Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 6173. (Read 9724097 times)

I think the whales are lurking, waiting for the market players to get bold with their orders, or fill the orderbook around the 360-400 level that seems relatively stable and then sweep it all. I've been noticing large buy orders at <400 levels and there's too little selling on the whales there (meaning <400) making it more costly for them to acquire the DRKs. 550 though is a point where many have demonstrated their willingness to sell.

The whale, IMO did a mistake in how they went after the pumping. He allowed people to get back in and buy back lower which they used to dump on the whale in the next spike. He should lock everyone out by taking their DRKs and game over for everyone selling. Stabilize the price at increasingly higher levels with buy walls and force everyone to panic buy their way back in - escalating the price further. Just my 2 whale cents

I agree
and honestly we can do without the whales for a bit !
Keep it steady, the markets will show when the next releases are out.
Stocked up a bit before it all hit, and am set for the next round …>>

[Note- i don't know what is chain pooling that you mentioned...]

When someone here ran a script to calculate the rich-list (many pages back), I remember he/she managed to correlate between different addresses as being part of the same wallet.
So if I understand correct, what AlexGR suggested sounds intriguing, but 'hackable'.

My question is- what if we take it further and instead of having the transactions divided between several addresses, it ius divided into several 'wallets' that reside on the same qt, feed from the same blackchain dat, but each having a separate wallet.dat file/keys ?

Yeah -- discussed theoretically, but I don't remember seeing a mention of it in the dev roadmap.


I believe this is how Darksend was initially conceived to work (minus the timing part), but this was changed in the current implementation to a different strategy that allows you to send amounts with arbitrary granularity. So I'm not sure if/how the current implementation gets around timing analyses.

How to get onto the BTCChina project board (and not get struck-off like Doge)



* Tweet the BTCChina account.
* Continue to promote DRK and all it's fab features and technical support
* Keep the exchange volume high (they are an exchange, about to be restricted because of PBOC impact on use of bank accounts)
* If any country needs anonymity, its China
* Work on a China strategy, beyond just having a page translated

* The p2p lending is a great development option for the future. Who likes to tell the world they borrowed money?

Nope, this isn't correction. A lot people got in recent days because they expected Drk countinue growing and give them short term profits. If Drk don't increase any more in next 2-3 weeks, they'll start selling and price will slowly decrease.

I think it was mentioned, in the discussion between evan/anonymint that by darksending it multiple times through a number of nodes it reduces the bad-actor probabilities to a statistically safe degree to solve the issue that the darksend node knows who sends what.


Unless you force people to use 10/1/0.1/0.01 and everything is grouped in batches of that kind and it is stretched out over more time. I think this will be a case of continuous upgrade of the anonymity capabilities (DarkSend 1, 2, 3, 5, 10, 50 etc) with extra features / capabilities / improvements as we go along...

I don't think there's been an official statement about chained pooling being built into Darksend. AFAIK it's just an idea that was tossed around. Personally I think it's necessary for any usable level of anonymity (preferably with the ability to specify whitelisted masternodes).

Agreed. Which would reduce the anonymity of the Darkcoin blockchain to be on par with bitcoin's. I was asking the same questions a while back and never saw a satisfactory answer (unless I'm having a memory fail).

ok -- but with a timing analysis, the number of transactions in (let's say) a 60 second window will be relatively few, so it's not too hard to reconstruct what really happened, especially with uncommon amounts (e.g. I send you 16.023957).

a. I like asking 5y/o questions. I know i seem ignorant at the time... but you wouldn't believe where it brought me in life...

b. I read a FASCINATING article yesterday about Larry Page who is brilliant on one hand, and lacked communication skills on the other hand. I strongly recommend it's read although it is long...
http://www.businessinsider.com/larry-page-the-untold-story-2014-4?op=1
 

For those that didn't notice, the block explorer extraction tab now has links to extraction history charts, f.i. here is the Official Pool's

 Seems the whales indeed found too shallow waters in DRK and moved on.

 Has correction been established? Whats the criteria?

I, for one, hate it when people answer a question with a bunch more shit that makes no sense and doesn't help me. Several examples of it in this thread...

Treat the illness, not the symptom. I aim to fix the underlying lack of understanding, not just respond to the question on the surface, which won't help. When I can't figure out how to do that i solicit further identification of the hole in the knowledge so I can try to fill it.

People hate that.

Evan is the right person to analyze how DarkSend will deal with timing analysis. Personally I had proposed a slide bar that can be used to increase the anonymity level by increasing the laundry depth (number of masternodes the transaction goes through) or/and the time depth of the transaction. I also remember that it was discussed on how there'll be multiple denominating pools like 0.1/1/10/100 etc which would break down even the smaller amounts to similarly sized transactions. I'm not sure what's the current state of development is in terms of laundry depth, batching transactions delay etc.

In an older post of mine I raised a similar issue that if timing analysis can be performed then it's just a matter of time before an alternate blockchain explorer is made that will script-analyze the official and simply provide the "clean" output with certain probabilities.

Btw, I got an idea just now: It would be an interesting twist if one could send to two addresses instead of one, in a single transaction, with the sent amount being broken into two randomly sized parts. For example I send you 16 DRK and you get 5.4 DRK in one address and 10.6 DRK in another. You still got 16 but it's in two addresses so noone can corelate my 16 output and your receiving of ..5.4 and 10.6. If a further layer is added (for practical purposes) to treat these addresses as one (for the sender and receiver) it could also be quite easy to use. Kind of meta-addresses that overlap/include the sending/receiving addresses.

Seems you have a lot of work ahead of you

well before going to the next step in your exterior you should erase the negativity in your interior. Seems you have a lot of work ahead of you.

Are you throwing a tanty?

C'mon, I was just rebuking you for being condescending and refusing to answer a (good) question. Take the criticism and do better next time.

It's great when people try to help out -- but you weren't doing that. You were projecting your difficulty in translating your own knowledge into an answer appropriate for chompy's level of understanding, and basically called him ignorant and didn't answer his question:

"I don't get it. I think you just have a fundamental lack of understanding in how any crypto coin works. I'm not even sure where to start in trying to help you understand. Not an insult... You just don't have enough basic knowledge to have this conversation."

I don't think anyone is angry at you, and chompyZ apparently took no offence. Please do continue to contribute, and try not to be so sensitive to constructive criticism.

Nah, I was foolish. I should know better than to try. Sometimes my optimism gets the best of me, but the hate of humanity is always right there to teach me the lesson, again... This is why I don't contribute; always get attacked for doing it. Fuck humans.

Guys, we are all friends here and I would x1000 rather talk with ANYONE here [regardless their communication skills which I lack as well], than with 'normal' humans on whatsup, fb, etc...

Now I understand the name of what I'm trying to understand - 'Timing Attack'. 10x

Try focusing on what isn't instead of what is, since my what is will not be seen in your perspective

It was not the error it appeared to be. It was the binary declaring that the the locale was not found, not itself. Led to such confuse.