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legendary
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I think you're right about the facebook terminology though.  Instead of "friends" maybe we should use "contacts" or "connections" or some such

The correct term is "payees".

They are neither contacts nor friends. Unless the wallet is trying to re-invent itself as a social media tool (which is what I'm saying is the huge banana skin to be avoided) then that list represents aliases for payment addresses. They might be anyone from enemies to gas companies to retailers or charities but 'Payees' describes the common role that that entity has in the tool. Anything else pre-supposes the nature of the relationship and is ambiguous.

A CRM tool would use terminology such as "contacts" because that is unambiguously the nature of the tool. Likeways, a social media system would label them "friends". I know "Payees" sounds boring but boring is good in system design if it more correctly defines the role than anything else (which in this case it does  Wink ).

All I'm saying is that it's not the job of a currency to perform a social media function. However the reverse may be the case - i.e. social media applications may want access to spendable currencies which is why I'm saying the approach should be forget about user interfaces other than very boring and secure ones in the 'native wallet' while concentrating on:

[1] - blockchain performance

[2] - monetary fidelity

[3] - blockchain accessibility (API's)
legendary
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I think there should be a focus on implementing certain social media exspects into the wallet as that will gain mainstraim adoption far more easy.

But think: what is the number one barrier to adoption in bitcoin ?

It isn't convenience, it's security. Ask any potential adopter what they think of bitcoin and the first think they'll mention is MtGox. They won't be complaining about the lack of a social media tool integrated in their wallet. They WANT it to be difficult to pay someone, not easy because that enhances their sense of security.

Facebook plugin for social media IMO. Wallets are wallets.


I don't think that's quite true.  I remember starting here, and my fears were:

Losing my wallet.dat, so I can never access it again.
I could lose it by:
1. simply deleting it
2. getting confused and over writing it
3. having a catastrophic hardware failure at the same time jump drive failure

Having someone trojan my computer and grab my wallet.dat
Having the above happen then realizing I left an unencrypted version on my computer!
Sending funds to the wrong address because I inadvertently hit a key and changed a number/letter
^^^ because I copied the wrong address

I was pretty freakin scared, still am nervous, using the wallet.

With this system, you just have to remember your login information.
no need to backup
no fear it will be lost
can access it from any device
You can locate a person, and then pay them, by name, it's so much easier!  But mostly, it feels less confusing = scary.

I think you're right about the facebook terminology though.  Instead of "friends" maybe we should use "contacts" or "connections" or some such
Instead of "chat" we should use "messaging"
And finally, something that isn't there, I think a "partners" tab might be a great idea, where a combined multi sig account could be set up.  You can access this "section" of your wallet from your account and your partners could access it from theirs, however, to spend funds, the partners have to agree.  You could even set up the terms when setting up the wallet.  2/3 sigs to spend or 5/7, etc...  stan.distortion was talking about something similar to me earlier.  Not my idea, but I think a very good one.

So this structure could really expand in usefulness.

But also, one could have as many wallets as one wants, and be completely anonymous.  Ratings can be used on accounts only when they are useful.  They are useful in building a reputation.  You can make it so only people who have transacted together can rate each other. Yes, some people will rate unfairly low (heck, some jerk rated my husband's book a 1 because they didn't like the funny "dutch" words used by the characters when everyone else rates it a 5 and a couple of 4 stars. People get used to a free rating system and take that into account.  It will be what it will be, but on the whole, the more ratings, the more accurate it will be Smiley

Anyway, my knee jerk reaction when first presented with this whole concept was Noooo!  LOL, but now it's really sinking in what this can do just scratching the surface, and I think it's brilliant!  And it's not just social, it's functional in a banking, partnering, LLC type of construct way.

But YOU Toknormal, are the one person I'm relying on to double check my thinking.  I knew you wouldn't like it either, LOL.  And now I watch and wait to see how you continue to digest the whole thing Smiley


Oh, and regarding "chat" (or I prefer messaging), I can see it being used, especially in partner situations, for discussing and coordinating payments among other things, and if it can be a tunneled, encrypted connection that is never recorded by a 3rd party, it could be a great tool, only face to face would be better!
legendary
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The thing about Dash is that it is far more optimised for social media network payments than other cryptos because:

[1] - it's instant

[2] - it's resilient to de-anonimisation (imagine bitcoin's blockchain linked to millions of social media accounts and the rubbing of salt in the wounds of its fungibility problems)

[3] - it's still a public blockchain so there is full recourse to third party services for resolution of problems (payments that got mistakenly sent to wrong addresses, etc)

This is a massive potential front door to adoption for Dash, (but not by re-inventing the 'social media wheel', rather by providing tools which enhance the capability of the existing ones).

(Meanwhile, in other payment-platform news: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/walmart-launches-proprietary-mobile-payment-system-called-walmart-pay-2015-12-10)
legendary
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Even when i do internet banking these days they have implemented a message / chat system that let me contact my bank directly.
Lets face it, blockchain techn and the use of digital wallets will be subject to a lot of innovation the next decade. Lets just keep an open mind, no reason why security (on blockchain and wallet level) and social media / social contacts / social messaging can not go together. Whether you want to use it is something else entirely (i never use facebook but appearently millions of ppl do)
legendary
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I think there should be a focus on implementing certain social media exspects into the wallet as that will gain mainstraim adoption far more easy.

But think: what is the number one barrier to adoption in bitcoin ?

It isn't convenience, it's security. Ask any potential adopter what they think of bitcoin and the first think they'll mention is MtGox. They won't be complaining about the lack of a social media tool integrated in their wallet. They WANT it to be difficult to pay someone, not easy because that enhances their sense of security.

Facebook plugin for social media IMO. Wallets are wallets.
hero member
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Crypto Card - https://platinum.crypto.com/r/28cz7d
Had a dream, that DASH prive went straight to 0.014 in a night! 
legendary
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I think there should be a focus on implementing certain social media exspects into the wallet as that will gain mainstraim adoption far more easy. I also think future develepment of blockchain technology will focus in time also on social media and how to integrate that into blockchain technology. I even think Dash Evolution itself is also going that direction with the third tier approach and the ability to interact with users far more easy by exchanging public keys and sending tokens (fiat or crypto) directly between users with the click of a button. We just need to figure out what media exspects are important and convert the wallet towards a Dash regnoniceable wallet.
legendary
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It looks like it has legs, like others that have already replied, I will have to check it out.

I don't think I like this idea at all as I'm not sure how well a facebook metaphor sits with a money-wallet metaphor. They may be oil and water.

It feels kind of weird having 'friend' references (a social 'outreach' function) inside your wallet (a 'security') function.

I think the presentation needs to be very different to avoid it looking like a social tool. That doesn't preclude the pursuit of the 'social wallet', it just implements it with financial and security priorities, not social media ones. A regular online banking interface does have aliases for payee bank accounts but they are presented in a very different way, i.e. very soberly as part of the payments function of the wallet. Then you need card readers and all sorts to actually make use of it. The emphasis is keeping money IN your wallet, whereas the emphasis of the Facebook metaphor is making it easy to flow OUT. Not necessarily a good thing in a money-management tool and many will just run a mile from it.

I think this needs a whole lot more thought than just throwing together a few metaphors from social media tools. It's a brand new concept and needs its own approach where each priority (monetary security, social media security, convenience and general appeal) needs to be thought through and implemented independently so they are not in conflict.

IMO a much better approach for integrating social media and peer to peer payments is by building a facebook plugin that just lets people make payments from their regular social media tools if they want to.

I think a wallet should be a wallet and be unambiguously built with security priorities, otherwise it just looks unprofessional and crass - something made for 12 year old kids.

(P.S. "Chat" + "Wallet" = Absolute No-no & disaster waiting to happen IMHO. You don't want to be chatting while performing critical payment operations and people have a gazillion chat tools that they'd rather use anyway. I would "g.t.t.f. off it  Wink  )

sr. member
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Quantum entangled and jump drive assisted messages
Hey, fellow krypto hoomernz! (Sorry, I'm not the replacement troll.)
I'm checkin' out https://www.bitebi9.com. There's a DASH/CNY pair there, but it's not listed among the exchanges under your Coinmarketcap entry.
Anyone using it? [Tee hee . . . looks exactly like Cryptsy!]
Mark
This is Cryptsy fallen through a crack in time from the future  Grin
And I correct in thinking that exchanges have their own proprietary code and do not let anyone see it?
otherwise if people saw the price plotting code they could manipulate the market price easier.
 
Although, Cryptsy do operate as a francise so they must have hired out the interface, do you think the withdrawal problems are included in the package deal or do they come extra?
legendary
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Hey, fellow krypto hoomernz! (Sorry, I'm not the replacement troll.)

I'm checkin' out https://www.bitebi9.com. There's a DASH/CNY pair there, but it's not listed among the exchanges under your Coinmarketcap entry.

Anyone using it? [Tee hee . . . looks exactly like Cryptsy!]

Mark


wow.... this is absolutely weird, its almost exact copy with different color 
i hope it last longer than chrypsy  Cheesy

am checking with the chinese if they can access (that would be amazing)
i never head of them
legendary
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Hey, fellow krypto hoomernz! (Sorry, I'm not the replacement troll.)

I'm checkin' out https://www.bitebi9.com. There's a DASH/CNY pair there, but it's not listed among the exchanges under your Coinmarketcap entry.

Anyone using it? [Tee hee . . . looks exactly like Cryptsy!]

Mark


wow.... this is absolutely weird, its almost exact copy with different color 
i hope it last longer than chrypsy  Cheesy
IMZ
legendary
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Hey, fellow krypto hoomernz! (Sorry, I'm not the replacement troll.)

I'm checkin' out https://www.bitebi9.com. There's a DASH/CNY pair there, but it's not listed among the exchanges under your Coinmarketcap entry.

Anyone using it? [Tee hee . . . looks exactly like Cryptsy!]

Mark
sr. member
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Hey.... Wait a minute... Where the hell are our trolls?   Cry

I'm viewing them as members of our community.  They forced DASH to become better by harping on flaws.

They may be clowns, but they will always have a fond place in my heart.

Come back trolls!!!

Either you're on some kind of newfangled drug that I want, or you've found religion, LOL.  You used to get sooooooooooooooo angry, I was worried about your blood pressure, remember?  LOL

::hugs::

Well, absence makes the heart grow fonder.  Smiley
legendary
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Hi all,

After I read some troll here badmouth darksend mixing, I decided to finally "hit the button" and see what happens. It works! I tried two rounds with 100 Dash, and after a few hours it completed (it stopped at 99.9 Dash for some reason). I then went back and added another round, and again, it just worked. It's kind of addicting mixing coins.

My question is this: if I used three rounds, and each round employs three other users, when I spend these coins, anyone looking at the blockchain can only know the coins originated from one of 64 possible users (four to the power of three). Is that right? Thanks.

- G

Yes, the reason for multiple rounds is so that it's less likely that you hit a malicious masternode, keeping tabs on you but also, so that, if you spend your coins in clumps together, and they can then be traced to you, you could only follow that back to the last round you did, then it's all mush again.  Thus, you're safe from other participant's spending, and they're safe from yours Smiley
legendary
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i agree
super painful

sure a monthly QnA with the Dec Team would be great, but honestly a ton of work !
i do not think we have the staff for that yet.

i think we stick to our plan for now
and consider this in the future maybe
hero member
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Dash at LaBitConf 2015 in Mexico. [My unofficial video-interpretation]

Starring:
Evan Duffield, Gabriel Kurman, Erik Voorhees, and Andreas Antonopoulos.




I just want to compare the DASH video effort above to other coin's efforts at outreach.  Not to pick on anyone (OK, maybe), but here is another attempt.  Be sure to watch at least the first 3 minutes.  Pure comedy gold.




Oh man that was painful.  I got dizzy with the camera constantly switching and annoyed with the audio cutting out and background noises for people that didn't put themselves on mute.  There is no reason for this!

Ok that was pretty funny.  But let's not say we are awesome because others are ...."not even close to awesome"...  We need to compare ourselves to a full production movie or something way above our investment level so we can get better.
full member
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Dash at LaBitConf 2015 in Mexico. [My unofficial video-interpretation]

Starring:
Evan Duffield, Gabriel Kurman, Erik Voorhees, and Andreas Antonopoulos.




I just want to compare the DASH video effort above to other coin's efforts at outreach.  Not to pick on anyone (OK, maybe), but here is another attempt.  Be sure to watch at least the first 3 minutes.  Pure comedy gold.



hero member
Activity: 826
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Anybody know if a merchant accepting crypto transactions requires PCI Compliance?  Looks like to accepting credit cards it is required.

http://www.pcicomplianceguide.org/
That is a payment card security standard. There is no reason why a merchant accepting any digital currency would need PCI compliance... they aren't handling any sensitive data (it is all on the blockchain anyway, so nothing to protect).
Thanks.  Yet another reason for merchants to accept Dash.  No credit card % fees, no credit card per transaction fee, no pci compliance, no monthly charges for the credit card machine, no chargebacks, no handling of cash and getting $1/coins for change.
member
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Welcome to 15 Mill
http://coinmarketcap.com


DASH - once called DarkCoin - during it's 1st BIG peak hit 38 Mil, I do believe
but we only had 4 Mil in coins
For DASH to achieve the same level in market cap., we'd need to hit 57 Mil in market cap. with 6 Mil coins today

just sayin but - overall - lookin good :-D
legendary
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