLAMs back from me paying you off for giving me insider information to shake Rat4 with his dox (provided to me by dooglus) and purchase 30% of the Clamcoins prior to Just-Dice launch. Please deposited to:
xS93qVJw4uypKmZjNKj8JgrgC2QQvxenWZ
Resulting in not giving my money back will result in negative feedback and other negative outcomes.
You have 48 hours from this post.
Can you explain what you are talking about so that others can understand?xS93qVJw4uypKmZjNKj8JgrgC2QQvxenWZ
Resulting in not giving my money back will result in negative feedback and other negative outcomes.
You have 48 hours from this post.
Why should he give you money back? Why now?
November 10, 2015, 08:54:25 AM
Dooglus I want my 3,000 1,000 CLAMs back from me paying you off for giving me insider information to shake Rat4 with his dox (provided to me by dooglus) and purchase 30% of the Clamcoins prior to Just-Dice launch. Please deposited to:
xS93qVJw4uypKmZjNKj8JgrgC2QQvxenWZ
Resulting in not giving my money back will result in negative feedback and other negative outcomes.
You have 48 hours from this post.
xS93qVJw4uypKmZjNKj8JgrgC2QQvxenWZ
Resulting in not giving my money back will result in negative feedback and other negative outcomes.
November 10, 2015, 08:49:13 AM
Strongly advise selling CLAM.
Dooglus is off the fucking deep end and all of this is going to end badly.
The community obviously does not want the dig structure to change, but Dooglus and Company who made horrible trades are pushing this shit like crazy.
It's even at the top of the JD news feed.
Last night I was banned from JD and Deb said she is happy that they are pushing us away because we didn't agree with them... I would strong advise people to start flooding away from these people.
Dooglus is already starting to abuse his power across the board and I imagine this power trip will continue to grow.
Dooglus is off the fucking deep end and all of this is going to end badly.
The community obviously does not want the dig structure to change, but Dooglus and Company who made horrible trades are pushing this shit like crazy.
It's even at the top of the JD news feed.
Last night I was banned from JD and Deb said she is happy that they are pushing us away because we didn't agree with them... I would strong advise people to start flooding away from these people.
Dooglus is already starting to abuse his power across the board and I imagine this power trip will continue to grow.
November 10, 2015, 08:12:43 AM
Maybe doog should just make JD coin were ppl could convert/burn already digged clams into JD coin, rest unclaimed would not be possible to convert/burn,
by doing that JD coin would become like JD stocks. I also dont care about clam, Im into clam cuz of JD.
no one likes your idea and no one gives a fuck , clam stakes , stop coming with alts trying. You are wrong. LLTGC. by doing that JD coin would become like JD stocks. I also dont care about clam, Im into clam cuz of JD.
November 10, 2015, 08:05:26 AM
I think changing the rules or splitting any community this coin has at this point would be a bad idea.
It wouldn't just be bad for current holders, but for possible future holders as well.
Taking away the very thing that caused Just-Dice to adopt it or even for the word CLAM to come in the JD troll box many moons ago would be unwise, greedy and boarder line scammy.
Mostly, the people who made shitty trades want change.
How are those .004 coins I sold you @ market price feeling to ya dooglus? I recall you clowning on me over that sale... and my service and now that everything I said would happen is happening... yall are starting to resort to brainstorming ways of scamming people.
Real cool.
It wouldn't just be bad for current holders, but for possible future holders as well.
Taking away the very thing that caused Just-Dice to adopt it or even for the word CLAM to come in the JD troll box many moons ago would be unwise, greedy and boarder line scammy.
Mostly, the people who made shitty trades want change.
How are those .004 coins I sold you @ market price feeling to ya dooglus? I recall you clowning on me over that sale... and my service and now that everything I said would happen is happening... yall are starting to resort to brainstorming ways of scamming people.
Real cool.
I agree. It could mean a slow death to clams because THE thing that attracts new users is still the promise of free clams you might own. Besides gambling of course.
November 10, 2015, 08:02:29 AM
People dont want buy so long digger still digging. He destroys the clam with use so long time.
Maybe that's the whole point. It could be someone who hates altcoins in general or CLAM in particular.
Though i think i know very little persons who would, without need, destroy value they own only because they dislike altcoins. I think it's more likely that he don't have a clue about trading. Though who could it be? Who owned so big wallets? Only exchanges i guess. Can it be a scam exchange that went down? And that is the reason he does not want to get exposed? Though when selling the clams his identity probably is know to the exchange.
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