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But I do not think so, now the total network weight is 250 billion, while only 190 billion last month, the coin should not disappear

many of the people who have lost eca. I have lost from cm because until now the market can not be opened and my assets are swallowed therein

Its bee so long since coinsmarket is down.I understand they are only few people but i dont believe they dont have money to pay for support and something is suspicious there.Electra price is day by day going down.Dont know what to expect but i have been here since last December so ill wait even if it drops to 1 Satoshi ill hold

Just wanted to reiterate one fact that an admin of another coin did indeed visit CoinsMarkets.com address since a bunch of their coins were stolen too:

First off:
We completely understand the community's frustrations regarding CoinsMarkets, but do not wish to start a manhunt on the owners to harass or threaten them. This is not the type of impression Lemanum wishes to convey. Recently, I Tiny_Dave/TinyGuy personally traded under 7 Euros worth of Lemanum to check if everything was working as it should be. It was not. The CoinsMarkets situation has adversely effected  the Lemanum community, due to witholding over 20 million Lemanum coins. This is unacceptable.

The address information:
Bitcointalk user “stoffel” created an impressive write-up, which contained all of the contact details they were able to find regarding the location of CoinsMarkets. This can be found here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.27944798. The address details obtained are as follows: “Surinamestraat 26, Den Haag”, which is in The Netherlands. As “stoffel” stated, there is a foundation as well as a business registered to this address. This can be confirmed by visiting the website of the KVK (Dutch Chamber of Commerce): https://www.kvk.nl/zoeken/handelsregister/#!uitgebreid-zoeken&handelsnaam=&kvknummer=&straat=surinamestraat&postcode=&huisnummer=26&plaats=Den Haag&hoofdvestiging=true&rechtspersoon=true&nevenvestiging=true&zoekvervallen=0&zoekuitgeschreven=1&start=0&initial=0&searchfield=uitgebreidzoeken.

A visit from another user:
Another Bitcointalk user under the name “Fred290” visited the above mentioned address. According to Fred, an elderly man opened the door and insisted he was not affiliated with CM https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.27582400. Naturally, this raised further questions.

My first visit:
On 16th January 2018 around 21:00h, I arrived at the Surinamestraat. Lamborghinis, Aston Martins, BMWs as well as a number of other equally flashy and expensive cars were parked on this street. The majority of the houses must have been worth in excess of 150 BTC! The ambassador of Panama also appears to be living here: https://www.google.nl/maps/@52.0902278,4.3074533,3a,28.5y,297.3h,89.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7WGDGFooFNGWgmnMbvWH7A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656.

Having taken in the sites, I then arrived at the property where CM  are supposedly located. To say that the mansion was huge is something of an understatement. The ground floor houses a private gallery for paintings. The second and third floors house swanky living areas for the property's residents. I rang the doorbell multiple times, to no answer. I then wrote a short letter asking to be contacted, and posted this through the letter box. I am yet to receive a response.

My second visit:
On the following day (17th January 2018), around 19:00h, I visited the Surinamestraat again. After ringing the doorbell multiple times, an elderly man screamed through the letter box:

Elderly man: Who is there?
Me: Dave from , I’m here because a company registered a website to this address.
The website is down, and has taken a lot of people's money with it. Since it appears that the owners of the website are unwilling to communicate, I decided to check the address for myself.
Elderly man: What are your contact details?
Me: and .
Elderly man: What is your Fax number?
Me: Fax? I don’t have one.
Elderly man: Mmm ok, so what is the name of the website?
Me: Coinsmarkets.com.
Elderly man: Let me write that down. Can you please read it out?
Me: C o i n s m a r k e t s . c o m.
Elderly man: What did they do?
Me: This is/was a marketplace where you can trade Bitcoin for altcoins. The website went down on the fifth of January.
Elderly man: Say what? Bitcoins and altcoins? I don’t know anything about Bitcoins.
Me: If I may ask, there are two businesses registered to this address and . Do any of these belong to you?
Elderly man: Yes, both of these are my companies. The Foundation was founded by myself 10 years ago, and bares no relation to the trading of Bitcoin.
Me: Are you willing to press charges against CoinsMarkets for fraud?
Elderly man: If it can be proven that my address is falsely being used, then yes.
Me: You can find this on the website whois.com.
Elderly man: Another young man also came here a week ago, and said he had lost money. Did you lose any money too?
Me: Personally, I have lost nothing. People who I know however are extremely concerned that they have lost a lot of money. Millions of Euro are currently being witheld.
Elderly man: How much!?!?!?!?!?
Me: More than one million Euro.
Elderly man: I will read up on the Internet about this site. If my address is being used, rest assured that I will be pressing charges. I will call you before the weekend with an update.

The below picture confirms that I was at said property. Further updates on CoinsMarkets will be provided in due course:
http://i68.tinypic.com/34nje3k.jpg
The sign standing on the roof
http://i68.tinypic.com/4kuwyf.png

Well, if you can use the explorer properly, you can analyze movements on addresses (with timestamp) and thus identify patterns that would give a very high probability (there might be some false positives - but not that many on the larger addresses - and the owners of such addresses could just prove me wrong by shifting some coins now... - But if you are to dumb to learn how to use the explorer, you can cry whatever you want... (And the statement "doesn't belong" sounds "knowledgeable" - so I might as well here your reasoning?

Wrong again - ECA seemed pretty dead most of the time between June to mid december. And, until mid december, coinsmarket was a very marginal exchange. So, with the pump of ECA - not starting before dec. 18th, and culminating between dec. 30th and jan. 3th, became relatively important for just a few days. Then it crashed. While ECA is now down to 1/4 of it's peak price, its still 500 times higher than it was (on average) before the pump, that means for most of its existence. So, while not all is well, it's pretty much more alive than ever before the mid of december.

Websites crash all the time, some come online after a short time, or at least have frequent updates (like Electraproject.org), others don't, like Coinsmarkets.com (at least - til now - and IMO - most likely ever).

this is an example of coinsmarkets communication just blaming people.

CM still has people's coins locked up?? Yikes.

Always take your coins off these exchanges, never trust them

These adresses doesn't belnog to coinsmarkets. You can't know what wallet adress coinsmarkets had two months ago. these claims just bullshits.

And here we see. noone critices ECA. they always find ways to defend themselves. this coin was dead after coinsmarkets down.

And noone try to explain that electraproject.org crashed at the same time with coinsmarkets down.

Well, the wallet is online, and it shows 24038150667.7   ECA, but under the total of "Monney supply" / that is the total monney supply as shown on the explorer, and not the coins on coinsmarkets.


Well, I would like to know where you see the 800 mil on the Explorer - Which addresses do you see as CM adresses. (And of course your right that the 20 + bil is the total supply)

I did a longer analysis with the explorer, and did identify many addresses that I think are most likely on CM. The (not complete) list follow:

ERgSYfQ3xySNcZDwsVeyWW3XpfLAhj3fzS
EKg48DDngAt8H8cgc9apreZYravkkY5ffF
EWGUsCUp6gyA7D6UF7uKGUtjzgc8kjy1jt
EcRumbwBDmAWqtEQBaedfa6237qeR8ozxF
EQcUrxTpkmHAKo5zW4vYUtBaoTYRcNm5D2
EcYuKxiot16fYsaupaa5DEJCCTnZ2GSa7R
ESgBGb6nJpXduUaDysE9QR5k5BodwNuvhj
EXuAohjB386zH6Pc8jtAM9GH2yXpZNYY3a
EX2rkcCBMoZqVTno5e1ydXV8GSaGS82hVu
Eafi1je67LqkvQg7mYs8xRXg5iA4mA8dWN
ETQCNTgWig1PTWwxTyg8DLSUAU2AiY5Ssx
EPDT23J23sDNgUHcqrBdGgyooVGwi8c2D7
EdGZzQ3YpZzgfmLLKUmDuLgvx5unsm9gXC
EPHvv7UHLB9edKcxTs1zEdjRdDMruaoGP5
ES4s9JbPqqwnePwKbEQGK1iP8n8mUGfGpC
EfiS9bfCupxSjg8rT26LPSz1URSd3AtWwx
EcASuAvVLY3Pd33So2CqzatFnvGseLQZrG
EeGRDEaE9oxgss116aqXi54ycC2qeK652Y
EUG6jYe9qKCzYoC3UHdrrRYyCYh3P8Nf3t
ETaUXyXNuUuuuRULuKeXpMWzNdxSyzPsjT
EgLT8GbqZ7xSqy9LJZfCCNDTUWwJ1d7gua
ESB3AvJN9QBbRS4VZuAeAXCPAWPq34AoCW
EPhDjnsXoresHyYeRrdeQEDRLtiHd2KL7M
Ef4A6DtcW4QaKnxJpnDFVtZ4zDayYCdEjL

The total of ECA on those addresses amounts to almost 5 Billion. (I did a systematic check for all the top 50 addresses on the Richlist, and also added some smaller addresses that were created as change addresses trough payouts, and otherwise meet the pattern.

What all of those addresses have in common is that they were created late in december or the first 3 days of january, have received most coins from older big addresses (and usually the bulk from one address only), often had some outpayments before january 3th.
None of those accounts have any transactions between after January 5th and before January 13/14. But all of those accounts are staking very regularly ever since, and none have other transactions (beside stakes) after january 5th.

For the smaller accounts this might not be significant in itself, but accounts with more than 50 Mio coins usually stake daily if they are online. So while some of those addresses might actually not be on CM, I did no systematically check for ranks 51 - 100 of the Richlist,
and there will be many smaller accounts (mostly change addresses), that are on CM as well.

The fact that all this addresses are regularly staking, and that the CM website (on its old - or non https:// - addresses) shows wallets regularly online, doesn't say anything on itself about the likelyhood of CM coming back ever.
The official web address (https://coinsmarkets.com) is not reachable via cloudflare since days.

So - may be - the fact that we can only see the old servers that show no change at all (besides the amounts of coins on the online wallets beeing updated - and the occasional change in the header-text) could also be an indication that the old host just keeps the servers running,
but that nobody of the CM team is ever accessing them. (They might have disolved, the boss might have run without most of the coins, the owner might already be in jail or sufferd a stroke or heart attack and is now in hospital or dead..) - We just no nothing, but the only signs of "activity" - like additional lines in the header from "bear with us" to "few hours" to "last db issues" might as well be the work of a simple hacker..

We know nothing for certain, but if anyone from the team had access and wanted to save his business, he would have tried to communicate better - so, while we don't know what really happend, we can be pretty sure that no competent person is in charge.




While there is no clear indication of cooperation between the ECA-Team and Coinsmarkets, the attitude of the ECA-Team towards critics is at least disturbing. They are usually claiming that they are certain that CM will come back, and strike down so called "FUDers". If they could be certain, they would need to have a connection - what they deny.

But insisting on totally unfounded spreading of confidence / delusions is not helping at all. Creating confidence without base in facts is actually the usual modus operandi of scammers, - and it should be considered a serious crime.

When coinsmarkets crashed about two months ago, at the same night electraproject.org also crashed and not reached about a day. Anyone thinks there is a realtion between ECA and Coinsmarktes.

Also peaople banned from ECA's telegram, discord and reddit pages beacuse of their opinions. Do you think this coin is decentralized?

Coinsmarkets dows about two months ago. how do you trust yourself about CM already transffered all ECAs to another small wallets. Explain us. How do you know. You talk about now and wallets show now stituation not two months ago.

You said I can see it on the Explorer. What address are you talking about? As far as I know, no one knows the address for CM, so no, you can't see it on the Explorer.

ECA is an excellent crypto currency. Never seen such a steep support, quickly, clearly everything is done.

#TOTHEMOON 

Name calling and yelling aside,

Was the ECA mod team aware that the ECA was moved from deposit addresses back in January? If so, why did they keep telling people on Twitter that CM was coming back soon and everything appeared fine?

Cryptopia is in pipeline...
News may come sooner than later

BECAUSE WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT COINSMARKETS IF THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT?

"Hi, I'm an the idiot who walks up to Apple Store to ask about Microsoft products".

Ask yourself this about ECA, why are these ideas banned on their Telegram and Discord?
Why don't the ECA core team want to answer any questions about CM?

Just the beginning of a sinking ship...

If ECA did not recruit every 4chan /biz/ shill to steer their ship things could have been better for them. The circle-jerk bot is a good way to keep people docile though && spam their exchange votes. New white paper after one came out a few weeks ago? Pathetic.

on CM there are around 800 mil coin you can see it on the Explorer. Coinmarkets show the coin supply of the coin not how many coins are on the exchange, 20 bil was the coin circulating supply!

when wallets were on i remember i saw 20 billion on CM , if these coins are back and with not so many people hwo wants them , like last month hype , then normally the price goes down ... anyway on long term i think its possible in 2-3 years for eca to reach 1$