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Quote from: camosoul on April 28, 2014, 03:28:40 AM

It's all in the blockchain... Why monitor?
Not an insult... You just don't have enough basic knowledge to have this conversation.

You are right, so I will give it one last try and lower my question even further -

Right now, I can see the exact balance at this address-
http://explorer.darkcoin.io/address/XbvMksW32pWkJi4epVVfGZ3YheoNF9exRw

After darksend is implemented for every transaction, will I still be able to see the balance at this address and to know when it changes, and by how much?

Thanks, and as promised - no more 5y/o questions from me.

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Quote from: camosoul on April 28, 2014, 03:28:40 AM

Quote from: chompyZ on April 28, 2014, 03:05:29 AM

It then compares the changes that occurred in those addresses in the last 2.5min [from its previous check] and knows exactly who transferred coins to whom.

Because it doesn't know who had them in the first place. It doesn't know if it's the same person sending to self.

Darksend moves in blocks of fixed size and provides change back on new addresses.

The blockchain keeps track of all of that anyway, why does a person have to be NSA? It's all in the blockchain... Why monitor? I don't get it. I think you just have a fundamental lack of understanding in how any crypto coin works. I'm not even sure where to start in trying to help you understand. Not an insult... You just don't have enough basic knowledge to have this conversation.

That's kind of condescending. You could have just said, "an attacker can query the blockchain rather than constantly monitoring balances", and then answered his question. I thought it was a good question -- how does darksend protect against a timing analysis?

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Quote from: chompyZ on April 28, 2014, 03:05:29 AM

It then compares the changes that occurred in those addresses in the last 2.5min [from its previous check] and knows exactly who transferred coins to whom.

Because it doesn't know who had them in the first place. It doesn't know if it's the same person sending to self.

Darksend moves in blocks of fixed size and provides change back on new addresses.

The blockchain keeps track of all of that anyway, why does a person have to be NSA? It's all in the blockchain... Why monitor? I don't get it. I think you just have a fundamental lack of understanding in how any crypto coin works. I'm not even sure where to start in trying to help you understand. Not an insult... You just don't have enough basic knowledge to have this conversation.

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Quote from: show_off on April 28, 2014, 03:00:30 AM

Diff is too high, price is too low better buy it than mine

where do you come from ? What do you pay for 1 kwh power

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Please forgive my shallow question... but if someone could explain me like i'm 5y/o-

Suppose an entity [NSA?] has immense computing power. It checks every 2.5 minutes the balances in EACH possible darkcoin address.
It then compares the changes that occurred in those addresses in the last 2.5min [from its previous check] and knows exactly who transferred coins to whom.

Where do I get it wrong...?
Thank you.

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Diff is too high, price is too low better buy it than mine

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Quote from: LimLims on April 28, 2014, 02:33:41 AM

Quote from: philipmicklon on April 28, 2014, 02:11:05 AM

The signed message should include an expiration timestamp or block number, or should have a limited lifespan

What's the advantage of this?

Quote from: Donho on April 28, 2014, 02:43:14 AM

I think the advantage would be that if the service provider goes rogue and doesn't send you your masternode earnings the Masternode status would be revoked after the lifespan (because you obviously won't renew the signing)

Yes, this was my reasoning. But after thinking this through, its not needed. You can just spend the input to a new address if you need to invalidate the signed authorization for the masternode IP.

Quote from: LimLims on April 28, 2014, 02:33:41 AM

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If masternodes are implemented this way, then hosting the masternodes could become a service and you could give any competent sys-admin your signed message and they could take care of running the nodes for a percentage of the profit.

If I were the NSA I'd be hoping so hard that masternodes could be run as a service like this. Perfect setup for a honeypot or for taking control of a legit service for the purpose of controlling a large % of masternodes.

You're right, LimLims. This could easily result in too much centralization.

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Quote from: LimLims on April 28, 2014, 02:33:41 AM

Quote from: philipmicklon on April 28, 2014, 02:11:05 AM

The signed message should include an expiration timestamp or block number, or should have a limited lifespan

What's the advantage of this?

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If masternodes are implemented this way, then hosting the masternodes could become a service and you could give any competent sys-admin your signed message and they could take care of running the nodes for a percentage of the profit.

If I were the NSA I'd be hoping so hard that masternodes could be run as a service like this. Perfect setup for a honeypot or for taking control of a legit service for the purpose of controlling a large % of masternodes.

I think the advantage would be that if the service provider goes rogue and doesn't send you your masternode earnings the Masternode status would be revoked after the lifespan (because you obviously won't renew the signing)

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Quote from: philipmicklon on April 28, 2014, 02:11:05 AM

The signed message should include an expiration timestamp or block number, or should have a limited lifespan

What's the advantage of this?

Quote

If masternodes are implemented this way, then hosting the masternodes could become a service and you could give any competent sys-admin your signed message and they could take care of running the nodes for a percentage of the profit.

If I were the NSA I'd be hoping so hard that masternodes could be run as a service like this. Perfect setup for a honeypot or for taking control of a legit service for the purpose of controlling a large % of masternodes.

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Quote from: camosoul on April 28, 2014, 12:34:05 AM

How can it be right fucking there, but then I try to run it and it tells me it doesn't fucking exist?

I think the closed source binary has a trollface.jpg in it somewhere...

The compiled darkcoind won't run and gives me an utterly useless error message. The binary declares itself non-existent...

Locales were butthumped so bad they had to be purged and manually generated... Running RC2 binary now.

Debug is seriously ambiguous.

If anyone has a similar issue, well, uh, hope this helps... Maybe? [wet farts]

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A few of my thoughts about masternodes:

The signed message with proof of unspent input should be the only thing required to run a masternode.
The signed message should include the IP authorized to run as the masternode.
The signed message should include an expiration timestamp or block number, or should have a limited lifespan
You should be able to broadcast the signed message from any node via the console.
If masternodes are implemented this way, then hosting the masternodes could become a service and you could give any competent sys-admin your signed message and they could take care of running the nodes for a percentage of the profit.

Of course, these are just ideals. Right now I'm just interested in getting RC2 bug-tested and released. We need pools functional for large amounts ASAP.

Getting Darksend functional for sending 100 - 1000 DRK at a time is top priority.

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Quote from: fra55 on April 28, 2014, 01:27:08 AM

Quote from: caisheng on April 28, 2014, 12:53:27 AM

The miners now competition is fierce, income is not very high.

Of course...network power has more than doubled recently

NetHash is around 28GH. Thats only around 9-10 GH of scrypt hashpower.

So all i understand is that the reward goes down with higher diffculty. If reward goes down and you have to share
it with more users your reward is going down much more than on coins that don´t use dgw.

On current reward and powercost of my mining rig i can buy x2 more coins than mining them.
There should be not a lot of countries in EU you can mine DRK cheaper than buy them.

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Quote from: caisheng on April 28, 2014, 12:53:27 AM

The miners now competition is fierce, income is not very high.

Of course...network power has more than doubled recently

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Quote from: Acidyo on April 28, 2014, 12:53:59 AM

Quote from: caisheng on April 28, 2014, 12:53:27 AM

The miners now competition is fierce, income is not very high.

I went from 3-4 drk/day to 0.8 Sad

I went from 1.5-2/day to I don't even want to figure it out now Cry

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Will Bitcoin Rise Again to $60,000?

Quote from: caisheng on April 28, 2014, 12:53:27 AM

The miners now competition is fierce, income is not very high.

I went from 3-4 drk/day to 0.8 Sad

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The miners now competition is fierce, income is not very high.

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Quote from: falsealarm_bf on April 27, 2014, 11:09:07 PM

FAIR WARNING: All of you guys asking for help to setup Masternodes should consider not running a Masternode. If you have issues deploying the wallet on any machine of any kind, you more than likely won't have the necessary background to fully harden that machine either. Instead of paying to get the wallet deployed only, pay for someone to identify an AMI/image for your or even better harden a long-term public release.

Also don't forget that security has to be an ongoing concern, and starting with a properly hardened image is not the end of it. You will have to daily monitor and remediate where necessary. You will also have to make sure your selected hosting company lives up to its name. You may have a properly secured machine, but it's only as secure as the infrastructure it sits on.

Considering 1K DRK is quite valuable today and likely to be more valuable in the future, don't just drop your Masternode out there in the wild like sitting ducks for script kiddies to compromise. If you get compromised, do not come back to complain about Darkcoin because this one is 99.99% on you (with the minor exception of wallet/client vulnerabilities).

Very good point !!
I would love to do it but after looking into the details i have to admit i am NOT that tech savy and am worried to make mistakes and loose it all !
I suggest for everybody else to be that honest with yourself !
let this be for the pro's out there
(and i am worried about the million posts coming up and asking for help)
….>>

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Quote from: janos666 on April 27, 2014, 10:45:00 PM

Is DarkSend opensource already? Shocked

How could you start a masternode after building darkcoind from a source which doesn't have the reqiured code?

To assure that all the right stuff is there for the binary... Binary declares itself non-existent and I'm trying to figure out why.

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anon@server:~/darkcoin# wget http://www.darkcoin.io/downloads/rc2/darkcoind
--2014-04-28 01:29:46-- http://www.darkcoin.io/downloads/rc2/darkcoind
Resolving www.darkcoin.io (www.darkcoin.io)... 162.252.83.44
Connecting to www.darkcoin.io (www.darkcoin.io)|162.252.83.44|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 56526335 (54M)
Saving to: 'darkcoind'

100%[====================================================================================================================================================>] 56,526,335 5.98MB/s in 6.6s

2014-04-28 01:29:53 (8.11 MB/s) - 'darkcoind' saved [56526335/56526335]

anon@server:~/darkcoin# ls
COPYING INSTALL README.md bitcoin-qt.pro contrib darkcoind doc share src
anon@server:~/darkcoin# chmod 744 darkcoind
anon@server:~/darkcoin# ls -lah
total 54M
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4.0K Apr 28 01:29 .
drwx------ 4 root root 4.0K Apr 27 22:55 ..
drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4.0K Apr 27 22:55 .git
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29 Apr 27 22:55 .gitattributes
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 345 Apr 27 22:55 .gitignore
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.1K Apr 27 22:55 COPYING
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 325 Apr 27 22:55 INSTALL
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.8K Apr 27 22:55 README.md
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15K Apr 27 22:55 bitcoin-qt.pro
drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4.0K Apr 27 22:55 contrib
-rwxr--r-- 1 root root 54M Apr 27 13:17 darkcoind
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K Apr 27 22:55 doc
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4.0K Apr 27 22:55 share
drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4.0K Apr 27 23:16 src
anon@server:~/darkcoin# ./darkcoind
-bash: ./darkcoind: No such file or directory
anon@server:~/darkcoin# strip darkcoind
anon@server:~/darkcoin# ./darkcoind
-bash: ./darkcoind: No such file or directory
anon@server:~/darkcoin# ls -lah
total 6.5M
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4.0K Apr 28 01:31 .
drwx------ 4 root root 4.0K Apr 27 22:55 ..
drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4.0K Apr 27 22:55 .git
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29 Apr 27 22:55 .gitattributes
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 345 Apr 27 22:55 .gitignore
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.1K Apr 27 22:55 COPYING
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 325 Apr 27 22:55 INSTALL
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.8K Apr 27 22:55 README.md
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15K Apr 27 22:55 bitcoin-qt.pro
drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4.0K Apr 27 22:55 contrib
-rwxr--r-- 1 root root 6.4M Apr 28 01:31 darkcoind
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K Apr 27 22:55 doc
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4.0K Apr 27 22:55 share
drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4.0K Apr 27 23:16 src
root@server:~/darkcoin# chmod 755 darkcoind
root@server:~/darkcoin# ./darkcoind
-bash: ./darkcoind: No such file or directory
root@server:~/darkcoin# ls -lah
total 6.5M
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4.0K Apr 28 01:31 .
drwx------ 4 root root 4.0K Apr 27 22:55 ..
drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4.0K Apr 27 22:55 .git
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29 Apr 27 22:55 .gitattributes
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 345 Apr 27 22:55 .gitignore
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.1K Apr 27 22:55 COPYING
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 325 Apr 27 22:55 INSTALL
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.8K Apr 27 22:55 README.md
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15K Apr 27 22:55 bitcoin-qt.pro
drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4.0K Apr 27 22:55 contrib
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6.4M Apr 28 01:31 darkcoind
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K Apr 27 22:55 doc
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4.0K Apr 27 22:55 share
drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4.0K Apr 27 23:16 src
root@server:~/darkcoin# WTF!?

How can it be right fucking there, but then I try to run it and it tells me it doesn't fucking exist?

I think the closed source binary has a trollface.jpg in it somewhere...

The compiled darkcoind won't run and gives me an utterly useless error message. The binary declares itself non-existent...

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You are from :

AU

NZ

NC

This P2POOL http://202.171.65.10:7903/static/ is for you

At 0.9% fees

enjoy !

What setting do I use eg. address?

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Quote from: anonymousxx1503 on April 27, 2014, 10:36:01 PM

Quote from: camosoul on April 27, 2014, 09:31:31 PM

Was about to try my hand at a masternode, but running into the dependencies that don't exist problem... CAn't install dependency because dependency is fake....

Need to install libboost-program-options, but there is no such package.
Need to install libboost-thread, but there is no such package.

My desktop has them installed. apt-get install on the server for the same packages and they don't exist in repo...

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anon@server:~/darkcoin/src# make -f makefile.unix
/bin/sh ../share/genbuild.sh obj/build.h
g++ -O2 -pthread -Wall -Wextra -Wformat -Wformat-security -Wno-unused-parameter -g -DBOOST_SPIRIT_THREADSAFE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/root/darkcoin/src -I/root/darkcoin/src/obj -DUSE_UPNP=0 -DUSE_IPV6=1 -I/root/darkcoin/src/leveldb/include -I/root/darkcoin/src/leveldb/helpers -DHAVE_BUILD_INFO -fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -o darkcoind leveldb/libleveldb.a obj/alert.o obj/version.o obj/checkpoints.o obj/netbase.o obj/addrman.o obj/crypter.o obj/key.o obj/db.o obj/init.o obj/keystore.o obj/main.o obj/net.o obj/protocol.o obj/bitcoinrpc.o obj/rpcdump.o obj/rpcnet.o obj/rpcmining.o obj/rpcwallet.o obj/rpcblockchain.o obj/rpcrawtransaction.o obj/script.o obj/sync.o obj/util.o obj/wallet.o obj/walletdb.o obj/hash.o obj/bloom.o obj/noui.o obj/leveldb.o obj/txdb.o obj/cubehash.o obj/luffa.o obj/aes_helper.o obj/echo.o obj/shavite.o obj/simd.o obj/blake.o obj/bmw.o obj/groestl.o obj/jh.o obj/keccak.o obj/skein.o -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-z,now -Wl,-Bdynamic -l boost_system -l boost_filesystem -l boost_program_options -l boost_thread -l db_cxx -l ssl -l crypto -l miniupnpc -Wl,-Bdynamic -l z -l dl -l pthread /root/darkcoin/src/leveldb/libleveldb.a /root/darkcoin/src/leveldb/libmemenv.a
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lboost_program_options
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lboost_thread
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [darkcoind] Error 1
anon@server:~/darkcoin/src#

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anon@server:~/darkcoin/src# apt-get install libboost-program-options
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package libboost-program-options
anon@server:~/darkcoin/src# apt-get install libboost-thread
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package libboost-thread
anon@server:~/darkcoin/src#

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anon@server:~/darkcoin/src# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
anon@server:~/darkcoin/src#

I know what's missing. I know I have to install it. But it doesn't exist...

I think you can go with libboost-all-dev instead ? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Was a problem with multilib on the 64bit VM image I had. Since the VM is only 512MB RAM, I dumped it for a 32 bit image and it built perfectly. Problem now is that it won't run...

Quote from: hassles and ambiguousness

./darkcoind
terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error'
what(): locale::facet::_S_create_c_locale name not valid
Aborted

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