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Topic: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Community Governance | Bitcoin Devs | Lightning Network - page 89. (Read 1201324 times)

legendary
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So this is like gambling? why do people like to buy tickets? is there something behind it? yeah that must be very profitable.


isn't gambling but a different kind of Proof of Stake, one of the purposes is solve the notorious problem of nothing-at-stake of classic PoS technology, instead of give weight based rewards the Decred PoS gives random rewards with a win chance 99,5% in a timeframe of 142 days, with this system you can't stake on different chains  Wink

tickets don't mine blocks but only validate PoW blocks and they have the last word on serious debates like hard forks and future proposals, the entire system is designed for the on-chain governance.
sr. member
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Dev has managed to get obvious: sign-up your bitcointalk user profile along with a vlaid email address for the airdrop. Stop whinning about this and get it done and see what happens. Good luck to all.

so there will be an airdrop from decred? can somebody confirm this?

The airdrop was in 2016, there will be no other.
The coin was produced by POW+POS and now there is no airdrop, so you see it wrong.
legendary
Activity: 1164
Merit: 1010
Dev has managed to get obvious: sign-up your bitcointalk user profile along with a vlaid email address for the airdrop. Stop whinning about this and get it done and see what happens. Good luck to all.

so there will be an airdrop from decred? can somebody confirm this?

The airdrop was in 2016, there will be no other.


there was a fake airdrop! ~ i'm not the only one who got gypped by this outfit

You're wrong: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22659558
sr. member
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Hi, well i managed to buy a ticket and share it to stake pool, the thing is how can check if everything it is ok and not to wait as a noob, the time i read it can be 6 months but i see faster tickets.
https://ibb.co/nf3UiG



The avg ticket will win in 28 days, but it is a lottery. Often you can check your stake by logging into your staking pool and looking in it's status area. Or you can open your local wallet everyone in awhile and see if you won an award.
sr. member
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Hi guys I am just trying to learn about "tickets" and their role for Decred or voting respectively. Can someone give me a link to a condense overview about the process?
legendary
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But in these cases what is happening to the ticket prices, are theay usually going up or down? I haven't watched this stuff before, any experiences?

if the market price rises surely someone will stop their ticket buyer to sell some DCR with less coin in stake the ticket price going down.

So this is like gambling? why do people like to buy tickets? is there something behind it? yeah that must be very profitable.
newbie
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Hi, well i managed to buy a ticket and share it to stake pool, the thing is how can check if everything it is ok and not to wait as a noob, the time i read it can be 6 months but i see faster tickets.
https://ibb.co/nf3UiG

full member
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Merit: 167
I recall Decred was in the process of being listed on Binance. Is that still in progress? I think it was on a community coin of the month program (maybe in September from memory), where it gets voted by Binance users for expedited listing. Did that lead to anything or is it still a maybe? Decred was one of the first altcoins I started following, but just haven't seen it on some of the exchanges I like.
sr. member
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I assume when the lightning network goes live, we could possibly see a price pump. A very big portion of the DCR coins is usually staked, so it is always easy for DCr to rise. But in these cases what is happening to the ticket prices, are theay usually going up or down? I haven't watched this stuff before, any experiences?

I have noticed no correlation between DCR price and ticket costs. Ticket prices go up if a lot more people stake. This happened a couple weeks ago when many more tickets were bought than average, raising the ticket prices buy $20.
legendary
Activity: 1981
Merit: 1039
But in these cases what is happening to the ticket prices, are theay usually going up or down? I haven't watched this stuff before, any experiences?

if the market price rises surely someone will stop their ticket buyer to sell some DCR with less coin in stake the ticket price going down.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 257
I assume when the lightning network goes live, we could possibly see a price pump. A very big portion of the DCR coins is usually staked, so it is always easy for DCr to rise. But in these cases what is happening to the ticket prices, are theay usually going up or down? I haven't watched this stuff before, any experiences?
newbie
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Need Chinese translation
legendary
Activity: 1164
Merit: 1010
Asics don't cause centralization in Decred.
The decisions are taken by stake holders through POS mining tickets.
Decred found the solution to the btc governance problem

Yes the miners don't have the (voting)power to fork but that doesn't mean at all that mining itself wont be centralized due to ASICs.

You have a serious misunderstanding of the matter.

I'd challenge that. Asics don't cause centralization of mining anymore than GPU-mined PoW chains. Pool mining is a much larger cause of mining centralization than asics.

The only real difference between an asic and a gpu, is the asic costs more and can only be used for that 1 algo. The "offender" there is the higher cost of hardware. It's true, that will price some small miners out of the mining game (and thus, the argument of causing centralization). However, those exact same small-time miners are mining, guess where, with pools! They are not solo mining and adding to a decentralized network. Do you see how this counters the argument of "gpu == decentralization"?

You should go search for case studies on Ethereum vs Bitcoin mining centralization. I'm betting you'll learn a thing or two.  Cool

While large pools pose an issue, you seem to neglect the bigger picture and principals at hand.

The distribution, the issuance, the subsidy of the coin itself is what you should be concerned way first and foremost about.
I mean isn't that obvious to you? How come this even needs to be said ...

Do I really need to spell it out? The coin distribution itself will be more centralized which is one of the WORST things to happen to any coin which claims to operate in a fair and DEcentralized manner.

And you dare to challenge THAT?

 Shocked

Lol Ok, try to get off that high horse. We're adults (at least I am) having a discussion Smiley

Issuance and subsidy is agnostic to gpu vs asic mining topic (as long as difficulty adjustment works well). Concerning coin distribution: it's a downside. But again, I'd argue it doesn't outweigh the plethora of security benefits gained, at least imo (and the opinion of the devs Smiley )

BTC makes a great case study. Despite the centralization of hash power (which we also see occurs with gpu algos), chain security is high, and the coin is obviously prospering. And that was "v1" of Asic coins! Take a look at LTC coin distribution compared to BTC. See the wider distribution among wallets? It's reasonable to say then, that DCR distribution will also be *at least as* good as BTC's, e.g. due to manufacturer lessons learned.

Let's not forget that PoW is only 1 way the chain is secured. That's especially critical when considering the distribution problem. PoS through tickets is a low-barrier entry for "mining" DCR, meaning those individuals priced out of asics will be able to mine. The counter argument for that would be ticket price I suppose. 79 DCR ticket x $30/DCR = $2370 for one ticket right now. Luckily, DCR started with a larger distribution than most coins due to the airdrop Cheesy
hero member
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*Brute force will solve any Bitcoin problem*
I've already seen some similar ICO, why are you different?

There is no ICO in Decred.
ICO is scam, people pay a pre-set amount off the market for a promise written on a piece of paper that has not even begun to be developed and which usually will never be.

The funny thing is that these same people often criticize a premine, where devs need to work to make the market value the coins that will serve as their payoff.
All the similar projects you saw there are copies of Decred.

Decred is a project that finances itself through its own mined coins.

With each block 60% of the coins are destined to the POW miners, 30% to the POS miners confirming the POW mining, avoiding that a concentration of hashrate can determine the path of the coin and 10% are destined to the development fund.
At the beggining, a premine was made to finance the currency until the 10% of mining reached a reasonable amount for that.

Contrary to what the fudders say, the premine doesn't go all for the main devs.
8% of the total coins were premined, of these 8%, half were distributed to thousands of people around the world through airdrop.
Of the remaining 4%, about 1% went to the initial development fund, paying for marketing, design and also other devs still leaving an amount that continues in this fund.

Only around 3% were allocated to main devs as payment for all the work done since 2013, including the development of BITCOIN SUITE, which today is responsible for enabling ATOMIC SWAPS and is a fundamental basis for the development of LIGHTNING NETWORK.
Work recognized and consecrated by other currencies devs and also by LN developers.

Ethereum was coded using the bitcoin suite developed by Decred devs.

premine and your airdrop was a fraud i am speaking on behalf of me & several people who got gypped ! :\ Where is the Israeli Bitcoin Cartel behind this?

How can an airdrop be a 'fraud'?

lets ask Meni Rosenfeld and the rest of mercenaries that started this honeypot :\ hmmm
member
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Is there an expected date for the LN implementation?
sr. member
Activity: 505
Merit: 252
Asics don't cause centralization in Decred.
The decisions are taken by stake holders through POS mining tickets.
Decred found the solution to the btc governance problem

Yes the miners don't have the (voting)power to fork but that doesn't mean at all that mining itself wont be centralized due to ASICs.

You have a serious misunderstanding of the matter.

I'd challenge that. Asics don't cause centralization of mining anymore than GPU-mined PoW chains. Pool mining is a much larger cause of mining centralization than asics.

The only real difference between an asic and a gpu, is the asic costs more and can only be used for that 1 algo. The "offender" there is the higher cost of hardware. It's true, that will price some small miners out of the mining game (and thus, the argument of causing centralization). However, those exact same small-time miners are mining, guess where, with pools! They are not solo mining and adding to a decentralized network. Do you see how this counters the argument of "gpu == decentralization"?

You should go search for case studies on Ethereum vs Bitcoin mining centralization. I'm betting you'll learn a thing or two.  Cool

While large pools pose an issue, you seem to neglect the bigger picture and principals at hand.

The distribution, the issuance, the subsidy of the coin itself is what you should be concerned way first and foremost about.
I mean isn't that obvious to you? How come this even needs to be said ...

Do I really need to spell it out? The coin distribution itself will be more centralized which is one of the WORST things to happen to any coin which claims to operate in a fair and DEcentralized manner.

And you dare to challenge THAT?

 Shocked
legendary
Activity: 1164
Merit: 1010
Asics don't cause centralization in Decred.
The decisions are taken by stake holders through POS mining tickets.
Decred found the solution to the btc governance problem

Yes the miners don't have the (voting)power to fork but that doesn't mean at all that mining itself wont be centralized due to ASICs.

You have a serious misunderstanding of the matter.

I'd challenge that. Asics don't cause centralization of mining anymore than GPU-mined PoW chains. Pool mining is a much larger cause of mining centralization than asics.

The only real difference between an asic and a gpu, is the asic costs more and can only be used for that 1 algo. The "offender" there is the higher cost of hardware. It's true, that will price some small miners out of the mining game (and thus, the argument of causing centralization). However, those exact same small-time miners are mining, guess where, with pools! They are not solo mining and adding to a decentralized network. Do you see how this counters the argument of "gpu == decentralization"?

You should go search for case studies on Ethereum vs Bitcoin mining centralization. I'm betting you'll learn a thing or two.  Cool
sr. member
Activity: 505
Merit: 252
Asics don't cause centralization in Decred.
The decisions are taken by stake holders through POS mining tickets.
Decred found the solution to the btc governance problem

Yes the miners don't have the (voting)power to fork but that doesn't mean at all that mining itself wont be centralized due to ASICs.

You have a serious misunderstanding of the matter.
legendary
Activity: 2184
Merit: 1028
#mitandopelomundo
Asics don't cause centralization in Decred.
The decisions are taken by stake holders through POS mining tickets.
Decred found the solution to the btc governance problem
sr. member
Activity: 505
Merit: 252

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1- If you want to talk to any of the devs, look for them where they all are. On official forum and on slack

2- In what way asics harm or prevent the Politeia from existing?
The dev team has no connection with any of the asics manufacturers.

3- The blake algorithm was chosen and improved to decred, because it's more modern, secure and with numerous advantages over others who already have asic, such as sha256 and script. That is why it is not enough to just make a hard fork to one that already accepted asic and is inferior in security. duh  Tongue

4- Go and study a little more about crypto currencies before talking so much shit

5- I suggest changing your name to grinch.

yeah more centralization is good eh? who doesn't understand the principals of crypto ... Roll Eyes

so why again is it named DE cred ?

ASICs equals CEntralization, its been proven to us by btc - how come you guys don't get such a simple fact.

Don't you have eyes to see and ears to hear?
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