Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 2316. (Read 9723858 times)

I certainly do not concur.

Absolutely nothing about Dash is centralised and corporate as vertoe suggests. It's his opinion, amongst many. He is entitled to it, but that does not make it the truth.

Evan wanted to merge with Shadowcash, to get even more talent into the team. Community voted no, he was bummed but respected it. Every solution Evan solved, is always in decentralised grounds, except for some necessary development steps (closed-source Darksend, spork, reference node, etc)

Anyone can fork Dash. They only need to convince user and miners. Heck, not even fork the project, just not update to the latest version. The longest chain wins.

vertoe alerted Evan on numerous occasions on XYZ problems on testnet, and warned not to roll-out to mainnet. Many times, the newest version did roll out. Many times we forked and had to spork back. But the vast majority of times the cause of the forks had nothing to do with vertoe's warnings. And more often than not, the mainnet fork led to even greater ideas.

For months vertoe was growing unsatisfied with his lack of voice. He felt unheard and started growing disgruntled. vertoe clearly wanted to continue the subversive route, Evan always wanted a clean and open platform.

vertoe felt stabbed in the back when the Foundation was announced. His final straw was the rebrand.

 Dash being a crypto-paypal is pure demagogy.

 What is true is that Evan is leading the project. What is true is all the devs are following his main master branch and submitting to it. What is true is there is a vision of a concrete objective. This is Evan's baby, no questions about it - that is certainly not synonym of centralisation.

True decentralisation is opening a github with only

1 - print "Hello World"

and then asking the community to do something. I'd like to see how fast and how many forks would occur.

Furthermore, vertoe left in a highly unethical and childish manner. His contributions were fabulous, but he has absolutely no moral grounds to come here and post anything about Dash, except in his own defence for anything said about him.

He is perfectly entitled to have his opinion, but not to state it as actual fact.

Dash is now the best time to release the animated video. Bitcoin is dying, being born from the ashes Dash. Please hurry up a little bit more ...

No one really cares about you participating just to pump and dump.

ITS OVER
Dash scam has ran long enough, no fresh money because everyone has been burnt while big players here cashed out the btc..many times.

TANTE PLEASE STOP BEGGING FOR MORE FUNDS YOU HAVE BEEN HERE FROM DAY ONE, IM SURE YOU HAVE MADE PLENTY. WHY ARE YOU SO CONCERNED NOW? DO YOU FEEL OTHER COINS ARE FUNDING THEIR DEV BETTER THAN DASH SUPPORTERS?
 PEOPLE ARE LOSING MONEY ON THIS SCAM AND YOU WANT MORE OF THEIR HARD EARNED CASH...WHY DONT YOU TELL YOUR DEV TEAM TO SELL SOME OF THE 600K COINS THEY GOT ....FROM DAY 1 !!! WHICH ARE USED TO PROP UP THE MN COUNT TO KEEP YOU GUYS HAPPY AND GIVE THE MN SCAM FREE FUNDS. VERY SAD SCENE HERE NOWADAYS WHEN ITS JUST THE SAME 4-5 PEOPLE POSTING OVER AND OVER.

I think you need to add Vertoe taking over Cachecoin as a threat.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400389.2300  He has intimate knowledge of DASH, is an excellent developer, and is really angry with Evan.  Those three variables make them a huge threat to DASH in my opinion.

I have a group of dev's that have been working on a service for over a year and just not getting around to growing the integration.   I've reached out Evan about the service and haven't heard back.   People say they want it easy but then they actually have to make the steps to become easy.   From my first day in crypto I HATED public keys.   They will always be the #1 turnoff for anyone.   As soon as they see them,  they turn off and move on.   Its just too confusing.    Before the great INET, we had BBS's and those BBSs had telephone numbers.   No one remembered the number but they remembered the name.    DNS for websites did the same and buying a domain name was might more expensive than today.    Now take that and apply it to crypto.    (Did I mention I HATE public keys.)

OneName.io ties, but I don't feel it has any legs.   Namecoin tried but thats really just the datastore and not the end game.   I've made investments in NMC, Ether, and MAIDSafe in hopes they will provide the backend for a fully distributed and easy to use datastore.   Right now, thats not the case.

I've created a service with a group of devs called "Vanikey".    Its pretty much a DNS for public keys and we can grow it from there.    Single Vanikey can be associated to ANY coin or hash and you can have just one Vanikey for many public keys for the same coin.    We built the service on an elastic infrastructure so we know it can scale but this is only short term,   it looks centralized but we hope to get it distributed as it grows.   Just about done with the SSL implementation...

Right now we implementing the service inside the Bitcoin QT wallet.    Just about done, totally secure, but this is just a demo of how we can use it.    John can pay Susan.   Pretty simple stuff.   We don't need EMAILS to mark our online identity..     We don't even need a username and password...   We just need something easy to use and understand.   

SO.  My ask.  I would like to use this service with DASH and get things moving.   Right now we charge to register a Vanikey ($6) but we can skip that for the DASH community.   We have developers that can help fill any holes or issues the group feels need to be fixed and we also have resources to help integrate the services into any other system that is out there.      We are also working with Factom as a 3rd party to show that any key served up by our services has not been modified.     

We can even use the DASH QT wallet to create the Vanikey so you never have to use our site.    Looking for the BEST solution for the end user.    Why can't John just pay Susan.   This whole Xazjg6a7dt7uUtE1FGhxaRAaSvR7QVA2p! pays Xazjg6a7dt7uUtE1FGhxaRAaSvR7QVA33 is just crap.    You don't have to stop being private when you want to but for god sakes, I'm just talking about your PUBLIC keys.   You have public keys on your tags and you sites have them as donation links.   these should all be readable and thats it.    I want to donate to the dash foundation.   ok,  send 5 DASH to DashFoundation.    simple.   

Please check out our site and our FAQ.   I'll be posting the QT wallet video and all the code required to integrate once complete.    Please reach out if you have questions.      This entire project had no funding and we have not asked for a dime.   Right now I'm looking for your thoughts on how to make things easier and if Vanikey feels like a fit, then we remove the cost of registering for Dash users,   we put some dev resources to help integrate it, and become the FIRST crypto to use a name lookup service that will work not only for one coin but for all coins.

Thanks guys.   website =  www.vanikey.com

hit me up,   [email protected]

Til later!    Also, I am happy to be a part of this community and have 7 MNs and very close to adding another 3.   

Tante, you ask some excellent questions and give us much food for thought!

It may be helpful to put these things in context, though, by pointing out that nobody in the open source community has solved these issues. Up until very recently, one poorly-funded person was managing SSL. Countless Fortune 500 companies use SSL to make untold billions of dollars, but virtually none of them have ever invested a dime in the project. Even Linux--the backbone of many corporate systems around the world--is poorly funded and maintained largely by its creator (who is paid) and numerous volunteers.

If the open source projects that the entire IT community rely on are so poorly funded and maintained by amateur volunteers, it's not surprise that the open source crypto community should find that to be true as well.

Perhaps somebody who knows more about the open source movement and has worked with other open source projects can give us their thoughts on how to maintain Dash in a poorly-funded, post-Evan, volunteer-only world.

(N.B. One major difference between crypto and Linux or SSL is that the devs of crypto currencies usually own quite a bit of it, which means they are actually incentivized by the growth in value of their coin that results from their development efforts. If Evan hypothetically owned 100k Dash, he would be very motivated to continue full time on this project for a very long time, as his efforts will greatly increase the value of his holdings.)

Hey DASH community~

Great chart. My team is considering investing in a BIG way. Just need to see the plan for adoption. The plan for utility is good via the dash and ann features (and soon the 2FA); however, the actual business plan is hard to find. If I missed something, can a Sr member, point me in the correct direction? Just trying to determine the future usage rate plan to determine a fair price to buy.... Thanks in Advance.


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BTC 4-Hour chart now tipping to downside.

Where this lands may be the fork in the road for Bitcoin. If it breaks down past 200-210 then we may be on course to setting a new low.

On the other hand if it completes the 4-hour correction without doin that then it's yet another successful retest and will start to look like it might be bucking the trend of the last year finally.

I certainly do not concur.

Absolutely nothing about Dash is centralised and corporate as vertoe suggests. It's his opinion, amongst many. He is entitled to it, but that does not make it the truth.

Evan wanted to merge with Shadowcash, to get even more talent into the team. Community voted no, he was bummed but respected it. Every solution Evan solved, is always in decentralised grounds, except for some necessary development steps (closed-source Darksend, spork, reference node, etc)

Anyone can fork Dash. They only need to convince user and miners. Heck, not even fork the project, just not update to the latest version. The longest chain wins.

vertoe alerted Evan on numerous occasions on XYZ problems on testnet, and warned not to roll-out to mainnet. Many times, the newest version did roll out. Many times we forked and had to spork back. But the vast majority of times the cause of the forks had nothing to do with vertoe's warnings. And more often than not, the mainnet fork led to even greater ideas.

For months vertoe was growing unsatisfied with his lack of voice. He felt unheard and started growing disgruntled. vertoe clearly wanted to continue the subversive route, Evan always wanted a clean and open platform.

vertoe felt stabbed in the back when the Foundation was announced. His final straw was the rebrand.

 Dash being a crypto-paypal is pure demagogy.

 What is true is that Evan is leading the project. What is true is all the devs are following his main master branch and submitting to it. What is true is there is a vision of a concrete objective. This is Evan's baby, no questions about it - that is certainly not synonym of centralisation.

True decentralisation is opening a github with only

1 - print "Hello World"

and then asking the community to do something. I'd like to see how fast and how many forks would occur.

Furthermore, vertoe left in a highly unethical and childish manner. His contributions were fabulous, but he has absolutely no moral grounds to come here and post anything about Dash, except in his own defence for anything said about him.

He is perfectly entitled to have his opinion, but not to state it as actual fact.

This, finally some sense, thank you for your blunt honesty it is a breath of fresh air.