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Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 2322. (Read 9723858 times)

legendary
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Exactly. It is a strawman argument to compare Bitcoin in year 6 to DASH in year 2 when it comes to the development situation......sour grapes or a contrary agenda.

LoL. Or maybe Vertoe just hasn't spent 25 odd years witnessing all the incoherent trainwrecks that are "enforced consensual innovation"  Cheesy
legendary
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Well, if you want to include them in the code you'll have to go through the standard github process. What I'm saying is that the foundation has absolutely no say in that.

Thanks Fernando.

Just to clarify,

* I think the name change was necessary for mass adoption and the branding was eventually a fantastic outcome - genius in fact, provided the cash approach stays.

* Can DASH compete with Bitcoin? 100%. $3 > $500 / DASH is not out of the question.

* Is the current tech approach a good one? 100%. Cash is going out of fashion in the Western World. Mobile payment systems are forcing it out. People like cash, so digital cash is a winning formula - genius in fact.

 > I can now go on the London Underground and tap my bank card to get access to the metro network. No need to buy a ticket, just swipe my card. Sounds great. But, there is one big issue, my bank card is tracked by the London Underground network people. That means, anyone with a warrant can, and probably has, obtained access to me, my personal details, and my complete banking history. Great utility being able to swipe, pay and go. Bollocks implementation - but hey, 'if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, right?' See, bollocks.

> DASH on mobile, with scan and instant pay means all the utility of instant digital cash, none of the bollocks.

* Keep focus on this goal. It's a great one. It's the mass adoption thing that has me concerned. I know it sounds like a contradiction, but its not: Its not what you do, its the way that you do it.
hero member
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That was pretty sneaky, Vertoe! Don't tease us like this! Don't let that be the last post we see from you.

We could use you back, man. Dash is a Digital Cash that can be used for anything, and you can have a hand in making it happen. Also, there is a fund for developers now. Keep that in mind.

Take your time, though, if you need to.

I was posting it because it is a very interesting pull request from a technological perspective. I'm surprised to see udjin did a dirty merge of the bitcoin master (which is not 0.10.0 but 0.10.99 btw) and it seems to work out. I've been waiting to see the 0.12 wallet. Will test it.

But I have to disappoint you, I will not return or contribute to darkcoin as long as it is nothing more than a company selling a product. And I dont want to offend anyone when I say I simply have to smile when I see that darkcoin wants to take on bitcoin. Bitcoin is a consensus protocol specification, a team of developers maintaining a reference implementation, miners sustaining the consensus throughout the network and a democratic foundation which does nothing than public relations.

Darkcoin has none of this and should take the time to learn why it's important to support decentralization over corporate-like behaviour, why it's important to achieve a network consensus by miners not developers and why it's important to have democratic fallback infrastructure in place in case there are disputes without consensus. darkcoin is competion for paypal, not bitcoin. corporations can fail. cryptocurrencies cant. mistrust authority, promote decentralization.


hero member
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Bitcoin is a consensus protocol specification, a team of developers maintaining a reference implementation,

Is has that now but it didn't when Satoshi was creating it. It was essentially a one-man-show (albeit with increasing levels of participation from others as it evolved.)

Exactly. It is a strawman argument to compare Bitcoin in year 6 to DASH in year 2 when it comes to the development situation. If you want to complain, there are other things one can legitimately dislike about this project -- but criticizing this coin because it still primarly based around the goals of one person when it is only 18 months old reeks of sour grapes or a contrary agenda.
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You are silently dumping !

Who you Terzobot?

Are you dumping right now ?

lol me no. Not much volume to be calling "dumping" anyway.

Why am I talking to a bot?

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* Approach the foundation.....I guess that is what we are talking about.

* Create apps - there was a pretty big decision last summer to steer clear of apps in the medium-term and maintain focus on currency development, in particular mobile. I 100% agreed with that and still do. Distractions now would be just that, distractions from the primary goal from last summers decision on the mobile front.

* The mass adoption issue is a slightly different issue. There are overlaps, but for now its a Foundation direction and contribution to direction discussion, IMO.

So the foundation is busy with currency development  - good.

Distractions? Depends how much of the work we do. If it's a pull request to allow our qt extension and that doesn't infringe on privacy and security but adds to the scope of the currency - why frakking not.

3rd party apps are open to go for.  And by talking about this here expect [PREANN] ExtendaCoin™ with moon worthy QT extensionStore™.



I think you are giving the foundation too much weight. That probably comes from Evan leading it and the dev team. Truth is, the foundation was created to represent Dash/Darkcoin when a legal entity was needed and support the development of the coin in any way we devised, but that has not happened yet. In the meantime the board of the foundation, in which I serve, is just another discussion forum of a few volunteers, one of which is Evan.

Some of us do other things for Dash besides being in the foundation, but they are not foundation actions, they are ours. We, the foundation board, are just a bunch of guys trying to help. Our members have trusted us with some funds in exchange for being members and we still need to come with a plan to use them in the best possible way to help Dash. If you need to change something in the code the foundation has absolutely no say in that.



Thank you for clarifying fernando.

There you have it coins.. nothing stopping anyone from contributing/make their own services/etc.

Well, if you want to include them in the code you'll have to go through the standard github process. What I'm saying is that the foundation has absolutely no say in that.
hero member
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* Approach the foundation.....I guess that is what we are talking about.

* Create apps - there was a pretty big decision last summer to steer clear of apps in the medium-term and maintain focus on currency development, in particular mobile. I 100% agreed with that and still do. Distractions now would be just that, distractions from the primary goal from last summers decision on the mobile front.

* The mass adoption issue is a slightly different issue. There are overlaps, but for now its a Foundation direction and contribution to direction discussion, IMO.

So the foundation is busy with currency development  - good.

Distractions? Depends how much of the work we do. If it's a pull request to allow our qt extension and that doesn't infringe on privacy and security but adds to the scope of the currency - why frakking not.

3rd party apps are open to go for.  And by talking about this here expect [PREANN] ExtendaCoin™ with moon worthy QT extensionStore™.



I think you are giving the foundation too much weight. That probably comes from Evan leading it and the dev team. Truth is, the foundation was created to represent Dash/Darkcoin when a legal entity was needed and support the development of the coin in any way we devised, but that has not happened yet. In the meantime the board of the foundation, in which I serve, is just another discussion forum of a few volunteers, one of which is Evan.

Some of us do other things for Dash besides being in the foundation, but they are not foundation actions, they are ours. We, the foundation board, are just a bunch of guys trying to help. Our members have trusted us with some funds in exchange for being members and we still need to come with a plan to use them in the best possible way to help Dash. If you need to change something in the code the foundation has absolutely no say in that.



Thank you for clarifying fernando.

There you have it coins.. nothing stopping anyone from contributing/make their own services/etc.
hero member
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* Approach the foundation.....I guess that is what we are talking about.

* Create apps - there was a pretty big decision last summer to steer clear of apps in the medium-term and maintain focus on currency development, in particular mobile. I 100% agreed with that and still do. Distractions now would be just that, distractions from the primary goal from last summers decision on the mobile front.

* The mass adoption issue is a slightly different issue. There are overlaps, but for now its a Foundation direction and contribution to direction discussion, IMO.

So the foundation is busy with currency development  - good.

Distractions? Depends how much of the work we do. If it's a pull request to allow our qt extension and that doesn't infringe on privacy and security but adds to the scope of the currency - why frakking not.

3rd party apps are open to go for.  And by talking about this here expect [PREANN] ExtendaCoin™ with moon worthy QT extensionStore™.



I think you are giving the foundation too much weight. That probably comes from Evan leading it and the dev team. Truth is, the foundation was created to represent Dash/Darkcoin when a legal entity was needed and support the development of the coin in any way we devised, but that has not happened yet. In the meantime the board of the foundation, in which I serve, is just another discussion forum of a few volunteers, one of which is Evan.

Some of us do other things for Dash besides being in the foundation, but they are not foundation actions, they are ours. We, the foundation board, are just a bunch of guys trying to help. Our members have trusted us with some funds in exchange for being members and we still need to come with a plan to use them in the best possible way to help Dash. If you need to change something in the code the foundation has absolutely no say in that.

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legendary
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Thanks, DefendKebab.

Your sig made me laugh, as well as the 10hour long defend kebab song on youtube.

 Grin Grin Grin

I made that video Wink

Can I buy a kebab with DASH and can you post it to me from Turkey to the UK? Maybe we will make history as it might become a $3,000 kebab  Grin
legendary
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Bitcoin is a consensus protocol specification, a team of developers maintaining a reference implementation,

Is has that now but it didn't when Satoshi was creating it. It was essentially a one-man-show (albeit with increasing levels of participation from others as it evolved).

Darkcoin has none of this and should take the time to learn why it's important to support decentralization over corporate-like behaviour, why it's important to achieve a network consensus by miners not developers and why it's important to have democratic fallback infrastructure in place in case there are disputes without consensus. darkcoin is competion for paypal, not bitcoin. corporations can fail. cryptocurrencies cant.

I think you need to be more specific for that argument to carry any weight because at a purely philosophical level it doesn't hold much water with me at least.

How would a "democratic fallback infrastructure" have worked in this project's favour other than killing potentially smart ideas that didn't have "developer consensus" ? Human innovation never has consensus - that's why there's a flotilla of options to choose from out there in the alt-coin market.

For "democratic fallback infrastructure" you might as well read "corporate subversion by stealth" or "self interested debasement". There are far too few people involved in the creative aspects of such endeavours to have consensus enforced upon them as a rule as if it were some kind of mining algo. Sure it's better that "the vision" carries everyone along with it, acknowledges all contributions fairly and stays open minded, but not at the expense of losing the vision itself.

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Hassan Al-Kebab
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Thanks, DefendKebab.

Your sig made me laugh, as well as the 10hour long defend kebab song on youtube.

 Grin Grin Grin

I made that video Wink
legendary
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Thanks, DefendKebab.

Your sig made me laugh, as well as the 10hour long defend kebab song on youtube.

 Grin Grin Grin
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* Approach the foundation.....I guess that is what we are talking about.

* Create apps - there was a pretty big decision last summer to steer clear of apps in the medium-term and maintain focus on currency development, in particular mobile. I 100% agreed with that and still do. Distractions now would be just that, distractions from the primary goal from last summers decision on the mobile front.

* The mass adoption issue is a slightly different issue. There are overlaps, but for now its a Foundation direction and contribution to direction discussion, IMO.

So the foundation is busy with currency development  - good.

Distractions? Depends how much of the work we do. If it's a pull request to allow our qt extension and that doesn't infringe on privacy and security but adds to the scope of the currency - why frakking not.

3rd party apps are open to go for.  And by talking about this here expect [PREANN] ExtendaCoin™ with moon worthy QT extensionStore™.

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Hassan Al-Kebab
What you will say about the price drop ? Whar would be the floor ?

could be 0.013 otherwise it could retest 0.010 resistance.
legendary
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Plan B:

In terms of why market adoption isn't the be all and end all it's because coins just get dumped for dollars.

The loop that makes up a financial ecosystem needs to be closed. People need to be payed in crypto.

So if someone buys a laptop from Dell coins are dump for dollars but dollars are sold for crypto every month to pay salaries.

If people save a little bit the value of crypto goes up.

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Your spr ideas are fantastic. Pity SPR is in limbo.

Applying those great ideas to DASH:
Buy in from the foundation? Why? Make nodes that can talk with the dash wallet or an extension of sorts. User adds wallet extension to allow your service job done.

Edit: Or don't tie them into a coin. Subscription service pay in dash, doge whatever.

Edit 2: Approach foundation say I want to make third party apps that run on masternodes I need to be able to perform xyz api calls what do we need to do to make this happen?

* SPR is not in limbo

Back on topic.

* Approach the foundation.....I guess that is what we are talking about.

* Create apps - there was a pretty big decision last summer to steer clear of apps in the medium-term and maintain focus on currency development, in particular mobile. I 100% agreed with that and still do. Distractions now would be just that, distractions from the primary goal from last summers decision on the mobile front.

* The mass adoption issue is a slightly different issue. There are overlaps, but for now its a Foundation direction and contribution to direction discussion, IMO.
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