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legendary
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Wait a second.  Why are you assuming this will be trolling?  The idea behind this campaign is to get the word out, not attack others.  Nowhere does it say to attack others, and certainly we can watch out for such actions and immediately denounce them.


OK Tante.  The reason why I am assuming this will be trolling is an appreciation of reality.

Of course, one can assume a Panglossian view of human nature, but I don't.

What this proposal codifies is a spam campaign.  To clarify, it sets up a financial incentive to post opinions to social media supporting Dash.

Because I suspect that Monero has operated such a financially backed campaign covertly, whenever I see a post mentioning Monero, I am immediately suspicious of it as being by some paid troll, and not by a sincere individual.  This causes me to discount the opinions expressed, at least in part, as being by "shills".

It is not important whether these posts are "attacks" or not.  What is important is sincerity, and motivation.  If the motivation is to earn money, then then the opinion expressed is immediately compromised.

To take it a little further, suppose your "denunciations" were also to be financially rewarded, and people were aware of this.  How much weight do you think they would have?

The point I am making is essentially about corruption.  To propose a system whereby people are financially rewarded for making posts for financial gain, which may or may not reflect their true beliefs, is to propose a system which encourages corruption.

On a more pragmatic level, imagine that in future I see a post supporting Dash.  Since the Dash Swarm is in operation, I now do not know whether the poster is making a sincere argument, or whether they are merely trying to make their quota of comments.  And what is even worse, suppose someone replies to this comment by suggesting that pro-Dash commenters are "paid shills"and gives a link to this Swarm program.  It would give me a somewhat sick feeling, you understand?  I would not even feel comfortable in agreeing with such a post.

At least the suspected Monero "troll swarm" has had the sense to deny its existence.  This one is not only evil, but naive.

What is "evil"is the intent to deceive.  When you read a comment on say, Reddit, you don't naturally assume that the poster is being PAID to post.  Taking advantage of that default assumption is deceptive, and when it is exposed, it casts a very bad light on the decievers.  To make such a program PUBLIC is just stupid.

Do you understand now why this is a counter-productive strategy?

 

sounds like you are concern trolling and have not even bothered to read the proposal or the swarm contest rules.

people who participate in the swarm contest are instructed to tag their post with #DashForce for the whole world to see, nobody is hiding anything or trying to deceive anyone. so your first concern about trolling has been nixed and now your second concern about "evil" intent to deceive has too.

how about telling us what you think dash needs to do to achieve the goals laid out in the DashForce proposal. you seem very concerned but i heard nothing from you the last month and a half when this proposal was up for discussion.
what is your solution? we are open to constructive suggestions but the concern trolling is getting old.

 

edit: i would also add that anyone who holds a crypto currency and comments on it or "shills" for it is doing it to make money, to increase the value of their holdings.
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Wait a second.  Why are you assuming this will be trolling?  The idea behind this campaign is to get the word out, not attack others.  Nowhere does it say to attack others, and certainly we can watch out for such actions and immediately denounce them.


OK Tante.  The reason why I am assuming this will be trolling is an appreciation of reality.

Of course, one can assume a Panglossian view of human nature, but I don't.

What this proposal codifies is a spam campaign.  To clarify, it sets up a financial incentive to post opinions to social media supporting Dash.

Because I suspect that Monero has operated such a financially backed campaign covertly, whenever I see a post mentioning Monero, I am immediately suspicious of it as being by some paid troll, and not by a sincere individual.  This causes me to discount the opinions expressed, at least in part, as being by "shills".

It is not important whether these posts are "attacks" or not.  What is important is sincerity, and motivation.  If the motivation is to earn money, then then the opinion expressed is immediately compromised.

To take it a little further, suppose your "denunciations" were also to be financially rewarded, and people were aware of this.  How much weight do you think they would have?

The point I am making is essentially about corruption.  To propose a system whereby people are financially rewarded for making posts for financial gain, which may or may not reflect their true beliefs, is to propose a system which encourages corruption.

On a more pragmatic level, imagine that in future I see a post supporting Dash.  Since the Dash Swarm is in operation, I now do not know whether the poster is making a sincere argument, or whether they are merely trying to make their quota of comments.  And what is even worse, suppose someone replies to this comment by suggesting that pro-Dash commenters are "paid shills"and gives a link to this Swarm program.  It would give me a somewhat sick feeling, you understand?  I would not even feel comfortable in agreeing with such a post.

At least the suspected Monero "troll swarm" has had the sense to deny its existence.  This one is not only evil, but naive.

What is "evil"is the intent to deceive.  When you read a comment on say, Reddit, you don't naturally assume that the poster is being PAID to post.  Taking advantage of that default assumption is deceptive, and when it is exposed, it casts a very bad light on the decievers.  To make such a program PUBLIC is just stupid.

Do you understand now why this is a counter-productive strategy?

 
legendary
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I want to know something from the bagholder mates: how long did you keep your DASH? I still have mine from two years ago

since 55 cents  Grin
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I want to know something from the bagholder mates: how long did you keep your DASH? I still have mine from two years ago
legendary
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Purse, Poland and Progress: A Word About Dash Adoption

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https://youtu.be/im-UhvfNmJI

Cheers, Tao.

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Why volume is so low?
it's about 57BTC daily volume. it was more than 250BTC before.



What?

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dash/#markets

I was looking at only poloniex. I thought it was the nr1 exchange. Now its good to learn moat of the volume is elsewhere.

Is a dashed shame to see such low volume.
legendary
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So I was taking my mom on some errands and she said she needed some cash.  Without thinking, I said "why use cash when you can use Dash?" and my daughter loved it.  So I had to put it here even so it's a pretty obvious slogan Tongue
legendary
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Presented by Dash Force: The Swarm, Level 1

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dashforce-presents-the-swarm-level-1.12141/

You got what it takes?  Smiley

So the monero community was falsely accused of trolling for 5 XMR per day (totally FUD, zero proof) and now DASH is actually going to pay people to shill for 5 DASH


lol, there is a difference between trolling and cheerleading. even icebreaker said the DashForce swarm contest was not about trolling.
as for you and other people trolling dash, the proof is literally littered all throughout this thread. at least half of it anyways, the other half was deleted by mods.
although, we do appreciate y'all bumping the thread and DashForce is happy for your help with promotion. if you disapprove that means we are doing something right! Grin

the only trolling i have seen lately has not come from Dash. if you see someone trolling other coins let us know so they don't get paid. we have had our wars in the past but now those are over and have been for a while. DashForce is about moving forward.



DashForce Contest Thread: Help Dash to Win Dash
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dashforce-contest-thread-help-dash-to-win-dash.12172/

DashForce Presents....The Swarm: Level 1
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dashforce-presents-the-swarm-level-1.12141/#post-109146
legendary
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Why volume is so low?
it's about 57BTC daily volume. it was more than 250BTC before.



What?

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dash/#markets

I was looking at only poloniex. I thought it was the nr1 exchange. Now its good to learn moat of the volume is elsewhere.

Yep, it is a very important move away from Poloniex. Spreading our Dash volume over other exchanges like YoBit (Dash ranks 2nd there) and xBTCe (Dash ranks 5th there)
was something we all were hoping would happen at some point and now we are there already. It really shows how changes like price and volume can occur both slow and fast
in crypto.

Talking about slow change, is that a longterm new price-trend brewing over there ?



Know when to ride the whirlwind and direct the storm
legendary
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Dash Force
So the monero community was falsely accused of trolling for 5 XMR per day (totally FUD, zero proof) and now DASH is actually going to pay people to shill for 5 DASH
Our community participation in things online such as commenting, upvoting/downvoting, testnet, tweeting, and such needed a boost. Dash Force is about respectful discussion, as is the Dash Nation Slack from which it was born. You won't see me trolling Monero, and people who do will not be tipped by Dash Force funds.
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Why volume is so low?
it's about 57BTC daily volume. it was more than 250BTC before.



What?

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dash/#markets

I was looking at only poloniex. I thought it was the nr1 exchange. Now its good to learn moat of the volume is elsewhere.
hero member
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dnaleor, I wonder if poloniex have 80% of monero (almost 100% volume there, no gui), which of course is very dangerous for anybody using supposedly anonymous coin.


Good number of full nodes across the globe is freaking awesome to have, don't you think?

Don't be concerned about it. Be happy if it's bad for Dash.

And please stop generalizing, becouse looking at you one would think that entire monero community is overreacting kids with low self esteem with fliers in hand at Dash presentation.
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full member
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Why volume is so low?
it's about 57BTC daily volume. it was more than 250BTC before.

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