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Looking great, but what does oaeu mean?

My keyboard is dvorak   Cheesy



I didn't even know that existed!  Wow, do you know how to use both types of keyboards?  if so, does it mess you up?  Cheesy

Still don't understand what oaeu means though.  Google isn't helping Tongue  LOL.  Anyway, love the new wallet layout and utilities, this is going to be truly awesome!

and LOL, otoh, truly we are

Kaspersky-antivirus contains a protected virtual keyboard. Advise Smiley
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If Bitcoin goes the route of ETF's, Payment Channels, Sidechains and bank ownership (of large parts of the bitcoin supply) it will desroy the aspirations of this guy.

You can be sure as f*ck about that because that was what "The Cypherfunks" were fighting against. Sidechains, superstrcture payment channels or ETF's were never part of the Cypherfunk philosophy. Their philosophy was based on a unique electronic asset accessible to all NOT THROUGH SUPERSTRUCTURES.

You must think that Satoshi is likely to dump all his Bitcoins at some point then. I mean..from what we know of him, he definitely wouldn't like the direction that his invention is currently going in, would he?

I think he lost his private key Tongue
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Looking great, but what does oaeu mean?

My keyboard is dvorak   Cheesy



I didn't even know that existed!  Wow, do you know how to use both types of keyboards?  if so, does it mess you up?  Cheesy

Still don't understand what oaeu means though.  Google isn't helping Tongue  LOL.  Anyway, love the new wallet layout and utilities, this is going to be truly awesome!

and LOL, otoh, truly we are



Ha, I just hit the first four letters... it's like typing asdf

Ah!  Except it was sadf and I couldn't work that one out either, LOL  I was looking for a secret code! Tongue
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Looking great, but what does oaeu mean?

My keyboard is dvorak   Cheesy



I didn't even know that existed!  Wow, do you know how to use both types of keyboards?  if so, does it mess you up?  Cheesy

Still don't understand what oaeu means though.  Google isn't helping Tongue  LOL.  Anyway, love the new wallet layout and utilities, this is going to be truly awesome!

and LOL, otoh, truly we are



Ha, I just hit the first four letters... it's like typing asdf
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Looking great, but what does oaeu mean?

My keyboard is dvorak   Cheesy



I didn't even know that existed!  Wow, do you know how to use both types of keyboards?  if so, does it mess you up?  Cheesy

Still don't understand what oaeu means though.  Google isn't helping Tongue  LOL.  Anyway, love the new wallet layout and utilities, this is going to be truly awesome!

and LOL, otoh, truly we are
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If Bitcoin goes the route of ETF's, Payment Channels, Sidechains and bank ownership (of large parts of the bitcoin supply) it will desroy the aspirations of this guy.

You can be sure as f*ck about that because that was what "The Cypherfunks" were fighting against. Sidechains, superstrcture payment channels or ETF's were never part of the Cypherfunk philosophy. Their philosophy was based on a unique electronic asset accessible to all NOT THROUGH SUPERSTRUCTURES.

You must think that Satoshi is likely to dump all his Bitcoins at some point then. I mean..from what we know of him, he definitely wouldn't like the direction that his invention is currently going in, would he?
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Evan is making closer to $500 USD / day

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Such greed. Let them eat cake, right Evan?

I have no idea what's your issue. My rates for IT-consultancy are $800 / day, so what?

Likewise, I charge out at that for IT consultancy. $500 is a cheap day rate for a dev! Especially one of Evan's calibre! Wink

Walter


Did it take you 8 hours to instamine your degree and certifications? That's how long it took Evan to instamine his fraud stash and blame it on a bug.

LOL @ "Evan's calibre" - Evan couldn't code anything half-decent if his life depended on it.

Let's look at a few examples

- Launched a coin with a supposed "bug" in it, even after the first failed launch that day (so he's either a liar or a shit coder, take your pick)
- Failed to implement masternode blinding despite promises that it was working
- Uses chained algorithms because he's clueless about cryptography


Evan is a failed day trader who thinks a triple top is a buy signal. He needs to lie and scam to make a living.


Edit: Look at this "Walter_S" character. Another one of the 2 dozen sockpuppets who ONLY posts in the DASH thread. Surprise surprise  Roll Eyes


Look at this guy's first post. He sure seems to know a lot for a brand new crypto user  Roll Eyes


Just stunned at the brilliance of the new DarkTor masternode service - amazing.

Dont we already have a VPS provider in iceland that accepts Darkcoin.

I will gladly use them, darksend them some coins and become an exit node....with the number of TOR users out there, I think someone calculated that at 50 cents per user per day, and 1000 masternodes thats like $180,000 return a year per masternode!!

I think we need to have some further discussions around how it will all work but super excited after RC5 + obfuscation at this project!

Yeah, that was me on the darkcointalk https://darkcointalk.org/threads/development-update-august-19-2014.2086/page-2. And the numbers were based on 10 cents per user per day not 50 cents!

Also bear in mind that as it stands the absolute maximum number of masternodes can't really go above the total number of DRKs that will ever exist in circulation ( roughly 22,000,000 DRKs) / (1000DRKs ) = 22,000 Masternodes.

And that's an absolute. In reality I'd be surprised if MN numbers went over 10,000 as the currency is also to be used for transaction volume. DRK can't function as a currency if there is no liquidity due to all the coins being tied up in cold wallets!

Naturally, this can only change if the 1000 DRK cost of 'ownership' is changed somehow... Does anyone - including Evan - have a view on this? Is it set in stone?

Regards,

Walter


Walter_S welcome to my list of shady dash people  Wink

what is your love at first sight story with darkcoin?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13200467
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Looking great, but what does oaeu mean?  I love all the other titles, they're unique and perfect!

Yup, Tao, if only I really could, I'm a bit old now, LOL.  I'd love to even do cartwheels again, as that used to feel so good on my back, but alas, I'm too afraid to try, LOL.

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Edit: Tante & I otoh, like Putin & DPR, are immortal...
And Jordi Hurtado!! (Spanish showman)

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I've been reading the Evolution docs docs (in the park). Just started.

Having lived and worked through the eightees computer revolution I think I can save people a lot of time and effort in dissimilating Dash and Bitcoin.

Dash is Apple and Bitcoin is Microsoft. That will be the story from now on and the playout will be the same.

Apple had control of the software and hardware which meant that they could move faster than anyone else. They used this "total control" to build an ideal computing environment.

Meanwhile, IBM and microsoft played the "bitcoin game": Everyone was allowed to participate in the economy. Motherboards by X. IBM received a royalty on "X" while allowing everyone else to make them. Microsoft changed "PC-DOS" to "MS-DOS" and became the biggest tech company ever. cryptowas contracted out. Technology accounted for nothing. Adoption counted for everything..

Apple did not allow anyone to make anything Apple compatible. Just as Dash does not contract out its anonymisation technology. Dash masternodes only work on the Dash network. They don't work on any other network.

NOTE: Commercial priorities - Adoption vs Development. Dash think’s it’s garnering adoption through development but which may be true to some extent. But Bitcoin is garnering far more adoption through marketing, just as Microsoft did. Meanwhile Dash is setting the precedent for the industry. Just as Apple did.

That is the challenge for Dash. People do not buy technology, they buy need.

Right now, bitcoin is at the front door of "need" as far as crypto currencies go.



Apple Computer had a GUI operating system a full 10 years ahead of Microsoft. Think about that - it's a massive lead. They also had desktop publishing, native networking (Appletalk) and Fonts.

But Microsoft and IBM between them created an economy, because everyone could get a "piece of the action" - hardware manufacturers, software builders, alternate OS's like Linux, Mick Jagger, you name it. So the PC economy grew far larger despite the fact that Apple was leading the way the whole time. It was a kind of uneasy, competitive come co-operative relationship between the two technologies that ultimately was to prove very productive for both.

Now lets turn to Dash and bitcoin.

Dash has created a second tier. It is not a literal tier - only a logic tier which is important to emphasise. However this tier is not a third party commercial tier as far as protocol goes. It is totally integrated with the Dash network protocol in the same way that Apple hardware was integrated with Apple software. This is going to give Dash a huge advantage technologically because it controls both tiers. The bitcoin economy will require all the same features that Dash has - and will get them. It's just that the secondary tier will be supported by third parties and technologies  such as Etherium blockchain apps, stock market ETF's, Coinbase, Sidechains etc. The resulting bitcoin economy will be huge for the same reason that the IBM/Microsoft economy was huge - i.e. loads of people can have a piece of the pie.

But it will also be ugly.

And thats the catch for investors. Both options are attractive for different reasons. When I read the Dash Evolution docs I suddenly encountered myself from 30 years ago: using an advanced technology that was about to not do justice to itself commercially.

Why ?...because it retained control of its own ecosystem, thereby leaving the field bare for others. Dash is showing the way. But only symbolically and on a prototype basis. The industrial equivalent of masternodes will have the entire crypto world running a commercially diverse second tier against a commercially diverse tier of store of value assets. How that economic model plays out is as yet ambiguous. Whats for sure is that all crypto assets will find a role - no one will dominate that business model.

Where Apple was back then is where Dash is now: in control of a symbolic equivalent of what the world-wide market is about to become.

The bitcoin economy will acquire the equivalent of masternodes, decentralised voting, anonymity, scaleability and everything that Dash has. It just won't develop it as a single technological unit. If you want privacy you'll buy through an ETF who will keep your contracts private for you. If you want scaleability you'll use payment channels which will end up being owned by Visa. If you want decentralised voting - forget it. There's no way an economy that size is going to leave policy to "the people".

Regarding the Apple/Microsoft legacy, the question for Dash investors is: How does this technological precedent apply to money ?


There are two answers to that: [1] a technological one. [2] - a financial one

A. Technology
To answer the technological one is easy. Bitcoin has already thrown in the towel on protocol development. Technologically it is parked and all future services will be taken up by third party support services such as Etherium apps, stock market ETF's (Winklevoss twins), banks using bitcoin as capital assets and proprietary payment channels that use the bitcion blockchain as simply a 'clearing' layer. In other words, Bitcoin is not going to fulfill Satoshi's vision - a store of value that could also function as a currency. Monetarily, the banks will turn it into what CDO's are: a capital asset that backs other capital assets that ultimately back fiat currency.

B. Capital
The question of Dash as a capital investment is far more open. Lets calculate Dash's marketcap as a proportion of bitcoin's.



Ask yourself this. If you really think Satoshi's vision of a fully integrated, self contained monetary medium is worth preserving, which approach does more justice to it ?

[1] - SIDECHAINS: a coder's Frankensteinian boilerplate that has no historical precedence in monetary history which requires you to "bake" your bitcoin for a day or two to in order to "hide" it, thereby turning the "ghost" bitcoin market into a premium version of the original and thus destroying all pretences to fungibility that bitcoin ever had.

[2] - ETF's: the paper gold version of bitcoin

[3] - PAYMENT CHANNELS: Do you really think that the last 30 years of research into cryptography a la David Chaum were busting their a'ss's just so that their discovery could be proxied ?

No. They weren't. What those people were looking for was an electronic asset that could be traded DIRECTLY.

The only two people I've ever seen in this entire field who've understood that principle implicitly and that don't appear to be scared of censorship are Evan Duffield and Andreas Antonopolis. Notably, they are also two people who have never aligned themselves with any particular approach. That tells you all you need to know.

In all the time I've been observing this industry, I've never seen Evan make one single adverse remark towards an industry peer. The same with Antonopolis. He is tireless in his ability to articulate the philosophy of monetary integrity as Evan is tireless in his pursuit of monetary fidelity.

The test is whether it gets adopted.

Dash's precedent is Apple. Bitcoin's is Microsoft. Take your pick. I've already seen how this plays out got the T-Shirt, picked my side except this time I suspect it's going to be played out a lot faster , if for no other reason than it has the space to itself.

Sources:

Dash Paper: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IZYs5C6CmJyC4MqY_2P_WnPcxaea6yy6cFkorkStDBM/edit
MS Cap: https://ycharts.com/companies/MSFT/market_cap
Apple CAP: https://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/market_cap
History: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple_Inc.
History: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/history#T1=era0
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Looking great, but what does oaeu mean?

My keyboard is dvorak   Cheesy



I would prefer it as a chrome application rather than a chrome extension, because it emulates quite perfectly a standalone application.
It's getting pretty!
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Looking great, but what does oaeu mean?

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Looking great, but what does oaeu mean?  I love all the other titles, they're unique and perfect!

Yup, Tao, if only I really could, I'm a bit old now, LOL.  I'd love to even do cartwheels again, as that used to feel so good on my back, but alas, I'm too afraid to try, LOL.

MMXV


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Ooops, edit, it started earlier: http://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2015-12-02

Edit: Tante & I otoh, like Putin & DPR, are immortal...
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The wallet is looking pretty good! Seems great to have a multi layered "wallet" with separate funds for everyday spending as well as saving funds locked away with multisig.
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Looking great, but what does oaeu mean?  I love all the other titles, they're unique and perfect!

Yup, Tao, if only I really could, I'm a bit old now, LOL.  I'd love to even do cartwheels again, as that used to feel so good on my back, but alas, I'm too afraid to try, LOL.
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Looking good, DASH!
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