Topic: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure - page 65. (Read 125669 times)

I see a lot of people fail to understand some basic things about Envion, and are spreading FUD here. I will address some of the misunderstandings, so maybe people will not ask the same questions over and over again and understand how things work:

1) Bounty payments

Bounty payments WILL NOT be paid in the first six months after the ICO was over. Since the ICO was over on January 16, there is zero possibility to receive the bounty tokens before July 16. No matter how much FUD bounty hunters will spread, and no matter how many times they will ask about their bounty, it is impossible for bounties to be distributed before July 16.

The technical reason why bounties cannot be distributed before the date is simple: credit card ICO investors. Credit card payments are reversible in the first 6 months since the purchase. They are not Bitcoin or Ethereum, where once you spend there is no turning back. This is why the tokens of credit card investors are locked and cannot be released. Before the 6 months period is over, there is no way for Envion team to know how much money has been raised in the ICO and how many tokens must be issued to investors.
Credit card investors can still ask for chargebacks from their banks, and it is still possible for some of those investments to be cancelled, resulting in less money from the ICO and less tokens to be created.

Now, since the number of EVN tokens that will be given to Bounty Hunters is proportional to the total number of EVN tokens issued to investors, it is impossible to calculate the bounties before all tokens are released to investors, and the additional tokens burned.

So, for all the bounty hunters asking about their bounty and why are they not paid yet, the answer is simple: it is impossible to get paid before all investors are paid (this was clearly stated in the whitepaper), and credit card investors cannot be paid before 6 months are over since the ICO. Bounties can be calculated and paid only after July 16, and not before.

2) Another question people are asking since the last Envion update is why the ICO funds were still not used for the building of MMUs, and why the CEO is not giving approval yet.

There is a very logical reason for this situation. Envion AG is a company that wants to maximize returns for shareholders (token holders), and this is why it must spend the ICO money in the most efficient way. Building MMUs one by one as if they were hand crafted (the prototypes) is very expensive, and the price per MMU would be very high.
In order to greatly reduce the cost of each MMU, Envion first had to prepare everything for mass production, which results in economies of scale and greatly reduces costs per unit.

The CEO must first ensure that mass production is ready at a very efficient cost rate, and with a very high quality control standard, in order to avoid errors, defects and cost overruns. Only once the CEO is confident that mass production is ready to be implemented in an efficient manner he will give the green light for the ICO funds to be used.

It is only 4 months since the ICO is over, and it is absurd to expect Envion to be able to start mass production in such a short period of time. It would have been irresponsible from their part to hurry things up just to give updates to the community. What is important is for the ICO funds to be used wisely and in an efficient manner. If setting up an efficient mass production for MMUs will result in halving the cost per unit, it would be insane to start producing right away instad of setting up the mass production efficiently.

This is a real business, and the way they presented the situation in the last update shows that the Envion team is on track with everything and they are doing things in a professional manner instead of hurrying up just to appease investors who don't understand how a real business is run.

3) There is great concern about the falling price, and people ask Envion to release announcements in order to manipulate the market and pump up the price.

This is a crazy idea, since Envion AG is a real company that must respect the laws. Artificially pumping the price of securities is illegal, since it is considered market manipulation / insider trading. Doing this can result in jail time.

Remember that EVN tokens are securities, not coins.

Also, the purpose of Envion is to run the company efficiently and generate profits to distribute to token holders. The token price doesn't matter at all for the company, since they stated in the whitepaper that they do not intend to rise additional funds by issuing new tokens. If they don't want to raise more funds from token sales, the price is totally irrelevant for the company.

There is also another opportunity for Envion if the token price goes very low. The company can proceed to buy-back some of the tokens from the market with the ICO proceeds, or with the mining profits. Buying back tokens at low price and destroying them can be a great way to increase revenue per token for the remaining token holders. Large companies do this all the time (buying back and destroying shares) in order to increase the Earnings per Share. I hope Envion will do the same if the token price becomes extremely cheap.

i lost all hope from this one nothing will happen it seems.

I can buy your tokens that you bought in ico for more than half the price right now so not sure the waitint game was eorth it

can you not wait for little more ? bounty hunters getting frustrated from this project.
over 4 months have passed. but they are not responding to bounty hunters. 
ico price was 1$ per evn but now envion price getting down and now price at 0.29$.
they have response to bounty hunters as soon as possible ..

In current scenario that is already turned into long term investment but there is no relief for investors with good news and updated roadmap to make faster this process. If people are picking this token on current price they will get chance to reduce their lose in case of early investment in ICO. I also waiting for this good moment.

Why do you think that the same team that has not delivered on their promises to bounty partners will deliver on their promises to EVN holders ?

Here you are. Your bounty 

that will be awesome if price goes that down
and buy at 95% down from its ICO price will surely gives buyer a lot of profit
but i think buyer need to hold tokens for long term
maybe next year envion will starts grow and then holder will be happy but the problem is long term holding need a lot of patience

when will the bountry token distribution? it's almost 5 months , any news ?

And why do you think that manipulating the price by playing the market would be somehow legal? If the price would indeed go to -95% wouldn't it be awesome news if you want to lower your buy in average?

Personally think this channel should be shut down. Offers little to the community and is a hot bed for scammers, spammers and fudsters.

I just don't understand Envion team. The price is falling every day and they do nothing to stop this. Just sell some news, give frequent updates, come here to talk with your investors. This will give some hope and confidence to investors and bag holders. You have to play with the market. If there will be still only one update in two months, the price will reach -95% from ICO price in next few months.

$0,286071 USD (-2,46%)
0,00003413 BTC (-1,57%)
0,00040841 ETH (-4,69%)

this really doesn't look good for the early investors. but now the price is cheap and you can buy even more ENVION cheap.is the team still here?     

Still, there is no announcement about bounty because they didn't update spreadsheet till now and how long they are going to take? Communication is the major thing in crypto and after raising nearly 100 Million dollars they are not caring about anybody?

KYC completed but they are not showing. weird! few days ago they released updates about investors.
they really dont care about bounty hunters.
they should think about bounty hunters because they collected above $100 Million only cause of bounty hunters. 

Took a long while after the ICO is raised. How many employees are there in the company?
A lot of been talked about auditing and compliance. If true, then some financial facts should be available to investors, else, what's the point of all the audits and compliance.

and that they have not even paid the tokens? already for a long time promised that soon, in calculation of multts clean and other. 100 million collected, and about the bounty forgotten . and the team they have at least real?

we aren't talking about "every" - deploying funds was never supposed to be a "move" its just a standard function which has clearly been overcomplicated....
I still can't believe I am part of a project where 5 months on I am looking forward to the news that the ICO funds are released and to understand the reason why they were held unexpectedly....

But they know this - and they still don't communicate on the important issues....Instead we are now "Hoping" on an update before the end of the month... Ridiculous.

Hey there, I bought tokens last year and I did not know that I need to be an accredited investor to have access to it. I am not an accredited investor and I do not have enough funds to be one. How am I  going to access my tokens then?