[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 268.

DirectBet

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Quote from: dooglus on November 03, 2015, 12:51:42 AM

Quote from: DirectBet on November 02, 2015, 04:52:41 PM

Thanks for your feedback dooglus.

One more: I appear to be earning 2 DirectBet Coins for every CLAM I bet.

When I try to gamble with them, I am told:

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Sorry : Games can not be played with DirectBet Coins. Please select another coin.

Why would that be? Seems to be that since DirectBet Coins can be exchanged for BTC there's no reason not to let people gamble with them.

People will likely gamble and lose their DirectBet coins, reducing the amount of BTC you ever have to give up in rakeback.

Thanks again for your suggestion.

We do plan to allow playing with DirectBet coins in the near future.

Until then, they can be exchanged to BTC instantly from "My Account".

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Quote from: DirectBet on November 02, 2015, 04:52:41 PM

Thanks for your feedback dooglus.

One more: I appear to be earning 2 DirectBet Coins for every CLAM I bet.

When I try to gamble with them, I am told:

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Sorry : Games can not be played with DirectBet Coins. Please select another coin.

Why would that be? Seems to be that since DirectBet Coins can be exchanged for BTC there's no reason not to let people gamble with them.

People will likely gamble and lose their DirectBet coins, reducing the amount of BTC you ever have to give up in rakeback.

dooglus

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Quote from: DirectBet on November 02, 2015, 04:52:41 PM

Yes we're aware that the provably fair method can be improved and have already passed a similar suggestion to the games provider. They are looking into improving it in the future.

If they're going to change it, maybe you can suggest that they use a method similar to any of the big dice sites, whether there are long-lasting pairs of seeds, and a per-user nonce. That way the user doesn't have the overhead of having to make a note of the seed hash every hand they play.

Each hand is derived from a hash of (server_seed, client_seed, nonce) where nonce is incremented each time the player plays a hand.

Then the user can play 100 hands, ask for a change of seeds, at which point the old seed is revealed and he can verify all 100 hands at once without having to input 100 pieces of data.

cf. Prime Dice, BitDice, PRCdice, Just-Dice, SafeDice, etc. - they all use the same scheme.

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I really think sport betting with CLAM would be a hit.

We have gambled P2P a fair bit in JD playing sports with CLAMs.

I'm sure it would be worth it.

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Quote from: jpcfan on November 02, 2015, 03:24:11 PM

Quote from: smooth on November 02, 2015, 03:16:47 PM

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Quote from: BayAreaCoins on November 02, 2015, 01:17:37 PM

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DirectBet is pleased to present...... Clam ...

Nice!

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Quote from: smooth on November 02, 2015, 11:28:19 AM

is used at exactly ~~one web site~~ two web sites.

clam is used at 4 gambling sites now

fortunejack.com
just-dice.com
bitdice.com
Casino.DirectBet.eu

I'm just counting popular sites. Maybe I'm wrong about those other ones. If they're also popular that would be interesting to know.

i corrected last post 5 sites.

fortunejack is big. 500,000btc wagered total they use 10 coins there

bitdice is big IMO

Great stuff, thanks for the info. Looks like CLAMs are indeed becoming more widely used.

DirectBet

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Quote from: dooglus on November 02, 2015, 04:41:46 PM

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DirectBet is pleased to present...

DirectBet Casino & Playing Wallet !

Casino.DirectBet.eu

You can now play your favorite Casino games at DirectBet, with Bitcoin, Litecoin, Dogecoin, Dash and Clam.

Blackjack, Texas Hold'em, Jacks or Better, Slots, Roulette, HI - LO Switch, Heads & Tails, Baccarat, Virtual Horse Racing and more !

More than just a Casino

DirectBet is not just a Casino. It's a playing wallet.

You can use it as a regular multi currency wallet for your everyday use in addition to playing your favorite Casino games.

You can also use it to fund your Sport bets in our award winning Sportsbook. This will ensure that all your bet transfers arrive and confirm instantly so you won't miss any action.

Free Withdrawals

Move funds in and out of your playing wallet free of charge. We cover the miner fees !

DirectBet Coins

Earn DirectBet Coins every time you play through our most lucrative VIP Rewards Program. These coins have real cash value and can be exchanged to Bitcoin instantly.

Sign up now to our new Casino & Playing Wallet and get 30,000 DOGE FREE !

Play on the house. No deposit required.

For more details : Casino.DirectBet.eu

Good Luck !

I just tried a 100 CLAM deposit. I bet 25 CLAMs on blackjack, hit a blackjack, won 37.5 CLAMs, and then made a 137.5 CLAM withdrawal. It all worked pretty smoothly.

I couldn't figure out how to withdraw at first - you have to click your username in the top right corner and then "my account". I was expecting to be able to withdraw from the "playing wallet" page - but it seems that that page doesn't do anything at all - it's all just inactive text.

My only other minor complaint would be that the provable fairness is a little weak. I only get to cut the cards, I don't get to influence the shuffle at all. I'm sure it's possible to stack the deck in such a way that more than 50% of the cut points are losing deals for the player, and so it really would be better if you allowed the player's seed to have an effect on the shuffle as well as the cut point.

Other than those two niggles it looks like a good site.

Thanks for your feedback dooglus.

Yes we're aware that the provably fair method can be improved and have already passed a similar suggestion to the games provider. They are looking into improving it in the future.

dooglus

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DirectBet is pleased to present...

DirectBet Casino & Playing Wallet !

Casino.DirectBet.eu

You can now play your favorite Casino games at DirectBet, with Bitcoin, Litecoin, Dogecoin, Dash and Clam.

Blackjack, Texas Hold'em, Jacks or Better, Slots, Roulette, HI - LO Switch, Heads & Tails, Baccarat, Virtual Horse Racing and more !

More than just a Casino

DirectBet is not just a Casino. It's a playing wallet.

You can use it as a regular multi currency wallet for your everyday use in addition to playing your favorite Casino games.

You can also use it to fund your Sport bets in our award winning Sportsbook. This will ensure that all your bet transfers arrive and confirm instantly so you won't miss any action.

Free Withdrawals

Move funds in and out of your playing wallet free of charge. We cover the miner fees !

DirectBet Coins

Earn DirectBet Coins every time you play through our most lucrative VIP Rewards Program. These coins have real cash value and can be exchanged to Bitcoin instantly.

Sign up now to our new Casino & Playing Wallet and get 30,000 DOGE FREE !

Play on the house. No deposit required.

For more details : Casino.DirectBet.eu

Good Luck !

I just tried a 100 CLAM deposit. I bet 25 CLAMs on blackjack, hit a blackjack, won 37.5 CLAMs, and then made a 137.5 CLAM withdrawal. It all worked pretty smoothly.

I couldn't figure out how to withdraw at first - you have to click your username in the top right corner and then "my account". I was expecting to be able to withdraw from the "playing wallet" page - but it seems that that page doesn't do anything at all - it's all just inactive text.

My only other minor complaint would be that the provable fairness is a little weak. I only get to cut the cards, I don't get to influence the shuffle at all. I'm sure it's possible to stack the deck in such a way that more than 50% of the cut points are losing deals for the player, and so it really would be better if you allowed the player's seed to have an effect on the shuffle as well as the cut point.

Other than those two niggles it looks like a good site.

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Quote from: smooth on November 02, 2015, 03:16:47 PM

Quote from: jpcfan on November 02, 2015, 03:15:32 PM

Quote from: smooth on November 02, 2015, 02:33:27 PM

Quote from: BayAreaCoins on November 02, 2015, 01:17:37 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

DirectBet is pleased to present...... Clam ...

Nice!

Edited above:

Quote from: smooth on November 02, 2015, 11:28:19 AM

is used at exactly ~~one web site~~ two web sites.

clam is used at 4 gambling sites now

fortunejack.com
just-dice.com
bitdice.com
Casino.DirectBet.eu

I'm just counting popular sites. Maybe I'm wrong about those other ones. If they're also popular that would be interesting to know.

i corrected last post 5 sites.

fortunejack is big. 500,000btc wagered total they use 10 coins there

bitdice is big IMO

smooth

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Quote from: jpcfan on November 02, 2015, 03:15:32 PM

Quote from: smooth on November 02, 2015, 02:33:27 PM

Quote from: BayAreaCoins on November 02, 2015, 01:17:37 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

DirectBet is pleased to present...... Clam ...

Nice!

Edited above:

Quote from: smooth on November 02, 2015, 11:28:19 AM

is used at exactly ~~one web site~~ two web sites.

clam is used at 4 gambling sites now

fortunejack.com
just-dice.com
bitdice.com
Casino.DirectBet.eu

I'm just counting popular sites. Maybe I'm wrong about those other ones. If they're also popular that would be interesting to know.

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Quote from: smooth on November 02, 2015, 02:33:27 PM

Quote from: BayAreaCoins on November 02, 2015, 01:17:37 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

DirectBet is pleased to present...... Clam ...

Nice!

Edited above:

Quote from: smooth on November 02, 2015, 11:28:19 AM

is used at exactly ~~one web site~~ two web sites.

clam is used at 5 gambling sites now

fortunejack.com
just-dice.com
bitdice.com
Casino.DirectBet.eu
bustaclam.com

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I may write code in exchange for bitcoins.

I love directbet.eu for sports betting. I've honestly never used anything else they offer. IMO, directbet is the best option for sportsbetting so I'd hope that if they're adding CLAM support, they'd add it there.

smooth

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Quote from: BayAreaCoins on November 02, 2015, 01:17:37 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

DirectBet is pleased to present...... Clam ...

Nice!

Edited above:

Quote from: smooth on November 02, 2015, 11:28:19 AM

is used at exactly ~~one web site~~ two web sites.

TooDumbForBitcoin

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Quote from: jpcfan on November 02, 2015, 01:54:29 PM

my first blackjack win with clam

No comped drink???!!! Fuck this joint.

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my first blackjack win with clam

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DirectBet is pleased to present...

DirectBet Casino & Playing Wallet !

Casino.DirectBet.eu

You can now play your favorite Casino games at DirectBet, with Bitcoin, Litecoin, Dogecoin, Dash and Clam.

Blackjack, Texas Hold'em, Jacks or Better, Slots, Roulette, HI - LO Switch, Heads & Tails, Baccarat, Virtual Horse Racing and more !

More than just a Casino

DirectBet is not just a Casino. It's a playing wallet.

You can use it as a regular multi currency wallet for your everyday use in addition to playing your favorite Casino games.

You can also use it to fund your Sport bets in our award winning Sportsbook. This will ensure that all your bet transfers arrive and confirm instantly so you won't miss any action.

Free Withdrawals

Move funds in and out of your playing wallet free of charge. We cover the miner fees !

DirectBet Coins

Earn DirectBet Coins every time you play through our most lucrative VIP Rewards Program. These coins have real cash value and can be exchanged to Bitcoin instantly.

Sign up now to our new Casino & Playing Wallet and get 30,000 DOGE FREE !

Play on the house. No deposit required.

For more details : Casino.DirectBet.eu

Good Luck !

im a big sportsbet bettor and i dont see you can use clam for the sportsbook. is that correct?

if it is can you add clam to your sportbook betting? i have many friends who bet and if you have clam, i can make you more rich

That is correct. Currently we accept CLAM in our Casino & Playing Wallet only.

We do have plans to add it to our Sportsbook if there will be sufficient interest.

that is good. i bet about 1btc a week on sportsbetting at a competing website. and if you add clam to sportsbook. i will use clam instead. im a big fan of CLAM

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It is really nice to see Directbet also started accepting CLAM. This hopefully spreads it around a bit. I would also be interested if it was added to the Sportsbook so +1 from me.

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DirectBet is pleased to present...... Clam ...

Sweet! Finally Wink

Thank you very much and GL.

I think they are a worthy service to be listed in the OP.

smooth

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Quote from: tspacepilot on October 31, 2015, 03:46:46 AM

We know an upper bound on it (the amount of clams deposited in the initial distribution). That may be large, but it's finite and in theory, it was expected to be hit sooner or later. Everyone is fretting about uncertainty and whatnot, if someone digs up all the CLAMS, that removes uncertainty about how many are left to be dug.

I never expected the actual limit to be hit and maybe not even close to it. People don't necessarily keep spent private keys around. But I certainly always expected a hell of a lot more than the current 1/2 million to be dug up. At least a few million if not eventually 10 million or more.

I agree with you that the more that are dug up now the fewer will be dug up later. I also think that the market got ahead of itself valuing CLAMs at >1 USD. That would make CLAMs a top 10 coin based on its likely supply and that doesn't make sense for a fork coin with some tweaks (even if the tweaks are generally meritorious) that it is used at exactly ~~one web site~~ two web sites.

Supply being dug up in response to price increases is exactly what is supposed to happen with this coin. Anyone who claims otherwise didn't understand the design

EDIT: Right after I posted, directbet announced support, so two web sites now!

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I bought some at 0.006 after the first fall, I am considering buying more but do worry about having too much money invested in Altcoins.
People think it's odd having money in Bitcoin, telling them that I have significant amounts of money invested in something that was given away to people who had addresses at a certain time might make me look crazy!

I do think the price is too low at the moment though.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on November 01, 2015, 03:36:56 PM

Why don't you make your buyin rates dynamic simply?

There was a few concerns about making a rates dynamic:

I don't trust these shitcoin API's and such.
Concerns of a big digger eating our lunch and then eating the markets behind it. (Still could happen, but at least we are picking what time we set down to eat.)
It would be more complicated to make for the gentleman who was generous to give me a shot. I really just wanted to make it as easy and basic as possible to start.

I don't know why exactly, but I feel that .005 is a fair price per fresh address.

Quote from: SebastianJu on November 01, 2015, 03:36:56 PM

Or do you want to check how the buyin rates change with the clamprice dropping? So you can choose your perfect rate for later?

Honestly, the various altcoin exchange rates at this point mean very little to me.

I feel that the current Bitcoin offer (along with affiliate pay) is our perfect #.

I've had a lot of luck with CLAM and I think it's healthy to throw some back in the pot... plus I think it's kinda sweet watching people use my service and search for clammies.

Even if I lose 10% in order to be the "best" place to dig compared to Just-Dice or even the CLIENT... that would take less than a 100 days to make up in stakes I'd bet. (assuming the markets recover like I think they will once the digging market becomes stagnate again.)

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