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The Future Of Work

Off the top of my head:

  • Have this thread locked to all but eduffield and internetape, because it's basically a goatfuck at this point.
  • Move all conversation to darkcointalk forums.
  • Stop putting every little thing to a community vote.  Consider community input carefully, but lead.
  • Recruit "inner circle" to float ideas past before they're presented to the community.  Off the cuff comments or ideas from devs or anyone even loosely associated with the devs MUST be carefully vetted before going public from here on out.
  • Contain official discussion pertaining "marketing and branding" either to a closed or heavily moderated thread on darkcointalk.  Stop discussing these things in public until they're better refined and thought out.  Too many cooks in the kitchen - good intentions all, but very few who know what they're talking about.
  • Contain official discussion pertaining to major changes to the coin or anything tertiary (eg foundation, bounties) to a closed thread on darkcointalk.  Present ideas to the community only after thorough vetting.  Stop discussing these things in public until they're better refined and thought out.
  • Designate or recruit specific individuals for specific tasks - stop crowd sourcing.  Nice idea in principle, chaos in practice.
  • Three different types of information campaigning: white (we claim responsibility), gray (responsibility is ambiguous), black (make it appear as though someone else is responsible).  Each of these can be put to extensive use for this coin.  Leave it to your imagination, but this is one reason marketing must be a closed discussion.
  • Identify target audiences, tailor marketing for each, create products, vet, disseminate.
  • Stop kidding yourselves about how this coin will be used.  Without condoning or condemning, engage all potential target audiences.  Tailor marketing accordingly.
  • Stop entertaining new ideas in regards to logos and branding.  The decision has been made.  Own it.  Get it off the goddamn table as the foremost topic of discussion.

I'd say you got the job!
legendary
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Probably unrelated, but in the last 90mins I have received four small payments, "Mined" as in from a p2pool, of 0.002-0.004 DRK.


Anyone know who this address belongs to? Some p2pool node?

http://explorer.darkcoin.io/address/n1nkPnt7SrTCKjhZHjBDMsPGFmpGfrGvVQ

AAgrrr... the transactions are going OUT, not in! How is this possible? I have not sent any of these!
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The Future Of Work

Why not turn over left over funds to the bounty pool? If you are going to keep the funds, then you should be able to keep a tally of who owns how much and be able to return them even after the pool shuts down. But if you turn funds over to the bounty pool, I am sure folks won't be disappointed as much and you won't look greedy Smiley

as i can gather from your lack of knowledge regarding what i wrote regarding the pool funds, i will, for the sake of publicity, and for the sake of those who have not read through all of this thread...

the funds left on the pool when it closes down, will be used, for happenings at a later date, those who have followed this thread for quite some time, know that i have given away coins left and right, in total aprox 18000 coins have been used for different publicity stunts, so i can tell you, that by taking the funds, and using it for other happenings.. i.e. giving it away.. i will still not be greedy, besides we are talking about accounts that hold values below 0.00000x so the total at current state will be aprox 8 drk when those still mining withdraw their coins...

besides, lotterymining.com was 1 of the first pools to actually send funds to the bounty pool

I didn't leave much behind, but what I left, I'm leaving to you.  My Ubuntu finally taking a crap caused me to get out earlier, LOL.  Can't wait to see what you're up to!
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You are mining on a p2pool, you are not solomining Cheesy
How can you tell this from the block explorer and does this mean using "Simple CPU Mining" software connects you to p2pool without informing you?  Shocked

It makes a little more sense if you look at one of the blocks on the other block explorer. 

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/drk/block.dws?55310.htm

You can see all of the adresses that are being paid out, my address is actually in the list because I am also mining on the p2pool  Grin I've never used this simple CPU miner, I'm assuming you chose to mine "darkcoin" from a gui of some sort.  They must already have it configured to connect to the p2pool.  Mining on the p2pool is smart because it would take days (or weeks) to find a block solo-mining.
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New coin symbol/logo text looking good at www.darkcoin.io

Still too many big scary words underneath it though.

To be frank, I think the whole page needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.  The background especially needs to go.
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You are mining on a p2pool, you are not solomining Cheesy
How can you tell this from the block explorer and does this mean using "Simple CPU Mining" software connects you to p2pool without informing you?  Shocked
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You know what the barriers for users are to a hard fork? A mandatory wallet update, and if they mine, maybe a miner update. That's it. And auto wallet updating should be implemented anyway. If LTC remains scrypt, it will be forgotten within 12 months. Its whole reason for existing has disappeared.

Exactly.  I was following all of the debate on /r/dogecoin, many were suggesting a switch to x11 (smart IMO) but there were TONS of people making the retarded claim that a hard fork would kill the coin. Hilariously they were not being called out on their nonsense because only a handful of people over there have a clue..  A hardfork is not that big of a deal, and doge (as a community coin that recruits many newbie miners, which is thier main strength) would benefit greatly from a switch to x11.  I think there are a few people in both the LTC and DOGE community who have already invested heavily into ASICs and are spreading nonsense for their own gain.

Yup Wink Same Litecoiners infiltrated the Dogecoin reddit to spread scrypt ASIC propaganda ("Secure the network" LMAO) and talked as if they are Dogecoin supporters ..
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There are unintended consequences with trying to claim IPR.

property rights denote ownership. Ownership denotes an owner. Owners can withhold their permission and their rights can be sold or passed on to third parties.

To defend IPR you need to levy the threat of legal action. That implies you need to be capable of retaining lawyers to pursue infringements, even on a global basis. That opens up the potential to open court, disclosure and distraction. It also opens up the potential to lose IPR rights in the case of losing a court case and not being able to pay costs.

If you assert IPR, that means you become a point for failure in a decentralised environment. If freedom from government intervention is sought, claiming to own the keys to the system opens up owners to cease and desist orders. The system can be switched off.

I would leave the issue of IRP off the agenda.

Lets talk about moon landings and setting up space 1999 colonies instead.



Right now our points of failure are Evan and Kyle. Who effectively own DRK. We need a bigger team and a concrete backup plan.

Seriously, you advocate ignoring the world around you and dreaming about space colonies?

One step at a time mate... reality is right here and now and in our face and burying your head in lala land is just going to get you raped by the predators. Who are going to beat you to the moon too.



I think we did the darkcoin clone threats, protect DarkSend IPR at the end of march and start of April.

I even launched my own clone to point out the ease of cloning and using cheap gimmicks to get ahead.

Grin


OK. My breakaway faction of 1 is not technically a faction. It's more like a lone loon. 

With great regret, I have decided to cancel the DarkDogeCoin.  Much sad. No $$. Fall from the moon. Cry

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6018117


Copycats is also the reason I started a thread on keeping track of them and pointing out to the world that the original is here.

added 4 more coins launching with x11, DGW or a combination

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563075.new#new

Evan has officially reached The Fonz status



Having gone through an expensive corporate court case involving IPR, I know the pitfalls.

I think I've done more than bury my head in the sand.

But you are right, I do like the idea of being a space cadet and living in lala land. Worked for Doge  Wink
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This is not possible...  Please link to proof on block explorer?

My guess is you got a delayed pool payout from previous mining or somthing...

I've never mined at a pool. http://explorer.darkcoin.io/address/XtCkYncGXkGXss7waiN4SpEEh1KA7Hx1cJ

You are mining on a p2pool, you are not solomining Cheesy
legendary
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New coin symbol/logo text looking good at www.darkcoin.io

Still too many big scary words underneath it though.

That looks pretty good.

We can put that one to bed until we get to $50m.

nice job LimLims
legendary
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There are unintended consequences with trying to claim IPR.

property rights denote ownership. Ownership denotes an owner. Owners can withhold their permission and their rights can be sold or passed on to third parties.

To defend IPR you need to levy the threat of legal action. That implies you need to be capable of retaining lawyers to pursue infringements, even on a global basis. That opens up the potential to open court, disclosure and distraction. It also opens up the potential to lose IPR rights in the case of losing a court case and not being able to pay costs.

If you assert IPR, that means you become a point for failure in a decentralised environment. If freedom from government intervention is sought, claiming to own the keys to the system opens up owners to cease and desist orders. The system can be switched off.

I would leave the issue of IRP off the agenda.

Lets talk about moon landings and setting up space 1999 colonies instead.



Right now our points of failure are Evan and Kyle. Who effectively own DRK. We need a bigger team and a concrete backup plan.

Seriously, you advocate ignoring the world around you and dreaming about space colonies?

One step at a time mate... reality is right here and now and in our face and burying your head in lala land is just going to get you raped by the predators. Who are going to beat you to the moon too.

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This is not possible...  Please link to proof on block explorer?

My guess is you got a delayed pool payout from previous mining or somthing...

I've never mined at a pool. http://explorer.darkcoin.io/address/XtCkYncGXkGXss7waiN4SpEEh1KA7Hx1cJ
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This assumes the philosophy of intellectual property is compatible with the world of cryptocurrency with a focus on anonymity.

Pure anarchy tends not to work well.

Copycoins would have a choice:

1. Licence DarkSend, benefit from the hard work being done for them and existing market recognition.
2. Use DarkSend unlicenced, good luck getting any serious investment due to the blatant illegality of it
3. Come up with something themselves, ie hard work







Works just fine actually. You going to have the state enforce this IP model? I don't think so.

Give me some examples of functional anarchistic societies that involve more than three hippies living in a commune...

I'm no fan of "the state", but if we can play the system to our advantage at close to zero cost then why not?

In your anarchistic utopia the only currencies that matter will be ammo, water, food, medicine... same as it ever was.

It's the pockets of Anarchy in every society that keeps it moving, nothing could be done without it.... but there's plenty of places you can go on the internet and learn about how wrong you are there. The point is, crypto is the last place intellectual property will be respected... because it only exists in the minds of statists.

I meant anarchy on a country wide scale. I agree with you that it's the free-thinkers from whence springs progress...

About the crypto "community" not caring about IP, I also agree, but we need to stop preaching to the choir and target everyone else, deal with society at large. It is in our own interests to do so. There's no reason we can't use the existing system for our own gain. We've paid for it...



There are unintended consequences with trying to claim IPR.

property rights denote ownership. Ownership denotes an owner. Owners can withhold their permission and their rights can be sold or passed on to third parties.

To defend IPR you need to levy the threat of legal action. That implies you need to be capable of retaining lawyers to pursue infringements, even on a global basis. That opens up the potential to open court, disclosure and distraction. It also opens up the potential to lose IPR rights in the case of losing a court case and not being able to pay costs.

If you assert IPR, that means you become a point for failure in a decentralised environment. If freedom from government intervention is sought, claiming to own the keys to the system opens up owners to cease and desist orders. The system can be switched off.

I would leave the issue of IRP off the agenda.

Lets talk about moon landings and setting up space 1999 colonies instead.

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Probably unrelated, but in the last 90mins I have received four small payments, "Mined" as in from a p2pool, of 0.002-0.004 DRK.

I am not and have never mined DRK via p2pool...  Huh

My rigs showing still connected to the official pool, all as it should be on my end. Odd. LOL, has POS been implemented?

I was solo mining using Simply CPU Miner, have now switched to the wallet miner to see if that makes a difference.
legendary
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Seems like this is going to turn out as a success. I wish you the best of luck with this project! I'm going to start with this myself

Welcome! Buckle up! Enjoy the ride!  Smiley
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Seems like this is going to turn out as a success. I wish you the best of luck with this project! I'm going to start with this myself
sr. member
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Just mined a block solo and got paid 0.00186422 coins, is the pay out normally this low?

The blockchain is showing payouts of 20 to 160!  Huh

This is not possible...  Please link to proof on block explorer?

My guess is you got a delayed pool payout from previous mining or somthing...
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
Just mined a block solo and got paid 0.00186422 coins, is the pay out normally this low?

The blockchain is showing payouts of 20 to 160!  Huh

Probably unrelated, but in the last 90mins I have received four small payments, "Mined" as in from a p2pool, of 0.002-0.004 DRK.

I am not and have never mined DRK via p2pool...  Huh

My rigs showing still connected to the official pool, all as it should be on my end. Odd. LOL, has POS been implemented?
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000


This assumes the philosophy of intellectual property is compatible with the world of cryptocurrency with a focus on anonymity.

Pure anarchy tends not to work well.

Copycoins would have a choice:

1. Licence DarkSend, benefit from the hard work being done for them and existing market recognition.
2. Use DarkSend unlicenced, good luck getting any serious investment due to the blatant illegality of it
3. Come up with something themselves, ie hard work







Works just fine actually. You going to have the state enforce this IP model? I don't think so.

Give me some examples of functional anarchistic societies that involve more than three hippies living in a commune...

I'm no fan of "the state", but if we can play the system to our advantage at close to zero cost then why not?

In your anarchistic utopia the only currencies that matter will be ammo, water, food, medicine... same as it ever was.

It's the pockets of Anarchy in every society that keeps it moving, nothing could be done without it.... but there's plenty of places you can go on the internet and learn about how wrong you are there. The point is, crypto is the last place intellectual property will be respected... because it only exists in the minds of statists.

I meant anarchy on a country wide scale. I agree with you that it's the free-thinkers from whence springs progress...

About the crypto "community" not caring about IP, I also agree, but we need to stop preaching to the choir and target everyone else, deal with society at large. It is in our own interests to do so. There's no reason we can't use the existing system for our own gain. We've paid for it...

member
Activity: 91
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Just mined a block solo and got paid 0.00186422 coins, is the pay out normally this low?

The blockchain is showing payouts of 20 to 160!  Huh
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