[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 363.

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Quote from: Evil-Dragon on March 27, 2015, 12:16:33 PM

Quote from: SuperClam on March 26, 2015, 03:00:40 PM

Cross-posted over in the mining sub-forum.

If anyone has personal experience with staking CLAM and how it is similar to Proof-Of-Work (compared to other Proof-Of-Stake alternatives), your opinions and experiences would likely be helpful:

Hi, solo staker here. [...]

If you need anymore info, let me know.

I was wondering if you knew anything about this deposit to Just-Dice, Mr. Solo Staker. Wink

Which makes me wonder... what happens if people put illegal or copyrighted text into the blockchain's CLAMspeech? It's not like anyone can take it down to comply with a cease and desist order. I remember a few years ago someone put a bunch of links to very dubious sites in the Bitcoin blockchain, but I've not heard anything about that since. Here's an article, with a pretty inaccurate headline: "If you own Bitcoin, you also own links to child porn". (Inaccurate since you can own Bitcoin simply by holding a private key on a piece of paper. You don't need a copy of the blockchain to own Bitcoin).

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Quote from: SuperClam on March 26, 2015, 03:00:40 PM

Cross-posted over in the mining sub-forum.

If anyone has personal experience with staking CLAM and how it is similar to Proof-Of-Work (compared to other Proof-Of-Stake alternatives), your opinions and experiences would likely be helpful:

Hi, solo staker here. Used to keep my coins on Just-Dice but once the leverage system came into effect i moved most into my local wallet. I've got 519 coins staking across 85 addresses in the wallet (pre splitsize/combinesize) and is setup in 5 clam chunks. I've got splitsize and combinesize setup for 2 clam output chunks at the moment. Experience is sporadic at best. I've had 4 clam stakes in 24 hours and then gone to the other extreme of having 3-4 days with 0 stakes at all. This month i've staked 32 coins (3/3/15-27/3/15)

As JD's staking weight grows i've noticed an uptrend of drier days but since their is no growing staking weight then it just ends up a huge game of luck. Also on the subject of orphaned stakes, i'm getting maybe 1 every 1-2 weeks.

If you need anymore info, let me know.

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Quote from: qiwoman2 on March 27, 2015, 02:28:16 AM

I just bought a few CLAMS today to roll into just-dice too so will send over to one of our Team to incubate as I am in Cyprus and online gambling ain't allowed here lol.. Grin

Just bought about 9 so far but it's something, will buy more as time goes on..btw my Hubby was supposed to do Chinese translation for a bounty bag is that still going? Wink

So we can get clams by importing our bitcoin blockchain addy? I am not very tech savvy or you have to have a btc balance to get Clams?

Be sure they are retired wallets or at least worth the risk.

Happy to see Cyprus showing up!

More clamcoin faucets coming too! List is already pretty good. Getting coins into the hands of totally new folks is important.

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Quote from: qiwoman2 on March 27, 2015, 02:28:16 AM

I just bought a few CLAMS today to roll into just-dice too so will send over to one of our Team to incubate as I am in Cyprus and online gambling ain't allowed here lol.. Grin

Just bought about 9 so far but it's something, will buy more as time goes on..btw my Hubby was supposed to do Chinese translation for a bounty bag is that still going? Wink

So we can get clams by importing our bitcoin blockchain addy? I am not very tech savvy or you have to have a btc balance to get Clams?

Hey qi

Every address that had a balance in May on the BTC/LTC/DOGE networks, had it's counterpart on the CLAM network attributed ~4.6 CLAM.

So, yes, there needed to be a balance in May.

It is easy to check: just download the client, sync past block 10k, and click File->Import Wallet.

EDIT:
As mentioned earlier, it is wise to empty the address before claiming

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I just bought a few CLAMS today to roll into just-dice too so will send over to one of our Team to incubate as I am in Cyprus and online gambling ain't allowed here lol.. Grin

Just bought about 9 so far but it's something, will buy more as time goes on..btw my Hubby was supposed to do Chinese translation for a bounty bag is that still going? Wink

So we can get clams by importing our bitcoin blockchain addy? I am not very tech savvy or you have to have a btc balance to get Clams?

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Quote from: dooglus on March 26, 2015, 09:13:31 PM

I don't know if anyone noticed the CLAM difficulty dropped through the floor over the last couple of hours.

That was my fault. I was debugging a hang-up in the Just-Dice wallet, left the wallet running in a terminal ssh'ed into a remote server from my laptop, and left the laptop while I went outside for a break.

The laptop suspended itself, causing the clamd on the remote server to hang up and stop staking.

Here are charts of the network difficulty:

It's pretty much back to normal now - but for an hour or so it was much easier to stake than normal.

Well that was one way of measuring the mining power of Just-Dice
I must say that is quite impressive though
(1 Hour of good staking for everyone else Tongue

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Quote from: chilly2k on March 26, 2015, 10:59:31 PM

Hahaha, speak for your self. I got no stakes from this. Even thought I have several hundred outputs ready to stake. The last time this happened the block chain actually started to slow down. This was the multiple little withdrawal issue. At that time I think I noticed almost 30 mins between a few blocks.

Well, it was about 10 times easier than usual to stake at its easiest.

We're back to normal now. The fall and rise look very similar:

Edit: oh, and I meant to say: the difficulty wouldn't drop if the blockchain didn't slow down - that's entirely how the difficulty is set. If the blocks are coming too slowly, the difficulty drops to make them come more often, and vice versa.

Here's a chart showing the time between blocks over the same period:

When JD first stopped staking. There's no gap much longer than 10 minutes it seems:

And when JD restarted staking:

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Quote from: dooglus on March 26, 2015, 09:13:31 PM

I don't know if anyone noticed the CLAM difficulty dropped through the floor over the last couple of hours.

That was my fault. I was debugging a hang-up in the Just-Dice wallet, left the wallet running in a terminal ssh'ed into a remote server from my laptop, and left the laptop while I went outside for a break.

The laptop suspended itself, causing the clamd on the remote server to hang up and stop staking.

Here are charts of the network difficulty:

It's pretty much back to normal now - but for an hour or so it was much easier to stake than normal.

Hahaha, speak for your self. I got no stakes from this. Even thought I have several hundred outputs ready to stake. The last time this happened the block chain actually started to slow down. This was the multiple little withdrawal issue. At that time I think I noticed almost 30 mins between a few blocks.

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Wow that was a massive drop in difficulty indeed. Amazing how much of the network JD is Wink

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Have anybody installed it on ARCH LINUX?
Thank you!

dooglus

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I don't know if anyone noticed the CLAM difficulty dropped through the floor over the last couple of hours.

That was my fault. I was debugging a hang-up in the Just-Dice wallet, left the wallet running in a terminal ssh'ed into a remote server from my laptop, and left the laptop while I went outside for a break.

The laptop suspended itself, causing the clamd on the remote server to hang up and stop staking.

Here are charts of the network difficulty:

It's pretty much back to normal now - but for an hour or so it was much easier to stake than normal.

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Quote from: SuperClam on March 26, 2015, 03:00:40 PM

Cross-posted over in the mining sub-forum.

If anyone has personal experience with staking CLAM and how it is similar to Proof-Of-Work (compared to other Proof-Of-Stake alternatives), your opinions and experiences would likely be helpful:

~~https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1003792~~

EDIT:

It appears that the post was removed by the moderator mprep.
The reason: "Pointless promotion / Ad spam."

The intent was to inform the thousands of users who likely have CLAM "stake-rigs" unclaimed and idle.

The post did have a link to Just-Dice.
I figured that the parallels between proof-of-work mining and CLAM staking, and the fact that JD provides a stake-pool analogous to a mining pool, made it relevant.

Subsequently, I noticed that our moderator mprep has a PrimeDice signature.
I doubt that is the reason for the removal of the thread, but I fail to see how the thread was "Ad spam".

He is a XMR cheerleader too I believe.

Just repost it and post the reason why you think it isn't spam ect @ the top of the post for the first few days.

If it gets removed again, then fuck off because the next one will be a few day ban off the forums.

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Cross-posted over in the mining sub-forum.

If anyone has personal experience with staking CLAM and how it is similar to Proof-Of-Work (compared to other Proof-Of-Stake alternatives), your opinions and experiences would likely be helpful:

~~https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1003792~~

EDIT:

It appears that the post was removed by the moderator mprep.
The reason: "Pointless promotion / Ad spam."

The intent was to inform the thousands of users who likely have CLAM "stake-rigs" unclaimed and idle.

The post did have a link to Just-Dice.
I figured that the parallels between proof-of-work mining and CLAM staking, and the fact that JD provides a stake-pool analogous to a mining pool, made it relevant.

Subsequently, I noticed that our moderator mprep has a PrimeDice signature.
I doubt that is the reason for the removal of the thread, but I fail to see how the thread was "Ad spam".

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Quote from: madmartyk on March 26, 2015, 01:20:29 PM

One issue is that all docs say to empty your addresses, after they are imported can you use them again?

There is no "requirement" to empty addresses before claiming them.
It is recommended that users empty addresses before claiming as a precautionary measure.

It is important to remember that any individual can produce software to interact with the CLAM network.
Some third-party software into which CLAM wallets are imported, or even the CLAM client itself, could theoretically be compromised at some point in the unknown future.

Ensuring the addresses/keys are empty and retired before claiming takes the guess-work out of security.
If the keys are empty, a large group of possible security issues are pro-actively prevented.

It is important to mention that we do not expect and have not heard of any such situation.

This is a preventative measure that simply fits the measure of common sense.

EDIT:

Quote from: dooglus on March 26, 2015, 01:32:10 PM

Importing your BTC wallet copies your BTC private keys into your CLAM wallet.
If you keep your CLAM wallet safe, and trust the CLAM client not to upload the private keys anywhere, there's no need to empty the BTC addresses, or to stop using them. But if you don't want to have to evaluate whether you can trust the CLAM client, it's easier just to retire your old BTC wallet and make a new one.

Indeed

Peace of mind at the expense of a transaction fee is a "no-brainer".

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Quote from: madmartyk on March 26, 2015, 01:20:29 PM

One issue is that all docs say to empty your addresses, after they are imported can you use them again?

Importing your BTC wallet copies your BTC private keys into your CLAM wallet.

If you keep your CLAM wallet safe, and trust the CLAM client not to upload the private keys anywhere, there's no need to empty the BTC addresses, or to stop using them. But if you don't want to have to evaluate whether you can trust the CLAM client, it's easier just to retire your old BTC wallet and make a new one.

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One issue is that all docs say to empty your addresses, after they are imported can you use them again?

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Quote from: freedomno1 on March 26, 2015, 10:37:55 AM

Quote from: kolloh on March 25, 2015, 11:20:45 PM

Well, I am glad I ended up downloading the Clam wallet and importing as I found more clams than I originally thought I had left as I had dug some manually before.

Same here actually since I followed the Yacuna guide recently and forgot to use listaddressinggroups last time on Core
https://yacuna.com/blog/get-clam-coins-for-free/
Kind of forgot that function existed and that technically I'm in control of a lot more than 1 address under that main address ^^

This is the reason we have repeatedly warned users about the existence of "change" addresses and suggested that users claim, whenever possible, via the CLAM client "Import Wallet" method.

On the plus side: glad you both got it worked out Grin

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Quote from: kolloh on March 25, 2015, 11:20:45 PM

Well, I am glad I ended up downloading the Clam wallet and importing as I found more clams than I originally thought I had left as I had dug some manually before.

Same here actually since I followed the Yacuna guide recently and forgot to use listaddressinggroups last time on Core
https://yacuna.com/blog/get-clam-coins-for-free/

Kind of forgot that function existed and that technically I'm in control of a lot more than 1 address under that main address ^^

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Well, I am glad I ended up downloading the Clam wallet and importing as I found more clams than I originally thought I had left as I had dug some manually before.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QM_A7jdfiU

I have a more animated one in the works. Stay tuned in the coming weeks.

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