Topic: [ANN][ICO][VAR] 🐬 Blue Frontiers (VARYON) - Sustainable floating islands 🐬 (Read 26154 times)

Thanks for info, it was an extraordinary project with a good idea - autonomous crypto island. There were also good and well-known people as organizers, unfortunately it did not work out

it seems like there is no more bounty program for this project,
or you try, you can find out the information on the Varyon telegram or btcltcdigger

Can you please say Is there currently bounty program for this new project? Thank you in advance

Further prospect is https://ocean.builders

The project has canceled bounty, are there any further prospects? Does anyone have more info on the project?

https://ocean.builders/the-worlds-first-seastead-is-in-the-water/

The first seastead is in the water.

Not Blue Frontiers related but for those that are willing to buy an actual seastead, let me know via PM.

*not looking for investors, just neighbors*

Ya, I really wanted them to go ahead with the main sale. They decided that since it would be a while before they had anything concrete in French Polynesia it was disingenuous to move ahead with the sale. You'd basically be buying tokens that may never be used. But they're still working on getting things going. I visited the atoll they're considering and it's perfect for a seastead.

They're still distributing varyon. It's just not currently tied to anything since they don't have a location to build anything.

What's the meaning of that?I don't get my tokens?It's mean,I was in a social media bounty, I was making a video review, and now you're telling me I'm not gonna get a reward for my work?It's terrible, another hoax.

So the latest update is that Blue Frontiers will not be moving ahead with the main sale. All pre-sale purchases are being refunded and varyon is still being issued with no obligations to Blue Frontiers.

The timing was just not right, the bear market plus French Polynesia taking their own sweet time to get a site approved just makes it so that moving forward with the main sale right now just doesn't make sense. Blue Frontiers is still moving forward, they're working on obtaining funding through more traditional means and narrowing their focus down to utilize the work they have already put in, mainly focusing on the sea zone and regulation side of things. The $100k contest to find a suitable seasteading location is still moving forward with about a dozen contestants moving into the second round with locations all over the world.

Hopefully the timing of having several locations along with the market swinging back upward will allow for a future sale but that may not be necessary.

Hopefully, when the main sales take place in October, many investors join the project so that the sales target can be achieved.

In addition to delays in the token sales, there were also many extensions. The market doesn't seem to be positive for ICOs! The bad news is that many projects fail to take risks! Maybe they could be well accepted and go against the trend! But they're afraid to try.

Many projects development has  has been slowed down due bad market situation last 6 months,but its good to hear that Varyon team is still going strong,and working on the idea that is really something different from most of other crypto projects,and just for that(on top of all other good ideas that this project is trying to omplement) i would really love to see them succeed.

Definitely still going. The main sale is being planned for October. Several announcements coming soon.

whether the project is still running? and how the development of the current project? because I look at the website of pre-sale ends. and whether they will make sales ico?

seasteading since the 1981?... nah look further back, research buckminster fullar in the 1960's
plus floating homes have been around awhile now.. so i keep questioning why hasnt seasteading/blue frontiers moved forward..

you mention the "memo".

1. its not contract
2. the details, idea/gameplan for a project in French polonesia is different from what was proposed to the locals and what you tell investors of this utopian hype.

by the way
that memo was voided in january 2018. as no progress had been made.
secondly. the plan was to make CHEAP residences for the locals(they were told/hoped for). but the seastead investment and project was to make a independant tech colony for outsiders.

heres part of the discussion before the memo production
http://uk.businessinsider.com/silicon-valley-seasteading-institute-2016-9?r=US&IR=T
*platform for 30 people=$15m cost.. ($500k pp or $1.5m per small family)
*break ground in 2017

the seastead institute likes to buzzword things. like
french polynesia .. but they pulled out in january (SO STOP HIGHLIGHTING A MEMO..)
peter thiel... but he pulled out in 2011.. (SO STOP HIGHLIGHTING HIM)
 see how elwar "big buzzed" peters entrance of 2008 but does not buzz his exit in 2011, thus subliminally/subtly trying to make investors assume peter thiel still is part and still approves of seasteading.

sorry but peter does not.

french polynesia were told it would be a project that would give residences a place to live. yet the reality is a real estate deal where french polynesia gets ZERO economic benefit and those seasteads are made for the techno-rich population looking for a tax haven.

and lets get back to a point i have tried hinting at many times. the ecological negative of such a project.. waste managemnt.. as far back as 2008-9 there were many controversies.. elwar. go research russ george

but lets get to the crux of it
1. it does not take 4-20 years to make a float
2. it does not take millions to make a float to sstain a family
3 if you take all the buzzwords, fame-naming, and glossy pictures away. you soon see a big lack in an actual business/development plan.

to me its just empty plan that a 15yo could write up over 3 days and not something that really shows the detail needed that goes byond google searches that a real business plan would include. i can se why peter thiel left.

now how many people invested a few thousand with hopes of one day getting to live in french polynesia...
firstly if its more than 300.. many will get some bad news in a few years.
secondly if you think it will be cheaper than a land based house.. again bad news (yet non blu frontiers projects can make floating homes that are still in the housing retail market range!!)
thirdly if you think it will be free of government.. again bad news
fourthly if your one of the 75 local residents the blue frontiers promises and guarantees a home too.. i got bad news for you
fifly if you think after 10 years of seasteading in which elwar says he has had an partial interest in since 2008 things should be moving. but...


nope. all the funds thus far have been wasted on vacations and parties(elwar admits njoying his time in tahiti.. long with a team of others partying with investors funds)

also
while its been years that the seastead institute has been promoting all their crap and not moving forward. other projects unrelatd to the seasteading institute have actually got people living on the water
here is just one from 2015
https://www.amusingplanet.com/2015/06/the-floating-houses-of-ijburg-amsterdam.html

again for emphasis.. has NOTHING to do with the seasteading institute. and yet they made these at less cost, time and less buzzwords of promise. they just "got it dun"

the sea steading/bluefrontiers/varyon want to still be at a "insteading" stage way into mid 2020's yet many places around the world started and have already got past the 'insteading" stag years ago.

which if elwar done his research would se how blue frontiers/seasteading institute are very very empty of actual action

lastly.
for every CGI image elwar can publish of a buiding that has NO architectural detail of actual functional design (meaning only looks good but wont work out)
i can show you many images of floating residences that actually exist and are part of thier own water based community
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/floating-neighborhood-view-several-float-homes-calm-water-portland-oregon-columbia-river-washington-state-54410363.jpg

http://jfgrowotherseje.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/floating-homes-for-sale-portland-floating-home-floating-homes-floating-homes-for-sale-by-owner-floating.jpg

Great opportunity for a history lesson for everyone. Seasteading has been around since 1981. First mentioned in the book Sailing the Farm.

Wayne Gramlich brought it into the forefront in his article "Seasteading – Homesteading on the High Seas" (1998).

Patri Friedman, grandson of Milton Friedman, became interested in seasteading from Gramlich's work and the two collaborated on a book in 2001. The two ended up starting The Seasteading Institute (TSI) in 2008. The big buzz being that Peter Thiel donated about $500k in matching funds to get TSI started.

The Seasteading Institute has gone through several presidents, boards, etc. in the 10 years that they've been around. Patri staying on as a board member.

Randy Hencken and Joe Quirk were the main folks running TSI since 2012.

Marc Collins, former Minister of Tourism of French Polynesia contacted TSI late in 2016 telling TSI that French Polynesia was the perfect place for seasteading due to the rising sea levels affecting their islands with no viable solutions in sight. Ironically he contacted TSI after reading a "seasteading is dead" obituary article (sound familiar?).

In January of 2017 the president of French Polynesia signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with TSI to begin a pilot project in a protected lagoon in one of French Polynesia's many islands. TSI, being a non-profit, set up the for-profit company Blue Frontiers in May of 2017 to manage the Special Economic Zone which would be created by French Polynesia.

My interest in seasteading goes back to 2008. I was interested in it for the same reasons I started following Bitcoin back in 2010. I think they can both disrupt the power structure of the world in similar ways. I see Blue Frontiers as the most viable project that has come along in this space and fully support them.

I am also excited by the fact that no matter what your criticism, the project will move forward. I look forward to many obituary posts from you as we grow and move forward. 

i swear elwar your such a deceptive person your now pretending you have only been involved for a year and prtending your innocent of any previous knowledge.

your infographic mentions 2040.. and also that your not gonna start for a few years..
i simply done a comparison to another big development which actually complete in a few years. but i tweaked the scentiment to show how things would be different if building WTC1 was told that they wont start for years and wont finish for decades... people would start asking questions.

it really is funny how a 104 storey building can be planned designed and constructed in less time than when sea steading started being a buzzworded.. and where is sea steading today.. still no where near even making its first floor

and i have been pointing out to you that your involvement in this sceme has been for much longer than just 1 year

to everyone else
here was elwar trying it in 2016. to fundrase to buy a boat for multimillions just so his buddies can use it as a "office" so they can discuss for years how to fundraise for their seasteading..


here is elwar back in 2013 talking about sasteading

yea they had a 2012-2017 plan tooo.. oh look 2018......... still no float

I swear franky, sometimes I think you're posting from a time machine. I'm glad you're enjoying looking into Blue Frontiers which just celebrated their one year anniversary in May.

I will enjoy Tahiti. I did quite well as an early adopter of your project, Bitcoin. So thank you.

Always a pleasure reading your posts.

+merited

elwar
my responses to you were due to YOUR announcements and YOUR fundraising. for a project YOUR involved in.
if you introduced me to your buddies i would also say the word "YOUR" to them (meaning it was their project)

i cant say OUR because i decided not to waste my funds in this bottomless pit of money grabbing but no physical results for years

ill put it simply like this
i did not make bitcoin.. bitcoin is not my company.. but bitcoin is mine because i am involved, invested, inspired and i am part of bitcoin. everyone interested in bitcoin and wants to be part of bitcoin could and should call it their project too.


it is funny how you want to be involved and grab money but as soon as someone suggests that your part of the project, you soon want to stand back and try to pretend your not involved.

which might be whats so revealing. very quick to ask for funds but dont want to take responsibility.
i guess thats why with all these glossy images and pdf's of just half assed research after 8+ years its still empty of actual results.. (bad/lack of managemnt).. but from all i can see is fund raising fundraising fundraising.

dang.. if new yorks WTC1 proposed dvelopment in 2006 but told the population the final floor/spire would be ready by 2040.. and the foundations would not be start until after 2010.. alot of people would wonder why has there been lots of money grabbing over the last few years. and why so long and why are certain people wanting to waste millions on a 32room space just for management meetings.

P.S its funny after a few years of asking for more details, suddenly YOUR buddies are pulling paper out (but not whitpaper quality ven if you want to buzzword it as such). these PDF's are still empty of results. its just pure google research.
i could have ripped apart every detail but chose to pick just a few little aspects.

ill give you a big hint. the grass on the roof. one pdf plans on 20% roof coverage.. a nice image of orange coloured arrows of electricity utility.
issue: salt water desalination not included
issue: grey water filtring not included.
issue: electric usage of refridgerator really made me laugh.. thats utility of weekly food storage(normal kitchen fridge/freezer). you have not realised that people will need walk-in freezer space to store supplies beyond a week(think ral life sustainability requirement)
issue: just 1 ASIC would use up the majority of the "entertainment/electronics" category,
think about a smart home where everything is computerised and needing to function. the electric iis far far beyond the requirement of just 20% roof space.

i have been pointing things out to you for a few years now. and while you enjoy your tahiti lifestyle grabbing money. seems your(the comunity your in) are not treading any water to move forward ..excuse the pun.