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Topic: [ANN][GRT] Grantcoin: Currency with a Conscience (old thread) - page 13. (Read 36155 times)

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I hoped to get more information about the new proof-of-participation concept from the whitepaper, but I only found superficial description about it. Can you provide some more "mathmatical" information?

The proof-of-participation grants to businesses will be made based on a process of (1) application, (2) qualification, (3) discretion by the Foundation and its national and local affiliates. So, here's an example of how it would go:

1. Companies A, B, and C apply for a grant. They each submit information about their company's activities and business practices according to a template provided by the Foundation.

2. Each company's application is scored according to a scoring system. This is where mathematics will come in. Let's say Company A scores 60/100, Company B scores 85/100, and Company C scores 40/100. Let's say 50/100 is set by the Foundation as the threshold to qualify for a grant, so in this case Company A and B would qualify, but Company C would be eliminated from consideration.

3. Now the grantmaking institution has to decide how much Grantcoin to give to Company A and B. Let's say it's two local businesses in a particular city. So the members of the local affilate of the Grantcoin Foundation in that city would discuss those companies and their merits, and would decide how much to grant to each one.

In terms of the specific qualifications and scoring system, the details have yet to be determined. But in broad terms, it will be based on what's called the Triple Bottom Line, which means companies have to demonstrate evidence that they are profitable, that they are respecting people, and respecting the environment. Companies will be scored in all three of those areas. Within each area there will be more specific criteria. Here is a rough overview from the first draft of our Policy on Grantbanks (national/local grantmaking affiliates):

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6.   Potential recipients of business grants as defined in section 5 above must submit to the Grantbank an application detailing its value or success in all three aspects of the triple bottom line: humanitarian value (positive effect on people and community), environmental value (positive effect on the planet and ecosystem), and economic value (profitability). This may include descriptions of business practices and policies, certifications received, financial data, and other relevant information. At minimum, the applicant must address these areas:
a.   Humanitarian:
i.   Degree of ownership by employees, and opportunities to earn equity or participate in decision-making in the organization, if any.
ii.   Presence of labor unions, if any, and policies in that regard.
iii.   Employee compensation and benefits compared to similar businesses in the same or similar locations.
iv.   Degree of inequality of pay scale and benefits for highest and lowest employees.
v.   Degree of reliance on temporary or part-time labor without benefits.
vi.   Steps taken to source inputs through fair trade imports, if applicable.
vii.   Steps taken to source inputs from companies with humanitarian practices, e.g. avoiding or reducing inputs produced by child labor or other forms of exploitation of workers.
viii.   Participation in community service and charitable donations and activities.
b.   Environmental:
i.   Steps taken to reduce carbon footprint.
ii.   Steps taken to reduce pollution and industrial or consumer waste.
iii.   Policies and practices regarding agriculture, forestry, or animal husbandry, e.g. organic, sustainable, non-GMO, cruelty-free, etc., if applicable.
iv.   Steps taken to source inputs from environmentally responsible companies.
v.   Charitable donations and activities to help the environment.
c.   Economic:
i.   Current revenue, expenses, and profitability (at least breaking even?).
ii.   Revenue trend (growing or declining?).
iii.   Profitability trend (growing or declining?).

The specific granular details of the application, scoring criteria, formulas, and process, are yet to be determined. The Grantcoin Foundation will be building relationships with certifying bodies that have already developed methods for scoring the sustainability of businesses, to learn from their expertise and develop the details of our business grant program accordingly.
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what time do the coins release on the 15th?
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I hoped to get more information about the new proof-of-participation concept from the whitepaper, but I only found superficial description about it. Can you provide some more "mathmatical" information?
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money can never have a concience lol

"The people can never have a seat in government; only the king can rule." -- England, pre-Magna Carta.

"Black people can never be free citizens." -- America, pre-Civil War

"Women can never have the right to vote." -- America, pre-19th Amendment

"[Insert one of dozens of countries here] can never be an independent country; the British Empire will reign." -- all over the world until the mid 20th century

"Gay people can never marry." -- America, a few years ago

So, what does history tell us? That features of society evolve, and things that seem impossible can become possible because people with a conscience decide to make the right thing happen. Who's to say that a more ethical type of money is impossible or can never happen?

And if it were a scam, why would the people involved be using their real names?


money is a different game entirely from people and colonies and rights lol theres no comparison, money cant be fair or it would have no worth or value so use a bit of common sense

how legit are these people though? theres no links/proof theres just some writing saying what they do, how many coins do you know that turned out to be a success that had a public face right from the start (maybe ie's bytecent but even that perished a little)

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this will 100% turn out to be a scam i promise you

money can never have a concience lol

Unless money has a common interest with conscience (i.e. a good that happens to make profit and be marketable.)
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money can never have a concience lol

"The people can never have a seat in government; only the king can rule." -- England, pre-Magna Carta.

"Black people can never be free citizens." -- America, pre-Civil War

"Women can never have the right to vote." -- America, pre-19th Amendment

"[Insert one of dozens of countries here] can never be an independent country; the British Empire will reign." -- all over the world until the mid 20th century

"Gay people can never marry." -- America, a few years ago

So, what does history tell us? That features of society evolve, and things that seem impossible can become possible because people with a conscience decide to make the right thing happen. Who's to say that a more ethical type of money is impossible or can never happen?

And if it were a scam, why would the people involved be using their real names?
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this will 100% turn out to be a scam i promise you

money can never have a concience lol
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is this the best place to look for updates?

Yeah, we'll be keeping this thread regularly updated. Also our Twitter account.
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is this the best place to look for updates?
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can you send me the link to the interviews and your twitter?


Let's Talk Bitcoin interview here.

Twitter @Grantcoin

Bitcoins and Gravy interview will be recorded next week.
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can you send me the link to the interviews and your twitter?
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also, out of curiousity, how do you guys know you have enough attention to roll out less than 15 days after the announcement that grantcoin even exists?

Can't be sure. But we were already interviewed on Let's Talk Bitcoin and we're being recorded for another interview with Bitcoins and Gravy next week, and we're doing aggressive promotion on Twitter, and also the mining reward jumps up a LOT in about 1 week from now. So, with all those things, hopefully it'll be enough attention to get some buying to happen. If the buying doesn't happen as quickly as hoped, it's all cool, it'll happen whenever the right people find out about Grantcoin. Smiley
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okay so I just entered a $25 order on ripple trade for GRT.Grantcoin. So Ill be good for that at the release?

If you establish a trust line with ~Grantcoin for GRT, it should be good to go. For $USD the trading pair where we'll be selling the tokens is USD.SnapSwap, so that's the market I recommend placing your order on.
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okay so I just entered a $25 order on ripple trade for GRT.Grantcoin. So Ill be good for that at the release? also, out of curiousity, how do you guys know you have enough attention to roll out less than 15 days after the announcement that grantcoin even exists?
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you may want to push the rippletrade roll out a bit. RL is having everyone migrate their wallets by the 1st, could be some issues. https://idripple.com/

Thanks for the heads up. We'll have to look into this. Our partners in the Ripple community (One Million Gateways and Rippex) should be able to give us some good advice on whether we should delay trading.
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Oh, and yes, trading will open first on Ripple Trade. We'd like to get on a significant Bitcoin exchange like Bittrex or Poloniex around the same time too, preferably the exact same day, but that's harder to predict because they make their decisions based on perceived demand which is a vague measurement. I hope the 250+ Twitter followers we've gotten in the first 5 days since launch will help sway their decision. Smiley
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@freebird, thank you! is there a link to all of this? and the Excel is empty? how do i get in on the first patch? can I enter an order now? what is the lowest initial sale price? what are the following prices?

There are multiple sheets in the Excel file. First sheet is on-market sales that have already occured (therefore nothing there yet), other sheets in the spreadsheet are planned sales.

We still have to decide how to distribute the planned sales among the various Ripple markets for different currencies. We'll probably do it by GDP of each national currency, so US Dollars and Euros would be the biggest ones, but our Board of Directors hadn't made a decision about this yet and it'll be discussed at our next meeting which is tomorrow. We'll try to put out an updated spreadsheet with planned sales broken down by each currency before trading begins.

Also, as I mentioned, the sales at higher prices, let's say beyond about 10x the opening price, might be reduced if the market can't handle it. It all depends on how much buying interest there is. Our current sales plan reflects what we'd like to see happen, but details are subject to change based on what would be the best course of action to balance the financial needs of the organization with the interest of investors and merchants to have a stable and well-supported price.
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@freebird, thank you! is there a link to all of this? and the Excel is empty? how do i get in on the first patch, is it through rippletrade? can I enter an order now? what are the following prices? also you may want to push the rippletrade roll out a bit. RL is having everyone migrate their wallets by the 1st, could be some issues. https://idripple.com/
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okay I have a feeling this is going to be a near immediate pump and dump on may 15th when GRT ripple trade goes live. Count me in. Im putting in a buy order now, how does one know what the value is exactly? am i just going to guess what itll be then? there wasnt any pre-sale it doesnt look like so I dont really have any bench mark.

$17,500 in capital has already been raised from sales of the tokens to founders and a few other investors, before the existence of Grantcoin was announced publicly. The largest pre-market purchase came from a small private investment company owned by 17 shareholders (disclosure: I am one of them). That sale occurred at the price of $0.000075 USD per GRT.

The Grantcoin Foundation will start selling GRT on exchanges at an opening price of $0.0001 USD, or 0.00000050 BTC, or approximate equivalent in other currencies. There will be amounts for sale at ascending prices, so that when the amount available at one price is sold out, then buyers will have to buy at the next higher price unless people choose to dump.

The current draft of the sales plan is available in this spreadsheet. You will notice that much more GRT is available for sale at higher prices than at lower prices. It's designed that way deliberately, for two reasons:

1. Motivate people to buy at the beginning to get a good price while we're still selling it cheap. If this occurs, it will quickly capitalize the Grantcoin Foundation and enable us to run this project with a high level of professionalism, bring in high-caliber developer talent, afford a strong marketing campaign, etc. Please see Appendix B of our business plan for 4 different levels of budgets, explaining what the money will be spent on, based on how much money we raise.

2. As time goes on, more and more people will be discovering Grantcoin and therefore the network effect should support more units of the token being sold at higher prices after those prices are attained.

One caveat: If sales don't go as expected, or the growth rate of the Grantcoin community is slower than expected, the Foundation may hold back some of the GRT currently planned to be sold, so that there wouldn't be too much resistance on the price. One of the great things about having an organization selling a token is that the organization can use good judgment about how much to sell, when, and for what price. Our team will continually monitor market conditions to make sure that planned sales are not overburdening the market at any given time.

Finally, a very important point: Founders are strictly prohibited by the Grantcoin Foundation Ethics Policy from selling large amounts of the currency unless they publicly disclose their planned sale ahead of time. None of the founders have any plans to sell any, that I know of, for at least a year or two (and even then only small amounts if at all). We all believe in this project and don't want to do anything to jeopardize its success.
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seems interesting.. will look into this later.
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