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Topic: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure - page 64. (Read 125669 times)

legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1003
All people who sold their tokens for 80 or 90 cents are very happy today. It was not a good project and it will not be a good project. no machine in the world can make that much roi. many investors were aware of this before. It was a big risk to invest here.

If you admit this every investment has risk factor than it is opportunity for those who still believe it will make comeback one day no matter it going down and today is a horrible day for all early investors. I hope that issue will get resolve soon because huge money involve into this project.
member
Activity: 149
Merit: 10
This a theater now, smoke and mirrors from both sides!
member
Activity: 364
Merit: 11
All people who sold their tokens for 80 or 90 cents are very happy today. It was not a good project and it will not be a good project. no machine in the world can make that much roi. many investors were aware of this before. It was a big risk to invest here.
jr. member
Activity: 224
Merit: 9
So much confusion right now.. What will happen exactly on 16th July? Someone can resume the article? I just want to know if we lost all or not, and please, i mean someone impartial, not people that love to spread fud.
I never moved my tokens, and probably will never do it.
member
Activity: 364
Merit: 11
Have fun watching the containers drive away with your money. I fear that a lot of people are going to get their hands burned by this ICO. I hope it proves me wrong.  Undecided

What brings you to think of it this way?
The team seems reliable, serious and transparent and the idea is pleasant and functional.




Envion (EVN)   $0,367250 USD (-6,23%)

i think jimmywh was right then




You don't have to write anything for that anymore. A Chaotic Project and a Chaotic End. The last one turns off the light
newbie
Activity: 24
Merit: 3
It is getting more and more confusing now....Mattias woestmann defends himself....https://vimeo.com/270132415
member
Activity: 149
Merit: 10
this idiots dont even know funds wallets adresses
newbie
Activity: 35
Merit: 0
It was so clear that this is a scam.

I tried to warn everybody, just go back in this thread.

However maybe you listen now.

This is not going anywhere, they produced 40 mio tokens more than allowed and announced which was  planned scam within the smart contract, so from the first moment it was a scam, its not something they discovered now.

They did not deliver anything.
They claim 161% which is completely impossible.
They go to a german court now to resolve this.. it will take years to resolve this.

They cannot pay back the money because 30% was produced fraudulent.

Now they will continue with more excuses over the next months or weeks.

However, all these crazy claims of 161, 171,300 and 400% are all scams.



member
Activity: 149
Merit: 10
they lies, it  was planned from beggining

Ask them show proof they sued this guy, u will never see it
full member
Activity: 207
Merit: 101
USD 0.235091 (-20.36%)
0.00002826 BTC (-18.22%)
0.00033523 ETH (-18.28%)

This is really bad news from Envion again.  The price also goes far down. Now you have to wait and see what happens in the next days and weeks.

$0,165698 USD (-44,17%)
0,00002009 BTC (-42,20%)
0,00023902 ETH (-42,06%)
Source: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/envion/
Not bad for one day. Shocked
sr. member
Activity: 518
Merit: 258
 USD 0.235091 (-20.36%)
0.00002826 BTC (-18.22%)
0.00033523 ETH (-18.28%)

This is really bad news from Envion again.  The price also goes far down. Now you have to wait and see what happens in the next days and weeks.
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 501
Blockchain Just Entered The Real World
Now at least we got a new date. People wait July 16, that's exactly 2 months later. I don't know if the token stay at same price at that time.
member
Activity: 308
Merit: 11
EVN2 is a scam coin designed to cheat you out of your EVN.   Your EVN is protected by a legal contract.  If you transfer to EVN2 you'll lose everything if Woestmann is convicted.  Keep you EVN and you have full rights to a company that must be run according to WP and agreement.
member
Activity: 149
Merit: 10
There is no proof they real company as there is no office adress listed, and thats ridiculous. Every other serious ICO/company u get adresses on thier website, like office etc...

Envion removed it didnt they.
full member
Activity: 420
Merit: 105
ENVION is a project that I consider to be both a great short-term investment and a great long-term investment. I've been following this project for quite some time, so my opinion holds SOME value, all in all. However, I don't know how to feel about the current/ICO price difference.
NrX
sr. member
Activity: 770
Merit: 254
Many things still are arguable from this long post on the current status of the project. People are not asking to create false hype to pump the price but simply demanding to make assure of listing on bigger exchanges to provide them opportunity to trade EVN at more volume based trading platforms. Falling price are because of lack of volume and those things were not explained at start which are being used now to explain.
jr. member
Activity: 224
Merit: 9
I see a lot of people fail to understand some basic things about Envion, and are spreading FUD here. I will address some of the misunderstandings, so maybe people will not ask the same questions over and over again and understand how things work:

1) Bounty payments

Bounty payments WILL NOT be paid in the first six months after the ICO was over. Since the ICO was over on January 16, there is zero possibility to receive the bounty tokens before July 16. No matter how much FUD bounty hunters will spread, and no matter how many times they will ask about their bounty, it is impossible for bounties to be distributed before July 16.

The technical reason why bounties cannot be distributed before the date is simple: credit card ICO investors. Credit card payments are reversible in the first 6 months since the purchase. They are not Bitcoin or Ethereum, where once you spend there is no turning back. This is why the tokens of credit card investors are locked and cannot be released. Before the 6 months period is over, there is no way for Envion team to know how much money has been raised in the ICO and how many tokens must be issued to investors.
Credit card investors can still ask for chargebacks from their banks, and it is still possible for some of those investments to be cancelled, resulting in less money from the ICO and less tokens to be created.

Now, since the number of EVN tokens that will be given to Bounty Hunters is proportional to the total number of EVN tokens issued to investors, it is impossible to calculate the bounties before all tokens are released to investors, and the additional tokens burned.

So, for all the bounty hunters asking about their bounty and why are they not paid yet, the answer is simple: it is impossible to get paid before all investors are paid (this was clearly stated in the whitepaper), and credit card investors cannot be paid before 6 months are over since the ICO. Bounties can be calculated and paid only after July 16, and not before.

2) Another question people are asking since the last Envion update is why the ICO funds were still not used for the building of MMUs, and why the CEO is not giving approval yet.

There is a very logical reason for this situation. Envion AG is a company that wants to maximize returns for shareholders (token holders), and this is why it must spend the ICO money in the most efficient way. Building MMUs one by one as if they were hand crafted (the prototypes) is very expensive, and the price per MMU would be very high.
In order to greatly reduce the cost of each MMU, Envion first had to prepare everything for mass production, which results in economies of scale and greatly reduces costs per unit.

The CEO must first ensure that mass production is ready at a very efficient cost rate, and with a very high quality control standard, in order to avoid errors, defects and cost overruns. Only once the CEO is confident that mass production is ready to be implemented in an efficient manner he will give the green light for the ICO funds to be used.

It is only 4 months since the ICO is over, and it is absurd to expect Envion to be able to start mass production in such a short period of time. It would have been irresponsible from their part to hurry things up just to give updates to the community. What is important is for the ICO funds to be used wisely and in an efficient manner. If setting up an efficient mass production for MMUs will result in halving the cost per unit, it would be insane to start producing right away instad of setting up the mass production efficiently.

This is a real business, and the way they presented the situation in the last update shows that the Envion team is on track with everything and they are doing things in a professional manner instead of hurrying up just to appease investors who don't understand how a real business is run.

3) There is great concern about the falling price, and people ask Envion to release announcements in order to manipulate the market and pump up the price.

This is a crazy idea, since Envion AG is a real company that must respect the laws. Artificially pumping the price of securities is illegal, since it is considered market manipulation / insider trading. Doing this can result in jail time.

Remember that EVN tokens are securities, not coins.

Also, the purpose of Envion is to run the company efficiently and generate profits to distribute to token holders. The token price doesn't matter at all for the company, since they stated in the whitepaper that they do not intend to rise additional funds by issuing new tokens. If they don't want to raise more funds from token sales, the price is totally irrelevant for the company.

There is also another opportunity for Envion if the token price goes very low. The company can proceed to buy-back some of the tokens from the market with the ICO proceeds, or with the mining profits. Buying back tokens at low price and destroying them can be a great way to increase revenue per token for the remaining token holders. Large companies do this all the time (buying back and destroying shares) in order to increase the Earnings per Share. I hope Envion will do the same if the token price becomes extremely cheap.

You should be a part of the team if you are still not! Thanks for this message, it is so good for newbie and impatient people that don't want to understand that this is a real and professional company.. they see Envion as a fast way to make money out from nothing..
This company has a very nice project, let them keep working, also in silent.. no need to write everytime here and also 1 time/month is still enough for updates.
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