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Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 6640. (Read 9724017 times)

newbie
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Twitter rumours this will get a pump tonight  Wink
hero member
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There is no short cut for Evan actually doing presentations in conferences ala Charles H/Buterin et al and putting himself out there in front of people and cameras. Challenge sessions for white hat hackers should be publicized and of course use media both conventional and contemporary. People with lots of coins should come forward with some plans themselves.
hero member
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DRK has two big issues that I see:

(1) Because the power draw is only 60% of scrypt, large GPU farms that mine altcoins and dump them for BTC/fiat have an incentive to target DRK. More profit even at price parity due to lower electricity costs. This will keep market supply high perpetually and hence keep the price low.

(2) The legions of unremarkable clone-coins will implement DarkSend once it's open-sourced. See how zero-talent "devs" are copy-pasting Vertcoin's anti-ASIC adaptive N algorithm.

For both (1) and (2) the solution is greater adoption. In the case of (1) it reduces these quasi-commercial dumpers to a smaller proportion of the market. In the case of (2), it allows DRK to achieve escape velocity and get to a point where a competing clone coin can't catch up due to lacking the network effect.

So I see "marketing" as crucial, even in the short-term. In any case, DarkSend should probably be kept closed-source before hitting at least Bter and BTC38 (not that I'm in any position to advise devs). Call it an extended mandatory beta or something. Tongue

I agree, well said.

Personally, I don't think DarkSend should ever be open sourced. All it will result in are a ton of junk coins implementing it, and basically a ton of coins piggybacking on the dev's code here. Yes, if adoption was greater, then perhaps it'd make sense to open source. But to me, adoption means something like being able to be used for actual purchases somewhere.

So if DarkCoin turned into Bitcoin, sure, consider open source. But that sort of adoption would take years. Instead, if it was me, perhaps a verified 3rd party could look at the code for safety types of reasons every so often, rather than just release all of the code for free.

If the code is released, I expect the coin to drop in price ... a lot.

At this point I absolutely agree.  We have no brand awareness and as my favorite saying goes... " never forsake the real for the ideal!"   DarkCoins world needs to be tightly branded and every kink work out.  It would be suicidal to release anything until this coin is burned into peoples mind as the "NAME" in crypto security.
hero member
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Thanks bigrcanada!

As mentioned above I think we should get the mining pools involved to offer an auto-donation to get the foundation funded. I also think we should use a similar rewards structure as heavy, obviously with fewer coins since ours are and will be worth so much more!

eduffield can you put up a donation address for the Foundation and implement the donation option on your pool to that address? If you do it then other mining pool operators can follow suit, up until a fund ceiling of 200,000 DRK or so.

I think most miners would be happy to contribute, especially when it will go directly to the foundation and improving the awareness, development and value of the coin. It's in everyone's best interest!

I'm game with that.   I've spent about an hour or so going through Heavy Coins information and marketing.  This has been done very well for a coin that does not offer what Evan is building with our coin.  None of what has been done at HVC is flashy marketing fluff.  Its straight forward, very clear and concise and to the point.  Clean, functional, informative and  a good solid base in understanding what it will take to support a "serious" crypto coin ecosystem.  Someone spent alot of time and thought as to HOW to navigate their ecosystem and what would be needed to support a serious coin contender in the sea of shit coins out there.  Hats off to their team.   Ultimately its going to take bounties being set up for rewarding peoples hard work....and that is where we need to start.  I purpose starting a Dark Coin Foundation made up of stake holders to help push this forward, quickly.  Please advise further.
hero member
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DRK has two big issues that I see:

(1) Because the power draw is only 60% of scrypt, large GPU farms that mine altcoins and dump them for BTC/fiat have an incentive to target DRK. More profit even at price parity due to lower electricity costs. This will keep market supply high perpetually and hence keep the price low.

(2) The legions of unremarkable clone-coins will implement DarkSend once it's open-sourced. See how zero-talent "devs" are copy-pasting Vertcoin's anti-ASIC adaptive N algorithm.

For both (1) and (2) the solution is greater adoption. In the case of (1) it reduces these quasi-commercial dumpers to a smaller proportion of the market. In the case of (2), it allows DRK to achieve escape velocity and get to a point where a competing clone coin can't catch up due to lacking the network effect.

So I see "marketing" as crucial, even in the short-term. In any case, DarkSend should probably be kept closed-source before hitting at least Bter and BTC38 (not that I'm in any position to advise devs). Call it an extended mandatory beta or something. Tongue

I agree, well said.

Personally, I don't think DarkSend should ever be open sourced. All it will result in are a ton of junk coins implementing it, and basically a ton of coins piggybacking on the dev's code here. Yes, if adoption was greater, then perhaps it'd make sense to open source. But to me, adoption means something like being able to be used for actual purchases somewhere.

So if DarkCoin turned into Bitcoin, sure, consider open source. But that sort of adoption would take years. Instead, if it was me, perhaps a verified 3rd party could look at the code for safety types of reasons every so often, rather than just release all of the code for free.

If the code is released, I expect the coin to drop in price ... a lot.
newbie
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Thanks bigrcanada!

As mentioned above I think we should get the mining pools involved to offer an auto-donation to get the foundation funded. I also think we should use a similar rewards structure as heavy, obviously with fewer coins since ours are and will be worth so much more!

eduffield can you put up a donation address for the Foundation and implement the donation option on your pool to that address? If you do it then other mining pool operators can follow suit, up until a fund ceiling of 200,000 DRK or so.

I think most miners would be happy to contribute, especially when it will go directly to the foundation and improving the awareness, development and value of the coin. It's in everyone's best interest!
hero member
Activity: 588
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I'll be speaking at the Cryptocurrency Convention on Apr 9th in NewYork, detailing how DarkSend works and promoting DarkCoin. If anyone will be in NewYork at that time I'd love to meet you!

http://cryptocurrencyconvention.com/


*My details should be up on the site soon

THIS is the type of "marketing" this coin needs.

Edu, can you talk any about what type of testing (beyond this community doing some DS transactions) you are doing? It's been mentioned before to try to let some "white-hat" types take a hammer to it... anything like that? To me, i'd like some sort of 3rd party endorsement on the anonymous transactions.


There were a few people that came into the forums and said that it wasn't anonymous and could break it, I'll reach out to them and see if they're up for taking a look at it.

Hi Eduffield.   Check out what Heavycoin did.  You can check what they are doing with this coin.  

https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/6988-launchedhvc-heavycoin-decentralized-block-reward-votingcpu-only-ultra-secure/


"Bounty details

Thanks to the bounty phase, Heavycoin will start with enough funds to do some serious work in terms of branding, marketing and promotion. Here are some of the projects we will be rewarding early adopters and promoters for.  If you are interested, then please post to the forum and send a PM so we can confirm the details.

30,000 HVC - professional grade commercial art and logos (specific guidelines, logo competition)
50,000 HVC - professional grade promotional video explanation (specific guidelines apply)
100,000 HVC - first substaintial merchant to accept payments with Heavycoin
50,000 HVC - second merchant
40,000 HVC - third merchant
10,000 HVC - fourth merchant
10,000 HVC - fifth merchant
50,000 HVC - first gambling site (specific guidelines apply)
20,000 HVC - first dice site
10,000 HVC - setup and maintenance of a dedicated Heavycoin forum
10,000 HVC - sign-up of the first Heavycoin exchange
30,000 HVC - first block explorer
10,000 HVC - second block explorer
30,000 HVC - first mining pool
10,000 HVC - second mining pool
10,000 HVC - first article published
10,000 HVC - second article published
30,000 HVC - article at CoinDesk, Bitcoin Magazine, Forbes or Money Week

Thousands more to be awarded to promotors on twitter, facebook and online forums.

Completed bounties
These bounties have been pre-allocated ahead of the launch for helpful contributions.

Twitter feed setup - 1,000 HVC awarded to robmillernow
Chinese PRE-ANN translation - 1,000 HVC awarded to xiaocong
Greek PRE-ANN translation - 1,000 HVC awarded to RealMiner
French PRE-ANN translation - 1,000 HVC awarded to kuroman
Spanish PRE-ANN translation - 1,000 HVC awarded to VanBreuk
Dutch PRE-ANN translation - 1,000 HVC awarded to tinus42
First article published - 10,000 HVC awarded to qznc (Block Reward Voting: HeavyCoin)
Polish PRE-ANN translation - 1,000 HVC awarded to Moozg
Russian PRE-ANN translation - 1,000 HVC awarded to -Greed-
Informative blog post - 1,000 HVC awarded to Shuxy (Alt Coins Lookout! #1)
Setup and maintenance of a dedicated Heavycoin forum - 10,000 HVC awarded to cryptomind (heavycoinforum.com)
Italian PRE-ANN translation - 500 HVC awarded to Steve_Sanders

We are still awarding bounties for pre-launch contributions (ex. promotions and translations) so please send us a PM."


This in my opinion is a very well thought out roll out.  We need to set up a bounty found ASAP and I'll donate the first 500 DRK to the fund to start with.  FYI I do not current own or have any holdings in HVC.

Thoughts?

 PS.... I'll be the first merchant to sign up to use DarkCoin! ....and I'll donate any bounty I'd get for that back into the "fund".

hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 500
I'll be speaking at the Cryptocurrency Convention on Apr 9th in NewYork, detailing how DarkSend works and promoting DarkCoin. If anyone will be in NewYork at that time I'd love to meet you!

http://cryptocurrencyconvention.com/


*My details should be up on the site soon

THIS is the type of "marketing" this coin needs.

Edu, can you talk any about what type of testing (beyond this community doing some DS transactions) you are doing? It's been mentioned before to try to let some "white-hat" types take a hammer to it... anything like that? To me, i'd like some sort of 3rd party endorsement on the anonymous transactions.


There were a few people that came into the forums and said that it wasn't anonymous and could break it, I'll reach out to them and see if they're up for taking a look at it.

Hi Eduffield.   Check out what Heavycoin did.  You can check what they are doing with this coin.  

https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/6988-launchedhvc-heavycoin-decentralized-block-reward-votingcpu-only-ultra-secure/


"Bounty details

Thanks to the bounty phase, Heavycoin will start with enough funds to do some serious work in terms of branding, marketing and promotion. Here are some of the projects we will be rewarding early adopters and promoters for.  If you are interested, then please post to the forum and send a PM so we can confirm the details.

30,000 HVC - professional grade commercial art and logos (specific guidelines, logo competition)
50,000 HVC - professional grade promotional video explanation (specific guidelines apply)
100,000 HVC - first substaintial merchant to accept payments with Heavycoin
50,000 HVC - second merchant
40,000 HVC - third merchant
10,000 HVC - fourth merchant
10,000 HVC - fifth merchant
50,000 HVC - first gambling site (specific guidelines apply)
20,000 HVC - first dice site
10,000 HVC - setup and maintenance of a dedicated Heavycoin forum
10,000 HVC - sign-up of the first Heavycoin exchange
30,000 HVC - first block explorer
10,000 HVC - second block explorer
30,000 HVC - first mining pool
10,000 HVC - second mining pool
10,000 HVC - first article published
10,000 HVC - second article published
30,000 HVC - article at CoinDesk, Bitcoin Magazine, Forbes or Money Week

Thousands more to be awarded to promotors on twitter, facebook and online forums.

Completed bounties
These bounties have been pre-allocated ahead of the launch for helpful contributions.

Twitter feed setup - 1,000 HVC awarded to robmillernow
Chinese PRE-ANN translation - 1,000 HVC awarded to xiaocong
Greek PRE-ANN translation - 1,000 HVC awarded to RealMiner
French PRE-ANN translation - 1,000 HVC awarded to kuroman
Spanish PRE-ANN translation - 1,000 HVC awarded to VanBreuk
Dutch PRE-ANN translation - 1,000 HVC awarded to tinus42
First article published - 10,000 HVC awarded to qznc (Block Reward Voting: HeavyCoin)
Polish PRE-ANN translation - 1,000 HVC awarded to Moozg
Russian PRE-ANN translation - 1,000 HVC awarded to -Greed-
Informative blog post - 1,000 HVC awarded to Shuxy (Alt Coins Lookout! #1)
Setup and maintenance of a dedicated Heavycoin forum - 10,000 HVC awarded to cryptomind (heavycoinforum.com)
Italian PRE-ANN translation - 500 HVC awarded to Steve_Sanders

We are still awarding bounties for pre-launch contributions (ex. promotions and translations) so please send us a PM."


This in my opinion is a very well thought out roll out.  We need to set up a bounty found ASAP and I'll donate the first 500 DRK to the fund to start with.  FYI I do not current own or have any holdings in HVC.

Thoughts?

 
newbie
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I'll be speaking at the Cryptocurrency Convention on Apr 9th in NewYork, detailing how DarkSend works and promoting DarkCoin. If anyone will be in NewYork at that time I'd love to meet you!

http://cryptocurrencyconvention.com/


*My details should be up on the site soon

THIS is the type of "marketing" this coin needs.

Edu, can you talk any about what type of testing (beyond this community doing some DS transactions) you are doing? It's been mentioned before to try to let some "white-hat" types take a hammer to it... anything like that? To me, i'd like some sort of 3rd party endorsement on the anonymous transactions.


There were a few people that came into the forums and said that it wasn't anonymous and could break it, I'll reach out to them and see if they're up for taking a look at it.

This would be great to have for marketing purposes.

Also, I was thinking you could institute a 2% fee for your mining pool that would go towards bounties for the DarkCoin Foundation. This would give miners a chance to contribute to the growth and prosperity of the coin.
hero member
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orders @ cryptsy are just not following any logics ... i cant understand why we see a new bottom on cryptsy and a spike in difficulty up to 415 ... that makes absolutly no sense ...

can someone explain the logic behind that? has someone a theory?

there will always be dumpers. I just bought myself 500 more.
member
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orders @ cryptsy are just not following any logics ... i cant understand why we see a new bottom on cryptsy and a spike in difficulty up to 415 ... that makes absolutly no sense ...

can someone explain the logic behind that? has someone a theory?

It is strange. At current difficulty (315), 1MH/s of scrypt power earns you about 3.5 DRK per day, which is about 0.004 BTC per MH per day at current prices. Most stable coins earn about 0.008 - 0.012 BTC per MH per day, so it's undervalued in terms of mining by 2x to 3x.

However, trade volumes are pretty low, so you can't read too much into it. Sometimes miners just need to cash out.
sr. member
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Kamehameha!!!
DRK has two big issues that I see:

(1) Because the power draw is only 60% of scrypt, large GPU farms that mine altcoins and dump them for BTC/fiat have an incentive to target DRK. More profit even at price parity due to lower electricity costs. This will keep market supply high perpetually and hence keep the price low.

(2) The legions of unremarkable clone-coins will implement DarkSend once it's open-sourced. See how zero-talent "devs" are copy-pasting Vertcoin's anti-ASIC adaptive N algorithm.

For both (1) and (2) the solution is greater adoption. In the case of (1) it reduces these quasi-commercial dumpers to a smaller proportion of the market. In the case of (2), it allows DRK to achieve escape velocity and get to a point where a competing clone coin can't catch up due to lacking the network effect.

So I see "marketing" as crucial, even in the short-term. In any case, DarkSend should probably be kept closed-source before hitting at least Bter and BTC38 (not that I'm in any position to advise devs). Call it an extended mandatory beta or something. Tongue

I agree, well said.

Is there anyone here with a marketing background that would want to manage that? We could raise some money and use it to draw some attention. Email me at [email protected] if you're interested.

Hey Mr Eduffield I got the marketing plan of the century!

Take out a full page advertisement or online campaign jokingly making an open letter to Mark Karpeles that if he want to keep his ill gotten wealth then he should buy Darkcoins. And if he actually does do it then we all get rich, everyones happy, if he doesn't then great advertising!!!


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/180000-btc-old-coins-have-just-moved-505044  (see this link)

legendary
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Dash Developer
I'll be speaking at the Cryptocurrency Convention on Apr 9th in NewYork, detailing how DarkSend works and promoting DarkCoin. If anyone will be in NewYork at that time I'd love to meet you!

http://cryptocurrencyconvention.com/


*My details should be up on the site soon

THIS is the type of "marketing" this coin needs.

Edu, can you talk any about what type of testing (beyond this community doing some DS transactions) you are doing? It's been mentioned before to try to let some "white-hat" types take a hammer to it... anything like that? To me, i'd like some sort of 3rd party endorsement on the anonymous transactions.


There were a few people that came into the forums and said that it wasn't anonymous and could break it, I'll reach out to them and see if they're up for taking a look at it.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1036
Dash Developer
DRK has two big issues that I see:

(1) Because the power draw is only 60% of scrypt, large GPU farms that mine altcoins and dump them for BTC/fiat have an incentive to target DRK. More profit even at price parity due to lower electricity costs. This will keep market supply high perpetually and hence keep the price low.

(2) The legions of unremarkable clone-coins will implement DarkSend once it's open-sourced. See how zero-talent "devs" are copy-pasting Vertcoin's anti-ASIC adaptive N algorithm.

For both (1) and (2) the solution is greater adoption. In the case of (1) it reduces these quasi-commercial dumpers to a smaller proportion of the market. In the case of (2), it allows DRK to achieve escape velocity and get to a point where a competing clone coin can't catch up due to lacking the network effect.

So I see "marketing" as crucial, even in the short-term. In any case, DarkSend should probably be kept closed-source before hitting at least Bter and BTC38 (not that I'm in any position to advise devs). Call it an extended mandatory beta or something. Tongue

I agree, well said.

Is there anyone here with a marketing background that would want to manage that? We could raise some money and use it to draw some attention. Email me at [email protected] if you're interested.
newbie
Activity: 54
Merit: 0
DRK has two big issues that I see:

(1) Because the power draw is only 60% of scrypt, large GPU farms that mine altcoins and dump them for BTC/fiat have an incentive to target DRK. More profit even at price parity due to lower electricity costs. This will keep market supply high perpetually and hence keep the price low.

(2) The legions of unremarkable clone-coins will implement DarkSend once it's open-sourced. See how zero-talent "devs" are copy-pasting Vertcoin's anti-ASIC adaptive N algorithm.

For both (1) and (2) the solution is greater adoption. In the case of (1) it reduces these quasi-commercial dumpers to a smaller proportion of the market. In the case of (2), it allows DRK to achieve escape velocity and get to a point where a competing clone coin can't catch up due to lacking the network effect.

So I see "marketing" as crucial, even in the short-term. In any case, DarkSend should probably be kept closed-source before hitting at least Bter and BTC38 (not that I'm in any position to advise devs). Call it an extended mandatory beta or something. Tongue

I agree, well said.
hero member
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www.OroCoin.co
did you tried :
Code:
set GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT=100
set GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS=1
or
Code:
setx GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT=100
setx GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS=1

Set, setx, and export. Doesn't matter. It complains that these are unset no matter what.

Code:
bash:~$ echo $GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS
1
bash:~$ echo $GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT
100

They ARE set, sgminer is just lying to mess with me... It's a woman. :-p

those settings are used by opencl. try finding another release, or redownload and reinstall
try using --no-adl just to see if it will start up and mine....
it will not have any clock control or monitoring but if it works it is probably your adl drivers

Starts up and mines just the same with the --no-adl flag.

Rebuilt sgminer, dropped --no-adl flag... No effect.

Confused as to why broken and unfixable libGL halts the build of a program that has no use for libGL (darkcoin-qt), but sgminer still builds just fine...
sr. member
Activity: 371
Merit: 250
orders @ cryptsy are just not following any logics ... i cant understand why we see a new bottom on cryptsy and a spike in difficulty up to 415 ... that makes absolutly no sense ...

can someone explain the logic behind that? has someone a theory?
hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 500
did you tried :
Code:
set GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT=100
set GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS=1
or
Code:
setx GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT=100
setx GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS=1

Set, setx, and export. Doesn't matter. It complains that these are unset no matter what.

Code:
bash:~$ echo $GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS
1
bash:~$ echo $GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT
100

They ARE set, sgminer is just lying to mess with me... It's a woman. :-p

those settings are used by opencl. try finding another release, or redownload and reinstall
try using --no-adl just to see if it will start up and mine....
it will not have any clock control or monitoring but if it works it is probably your adl drivers
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 500
just bought 500 darkcoin on cryptsy for 0.00125. Someone dumped a lot. Get them cheap while u can.
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
did you tried :
Code:
set GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT=100
set GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS=1
or
Code:
setx GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT=100
setx GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS=1

Set, setx, and export. Doesn't matter. It complains that these are unset no matter what.

Code:
bash:~$ echo $GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS
1
bash:~$ echo $GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT
100

They ARE set, sgminer is just lying to mess with me... It's a woman. :-p

those settings are used by opencl. try finding another release, or redownload and reinstall
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