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Quote from: wwzsocki on November 30, 2019, 03:52:47 PM

Does anybody know how this claiming process will proceed further? What are the next steps and estimated waiting times?...

...You just have to wait to reply you back, they said it may take weeks to months since everything will be checked manually...

Anybody from people who filled their claims already got an answer?

I wonder if this procedure of manually checking the claims already started or not?

Quote from: ansi on December 01, 2019, 05:09:28 PM

...I just hope they don't refuse our claim since we didn't deposit any EVN as should me, since we are not investors, but i'll gladly give 50% of my portion (EVN bounty token) to any lawyer willing to burn their scammy asses to get my portion of those EVN...

Same here I keep wondering what the outcome will be from this claiming process? Of course, I would be also happy to share half of my bounty with anybody who can help get my money back.

Quote from: ansi on December 04, 2019, 02:36:29 PM

...I asked them there (https://t.me/EnvionFounders) this question: " @Laurent, a legal question, what about people buying EVN right now? Do they have the right to file a claim too? "
But they chose to ignore it...

Not the first time they ignore questions which are really important. I still have problems with understanding this claiming process and to be honest, I was searching for information who is really eligible for such a refund and wasn't able to find answers. When I was talking with the claiming service they stated that everyone who thinks that Envion owns him money because of the failed ICO should fill the claim even if they don't have the ENV tokens.

That is why I started to inform bounty hunters about this. Still, nobody knows nothing for sure nothing because such a claiming process is done for the first time ever in crypto space, so I guess we have to take a chill pill and just watch the drama until the end.

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Quote from: xOdiumNostrumx on December 03, 2019, 06:43:28 AM

I would only stick to trusting the info shared in the "Investors" Telegram group as the "Founders" one probably contains some hidden agendas. But yes, once you receive the confirmation email from the liquidator saying that your filed documents are complete and ready to be processes, there is nothing else to do but wait and let the justice system do its thing.

I asked them there (https://t.me/EnvionFounders) this question: " @Laurent, a legal question, what about people buying EVN right now? Do they have the right to file a claim too? "
But they chose to ignore it.

Quote from: xOdiumNostrumx on December 04, 2019, 05:26:56 AM

It is natural that ICO investors should get prioritized, but they stated they will treat every Envion interest group the same, bounty hunters included. Nonetheless they did invest their time and work into the project, so it is not insane that they expect a promised compensation for it.

Legally they took something that is our right since we did the job as agree & we are supposed to be paid with in EVN tokens, I just hope they don't ignore us because if there is even 1% legal exit for this i'm willing to take along with any bounty hunter out there who id EVN Bounty Campaign.

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It is natural that ICO investors should get prioritized, but they stated they will treat every Envion interest group the same, bounty hunters included. Nonetheless they did invest their time and work into the project, so it is not insane that they expect a promised compensation for it.

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Quote from: Freaks on November 26, 2019, 01:42:39 PM

It seems everyone is excited about refund but this is very complicated procedure to get invested money back especially in an ICO. Anyway I also filled the form and submitted it successfully so let's see what happen next and how things will move forward in positive direction.

This is the responsibility of the team of projects that investors participate in. Very good if they return all the funds they have used if the project they develop isn't according to plan.

Did you remember Envion managed to collect more than 100 Million during their ICO, so it will take time to refund them because there are many investors left the cryptocurrency which they don't know what is happening in the background? Instead of thinking about the bounty people better they need an issue to refund to the investors.

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I would only stick to trusting the info shared in the "Investors" Telegram group as the "Founders" one probably contains some hidden agendas. But yes, once you receive the confirmation email from the liquidator saying that your filed documents are complete and ready to be processes, there is nothing else to do but wait and let the justice system do its thing.

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Quote from: wwzsocki on November 30, 2019, 03:52:47 PM

Does anybody know how this claiming process will proceed further? What are the next steps and estimated waiting times?

I tried to find this information and additionally send emails with questions everywhere but never got the answers.

It would be good to know what expect next as for now my claim is under review.

Same question is asked in the two telegram groups concerning this Envion Liquidation.
You just have to wait to reply you back, they said it may take weeks to months since everything will be checked manually.

I just hope they don't refuse our claim since we didn't deposit any EVN as should me, since we are not investors, but i'll gladly give 50% of my portion (EVN bounty token) to any lawyer willing to burn their scammy asses to get my portion of those EVN.

Quote from: xOdiumNostrumx on December 01, 2019, 12:43:33 PM

No idea to be honest, but it will take a while. I was lurking in the "Envion Investors" channel and there is a lot of mentions of this process taking more than a year, so it wouldn't be strange if we see its epilogue in 2021. When there is some movement forward, it will surely be announced in the mentioned Telegram channel, so keep an eye on it.

To be honest, if it wasn't in Switzerland (or Germany) it would be simply a team vanishing with the money. It seems that some hard ass investors won't let them go away with it, the ones who invested heavily in this shit.
I guess those investors won't mind wait more months or even years to get back their money or even a portion of it, better than nothing.

I suppose WE BOUNTY HUNTERS can make their lives miserable too since everything is documented, i suppose it's the same SCAM made to investors hurt us too, we had an agreement, they broke it, so...

I just hope we get our right there.

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No idea to be honest, but it will take a while. I was lurking in the "Envion Investors" channel and there is a lot of mentions of this process taking more than a year, so it wouldn't be strange if we see its epilogue in 2021. When there is some movement forward, it will surely be announced in the mentioned Telegram channel, so keep an eye on it.

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Does anybody know how this claiming process will proceed further? What are the next steps and estimated waiting times?

I tried to find this information and additionally send emails with questions everywhere but never got the answers.

It would be good to know what expect next as for now my claim is under review.

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Quote from: ansi on November 28, 2019, 03:03:43 PM

That' indeed the most logical article about LUP, they can simple make legal actions to even give you back 1 EVN worth $0.1 or even less & you can't do shit about it. These bastard seems to try to cover their asses by law since there seem to be harsh time to come for them if investor case tak them to court again "whether they make it up to investors or go to jail ".
There is no other explanation with their bullshit LUP, like the article states. except they wanna a LEGAL EXIT for their EVN SCAM by scamming investors again.

Indeed, it is kinda transparent when you put all the puzzle pieces in the right place. But hey, a lot of people still refuse to believe that they have a "hidden" agenda, even after being presented with some facts like those in the above article. I hope there will be a torrent of PoA revokes in the coming days.

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Quote from: xOdiumNostrumx on November 28, 2019, 09:14:19 AM

Indeed, but sadly only a few people lurk here I assume, most of them are in the "Envion founders" Telegram group, more than 4 thousand of them, so I am sure that LUP will receive hundreds of PoA forms. That being said, how can founders claim they have additional 25M € at disposal if Envion and all of its money/assets is in the liquidation process, I dont get it.

edit: never mind, got all the answers from this extensive article: https://telegra.ph/Fact-check-Will-Envion-founders-really-donate-millions-to-the-crypto-community-10-06[/quote]
That' indeed the most logical article about LUP, they can simple make legal actions to even give you back 1 EVN worth $0.1 or even less & you can't do shit about it. These bastard seems to try to cover their asses by law since there seem to be harsh time to come for them if investor case tak them to court again "whether they make it up to investors or go to jail ".
There is no other explanation with their bullshit LUP, like the article states. except they wanna a LEGAL EXIT for their EVN SCAM by scamming investors again.

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Quote from: wwzsocki on November 28, 2019, 08:26:19 AM

I think this is very important information and not many people know about this so is great that you share it because we can help to spread the word a little more.

It is just insane that Envion founders came up with this claiming service and tried to hide that they are behind it.

I am sure that many more people have already fill up this PoA form and still believe they are in good hands in the claiming process, so this is good to talk about this in the open.

Envion team tried to influence the claiming process for obvious reasons but ICO investors checked everything and came out that Envion founders could not do it even if they wanted to.

Indeed, but sadly only a few people lurk here I assume, most of them are in the "Envion founders" Telegram group, more than 4 thousand of them, so I am sure that LUP will receive hundreds of PoA forms. That being said, how can founders claim they have additional 25M € at disposal if Envion and all of its money/assets is in the liquidation process, I dont get it.

edit: never mind, got all the answers from this extensive article: https://telegra.ph/Fact-check-Will-Envion-founders-really-donate-millions-to-the-crypto-community-10-06

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Quote from: xOdiumNostrumx on November 28, 2019, 05:09:49 AM

If anyone else changed their mind regarding the LUP and want to revoke the agreement with them, send them an email in which you state your intention of revocation (and CC the same email to liquidator as well). Liquidator should then open up your Konkhurs dashboard and make it editable, so you will able to delete the PoA form and re-upload the claim (without the legal representatives name). /thanks to a kind person on Telegram for assistance

I think this is very important information and not many people know about this so is great that you share it because we can help to spread the word a little more.

It is just insane that Envion founders came up with this claiming service and tried to hide that they are behind it.

I am sure that many more people have already fill up this PoA form and still believe they are in good hands in the claiming process, so this is good to talk about this in the open.

Envion team tried to influence the claiming process for obvious reasons but ICO investors checked everything and came out that Envion founders could not do it even if they wanted to.

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Quote from: wwzsocki on November 28, 2019, 04:16:08 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Here:
https://www.liquidation-upgrade-program.org/

I think you are not aware of that but this is Envion founders website and this is already well known as another obvious scam from them.

They can't be trusted as you know and the only one claiming website which is legit for Envion ICO is this one: https://portal.envion-konkurs.ch/login

This is obvious because this is stated in the Envion case and the judge confirmed that we should fill the claims only there.

What a shame that you shared this link so late.

You told me that you have signed some papers there and give legal authority to them to act in your case? Or something similar?

(I have removed most of my reply as it is obvious I didn't do the necessary due diligence regarding the LUP)

Thanks for giving me paranoia haha, but its definitely a fair question/issue to be raised. Maybe a lot of us (hundreds) really fucked up when filling the PoA, there is no way back now I guess, time will tell.

edit 1: I as well revoked my PoA agreement, I hope its not too late, thanks for the heads up wwzsocki.

edit 2: If anyone else changed their mind regarding the LUP and want to revoke the agreement with them, send them an email in which you state your intention of revocation (and CC the same email to liquidator as well). Liquidator should then open up your Konkhurs dashboard and make it editable, so you will able to delete the PoA form and re-upload the claim (without the legal representatives name). /thanks to a kind person on Telegram for assistance

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Here:
https://www.liquidation-upgrade-program.org/

I think you are not aware of that but this is Envion founders website and this is already well known as another obvious scam from them.

They can't be trusted as you know and the only one claiming website which is legit for Envion ICO is this one: https://portal.envion-konkurs.ch/login

This is obvious because this is stated in the Envion case and the judge confirmed that we should fill the claims only there.

What a shame that you shared this link so late.

You told me that you have signed some papers there and give legal authority to them to act in your case? Or something similar?

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They wont be able to refund all of the collected funds as some of it has been "lost" in the process of conversion from crypto to fiat, some of it has been spent by the team, some by the scammy ex-CEO, some of it for legal expenses etc. But apparently there is still a hefty amount of it left, so better than nothing and a welcomed surprise for ICO investors as most of them probably already made their peace with their failed investment.

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Quote from: Freaks on November 26, 2019, 01:42:39 PM

It seems everyone is excited about refund but this is very complicated procedure to get invested money back especially in an ICO. Anyway I also filled the form and submitted it successfully so let's see what happen next and how things will move forward in positive direction.

This is the responsibility of the team of projects that investors participate in. Very good if they return all the funds they have used if the project they develop isn't according to plan.

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Quote from: xOdiumNostrumx on November 26, 2019, 05:10:47 AM

...LUP is "Liquidation Upgrade Program", a different entity which has a substantial amount of Envion funds in their possession. Its basically an upgrade of your regular liquidation claim, so a chance to get more "refund" if your claim with a liquidator is accepted...

Thank you very much for this detailed answer. Would you be so kind and provide the exact link to this LUP website or service (don't know how to call it properly)?

I have PMed at least these members from the signature campaign which had some stakes counted.

This is not so hard to count stakes and at least we can have the big numbers for signature or translation and divide it between participants or something like this.

Quote from: Freaks on November 26, 2019, 01:42:39 PM

It seems everyone is excited about refund but this is very complicated procedure to get invested money back especially in an ICO. Anyway I also filled the form and submitted it successfully so let's see what happen next...

The most important thing as for now is to let the claiming service know about bounty hunters and our not paid tokens which are in the Envion prospectus and were counted for liquidation and claiming process, I assume.

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It seems everyone is excited about refund but this is very complicated procedure to get invested money back especially in an ICO. Anyway I also filled the form and submitted it successfully so let's see what happen next and how things will move forward in positive direction.

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No worries, there is another translator who "woke up" today, so we are slowly growing in numbers Grin

And yea, its definitely worth trying, even if at the end we get ignored by the liquidator. But they said we will be treated equally as the ICO investors, so yes, give it a go. And I doubt there is any risk of our KYCs getting leaked etc. as this is a professional law firm, its not some half shady crypto entity as usual.

When it comes to contacting even more people, most of the people are missing stakes on the spreadsheet, so they would probably fail to calculate their token amount, so I have doubts here.

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Quote from: xOdiumNostrumx on November 26, 2019, 05:10:47 AM

In fact one person did reply and thanked me for a heads up (and he plans to file a claim), maybe some others have seen the message as well, who knows.

To answer your question about LUP and PoA. LUP is "Liquidation Upgrade Program", a different entity which has a substantial amount of Envion funds in their possession. Its basically an upgrade of your regular liquidation claim, so a chance to get more "refund" if your claim with a liquidator is accepted. PoA is "Power of Attorney" form which you have to fill to be a part of LUP. So LUP is basically a chance to get a bigger payout, but it is not a necessity. You can still participate only in the "basic" liquidation without LUP. There is no deadline to join the LUP (for now), but you had to include your signed PoA when filling your liquidation claim, so the liquidator is aware that you are a part of LUP, so I am not sure if you can include the PoA form after you already completed the liquidation claim.

Thanks again man, no one would imagine there is 0.0001% of hope with this EVN bullshit, but who knows, i'll jut print, then scan that form later today & upload it again, i hope this works.

I won't blame the other tbh, it's been 2 years, even if it's our last shot as bounty hunters is kind of impossible but doesn't hurt to try though, it's kind of SCAM by that company, i just hope they don't forget about us.

If i just knew about this weeks ago like some of you i would made it possible to contact every single bounty hunter, but now it's kind of too lat since the deadline is November 28-219 like you told me.

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