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Quote from: illodin on October 31, 2015, 05:53:49 PM

The "issue" is people who missed the cheap coins are jelly and butt hurt.

That's not the issue because the same can be said for other coins which don't get the same negative reaction.

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That is also the reason why banks are interested in "blockchain" and not in buying Bitcoins from the early adopters

Some people are trying to do that sure, and I'm not sure there is one reason for it either. Some probably want features and characteristics (for example some forms of regulatory compliance, a different security model, etc.) that Bitcoin doesn't offer. I see at the same time a lot of people not terribly concerned about the price being too high and building businesses and services on and around Bitcoin right now.

Now I don't really see that with any alt, with the possibly exception of Ethereum, but at least in the case of Bitcoin and a few other coins, people don't come to it with an additional negative perception that encourages building something else or going elsewhere as they do with Dash.

But if you really believe 'jelly' is a dominant factor, then Dash is screwed either way. You can't wish away the 'jelly' factor any more than you can wish away the 'instamine scam' disgust factor. It is still part of human nature, even if, again, you, illodin don't consider it the right way to think.

If the model is fatally broken, and it is, then it doesn't matter exactly why. Same outcome.

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Announcement

Coin price ticker

Added support for exchange Poloniex for coin Dash.

Coin price ticker supports two exchanges(Bittrex and Poloniex) for Dash.

Also new
The navigation menu is coin based in stead of exchange based.

Go to play store to download: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=wiskunde.nl.coinpriceticker&hl=nl

Sincerely,

Wiskunde

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Quote from: smooth on October 31, 2015, 05:39:54 PM

Quote from: illodin on October 31, 2015, 05:04:17 PM

Why do you insist it's Dash's responsibility to change whether people view Bitcoin as ponzi or not?

Dash has enough transparency. If you're demanding to know how much each dev owns for example then sorry, I'm afraid it's not gonna happen.

Fairness - very subjective. Life is not fair. Miss the lunch and you miss the lunch. Don't buy cheap and miss the profits. There's always someone to complain about something.

Highest standard of ethics - is that standard defined by you?

Look if you want to deny the issue exists and personalize it as being all about this insignificant smooth guy (or some even smaller coin Monero), that's your prerogative. But the fact is that people who look at Dash see a massive instamine scam as one of the defining characteristics. That devtome investigation had nothing to do with me or Monero (or to my knowledge AdamWhite, etc.). Several of the threads about the instamine had nothing to do with Monero (some predate it). If you talk to people in the crypto community who have nothing to do with either coin if they've heard of it, they are well aware of the "darkcoin instamine" and think it is very shady and a holdover from the worst era of altcoin scams, whether you illodin, think so or not, and whether that is even fair or not.

There is no way the stigma is ever going away. All that pushing this project is doing now is making crypto look bad. There is talent in this project, sure, but it's being wasted on a coin that is essentially a dead end beyond the small altcoin world.

The "issue" is people who missed the cheap coins are jelly and butt hurt. That is the human nature. That is also the reason why banks are interested in "blockchain" and not in buying Bitcoins from the early adopters. It is an issue that affects emotional "investors" and speculators. It is not an issue that affects users. At some point it's possible people will be using cryptos without even realizing they are using it. Will they care a small % of the world's population mined a lot of coins early or bought them cheap? If you get paid in dollars and use it to buy food do you care someone printed them for free?

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Quote from: smooth on October 31, 2015, 05:41:16 PM

Quote from: Macrochip on October 31, 2015, 05:38:26 PM

One more farewell post or more insecure trolling?

Sincere criticism is not trolling. There may be nothing Dash can do to erase its disastrous history, and that ultimately will likely lead to its demise, but there are things it can do now to avoid making matters even worse, which include not trying to hide the disastrous history.

I knew it: More insecure trolling it is then.

Nothing of what you wrote for the last few hours has been sincere. Your only talking point is the trillion times explained and beaten to death and beyond "instamine". You have no other topic. This makes you insincere and dishonest. Sane people hold conversations by acknowledging arguments from the other side. You on the other hand have either obsessive compulsive disorder or are a sociopath as your post history clearly shows to any rational observer.

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Quote from: smooth on October 31, 2015, 05:29:07 PM

Quote from: MasterMined710 on October 31, 2015, 05:24:23 PM

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I'm a member of the crypto community and an owner of DASH posting on an open forum.

And your point is?

oh nothing, welcome to DASH my friend.
if you need help setting up a masternode we have plenty of people and services to help.

Masternode start-many Guide
https://dashtalk.org/threads/masternode-start-many-guide.2990/

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Quote from: Macrochip on October 31, 2015, 05:38:26 PM

One more farewell post or more insecure trolling?

Sincere criticism is not trolling. There may be nothing Dash can do to erase its disastrous history, and that ultimately will likely lead to its demise, but there are things it can do now to avoid making matters even worse, which include not trying to hide the disastrous history.

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Quote from: illodin on October 31, 2015, 05:04:17 PM

Why do you insist it's Dash's responsibility to change whether people view Bitcoin as ponzi or not?

Dash has enough transparency. If you're demanding to know how much each dev owns for example then sorry, I'm afraid it's not gonna happen.

Fairness - very subjective. Life is not fair. Miss the lunch and you miss the lunch. Don't buy cheap and miss the profits. There's always someone to complain about something.

Highest standard of ethics - is that standard defined by you?

Look if you want to deny the issue exists and personalize it as being all about this insignificant smooth guy (or some even smaller coin Monero), that's your prerogative. But the fact is that people who look at Dash see a massive instamine scam as one of the defining characteristics. That devtome investigation had nothing to do with me or Monero (or to my knowledge AdamWhite, etc.). Several of the threads about the instamine had nothing to do with Monero (some predate it). If you talk to people in the crypto community who have nothing to do with either coin if they've heard of it, they are well aware of the "darkcoin instamine" and think it is very shady and a holdover from the worst era of altcoin scams, whether you illodin, think so or not, and whether that is even fair or not.

There is no way the stigma is ever going away. All that pushing this project is doing now is making crypto look bad. There is talent in this project, sure, but it's being wasted on a coin that is essentially a dead end beyond the small altcoin world.

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Quote from: smooth on October 31, 2015, 05:31:50 PM

At this point I don't know that there is anything Dash can do. The cryptocoin community just needs to move on to coins that don't have it's baggage, which in time I'm confident will happen, just as the Bitcoin community moved on from most of the worst scams and frauds.

And there, ladies and gentleman, you have it. The money-quote we've all been waiting for.
Thanks for playing now get the fuck out and never post in this ANN again. Because that is the only conclusion you can draw from your own words. If you want to maintain any illusions of integrity to your name, you must never post in here again, since you firmly believe that DASH will die on its own anyway. No need to for you to point out any of its "flaws" then any more, right? Unless you doubt your own words that is...

So:

One more farewell post or more insecure trolling?

Which is it?

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Quote from: the-baker on October 31, 2015, 05:03:11 PM

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I likewise believe that as long as coins like Dash exist and don't uphold the highest standard of transparency, fairness, and ethics, that will be used to attack crypto generally, setting back the movement overall, rather than helping it. If people even know about coins other than Bitcoin (and possibly Litecoin, maybe Ethereum now), most of what they've heard is that they are a bunch of pump-and-dump premine, instamine, etc. scams and they want nothing to do with it. Dash does not help that cause at all

Hiding behind a bunch of renames and then editing the original parameters and renames out of the OP are not going to fix this problem.

Just out of curiosity: Do you have any specific demands as to what should be changed in Dash so that you can make your peace with it, or is it more a situation where you won't rest until Evan publicly commits seppuku?

Talking about suicide is really hyperbolic. People need to keep things in perspective. We're talking about a tiny little toy coin compared to Bitcoin which is itself a tiny little toy coin compared to the fiat financial system. Let's not get some exaggerated sense of what is at stake here.

At this point I don't know that there is anything Dash can do. The cryptocoin community just needs to move on to coins that don't have it's baggage, which in time I'm confident will happen, just as the Bitcoin community moved on from most of the worst scams and frauds. If you have constructive suggestions though other than "the instamine happened, get over it", or "we'll just delete everything from the OP and make believe it never happened", both of which I truly do not believe is ever going to work, I'm open to hearing them.

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Quote from: MasterMined710 on October 31, 2015, 05:24:23 PM

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I'm a member of the crypto community and an owner of DASH posting on an open forum.

And your point is?

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I'm a member of the crypto community and an owner of DASH posting on an open forum.

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Openbazaar can be available on dash MN?

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Quote from: the-baker on October 31, 2015, 05:03:11 PM

Just out of curiosity: Do you have any specific demands as to what should be changed in Dash so that you can make your peace with it, or is it more a situation where you won't rest until Evan publicly commits seppuku?

I'm asking because your post is actually quite vague. I there were any concrete demands, we could at least have a useful conversation

His only demand is Evan travelling back in time, un-invent Dash and never be heard from again, so Failero can enjoy its 15 minutes in the sun. He hates the fact that it exists, that's his only problem. Incentivized nodes, InstantX, X11, Dark Gravity Wave, Fork-proof network, Self-sufficient development, Decentralized Governance. God damnit, that's just too much innovation to handle if your own little backroom hobby project doesn't even have a shitty GUI. Acting "concerned" about "poor investors" just doesn't cut it credibility-wise, though.

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I likewise believe that as long as coins like Dash exist and don't uphold the highest standard of transparency, fairness, and ethics, that will be used to attack crypto generally, setting back the movement overall, rather than helping it. If people even know about coins other than Bitcoin (and possibly Litecoin, maybe Ethereum now), most of what they've heard is that they are a bunch of pump-and-dump premine, instamine, etc. scams and they want nothing to do with it. Dash does not help that cause at all

Why do you insist it's Dash's responsibility to change whether people view Bitcoin as ponzi or not?

Dash has enough transparency. If you're demanding to know how much each dev owns for example then sorry, I'm afraid it's not gonna happen.

Fairness - very subjective. Life is not fair. Miss the lunch and you miss the lunch. Don't buy cheap and miss the profits. There's always someone to complain about something.

Highest standard of ethics - is that standard defined by you?

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Hiding behind a bunch of renames and then editing the original parameters and renames out of the OP are not going to fix this problem.

There's only so much that an OP can contain, and if a project has developments happening it becomes impossible to drag the whole history in that one post while keeping it up to date. It's entirely possible it's not always about "hiding" something.

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I likewise believe that as long as coins like Dash exist and don't uphold the highest standard of transparency, fairness, and ethics, that will be used to attack crypto generally, setting back the movement overall, rather than helping it. If people even know about coins other than Bitcoin (and possibly Litecoin, maybe Ethereum now), most of what they've heard is that they are a bunch of pump-and-dump premine, instamine, etc. scams and they want nothing to do with it. Dash does not help that cause at all

Hiding behind a bunch of renames and then editing the original parameters and renames out of the OP are not going to fix this problem.

Just out of curiosity: Do you have any specific demands as to what should be changed in Dash so that you can make your peace with it, or is it more a situation where you won't rest until Evan publicly commits seppuku?

I'm asking because your post is actually quite vague. I there were any concrete demands, we could at least have a useful conversation

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Quote from: AdamWhite on October 31, 2015, 04:28:35 PM

Again...Now...my question: I'm interested in what your investing/holding or using to do commerce with. Using your sense of morality as you claim, what passes as meeting this most high bar of excellence you preach about?

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Smooth...don't twist what I'm saying. I told you I agree with you on Bitcoin. It is miles ahead of all alts for adoption and I agree having Bitcoin as a strong central crypto for trade is a good thing. What I was referring to is your insistent bashing of our currancy. You know exactly what you are doing and you are baiting people on here with your strategy of fudding and trolling. everyone knows about the instamine here...and other then a bunch of us crypto nerds hanging out in these forums it means NOTHING.

We, the alt coin community, are looking like a bunch of clowns. So...I'm done responding to you and your cronies now very obvious strategy of trolling us and going to talk about something more productive. I've given you ample chances to prove you are above the fray...you've continually disappointed. I feel very sad for crypto....sad indeed.

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As long as there are ~~individuals like you~~ scams like Dash in this space...no crypto has a future. Shame.

FTFY

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Someone asked for "on-topic"?

Edit: Two more, because I'm having so much fun with this

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Quote from: AdamWhite on October 31, 2015, 04:14:24 PM

Not answering the question again....typical

Again...Now...my question: I'm interested in what your investing/holding or using to do commerce with. Using your sense of morality as you claim, what passes as meeting this most high bar of excellence?

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