Topic: [ANN][ICO][VAR] 🐬 Blue Frontiers (VARYON) - Sustainable floating islands 🐬 - page 2. (Read 26068 times)

looks good right. but images always do. just a shame the image and reality are not equal
elwar you still never learn
1. drawings of floating islands with grass roofs are not going to be a reality
     the amount of solar requirement just for a normal home fills up most of the roof space of a normal home.
     now add to that all the new tech features you want thse homes to have adds more electric demand.
     then add the tech needed just for sustainability, such as the water treatment. and guess what. no room for grass roof
2. self governance sounds goof right?
     but french polynesia requires people to register every 6-12 months their intent to stay for more than 3 month
     then after 5 years of doing so then can then apply for a 10 year permit.
     emphasis permit. (which can get revoked)
3. nice images of Eco waste management right?
     but it doesnt show the reality of where the waste goes after.
     look at point 1. there wont be much room to shovel your fertiliser (decomposed toilet waste) )on the roof to grow plants.
     because those plants would then shadow the solar panels.and limited grass
     and if all the cardboard boxes from computr equipmnt. plastic wrap, food packaging, plastic bottles could be eco disposible
     then strangely why havnt you sold your eco patents as licences to on-land waste management companies to make it all just vanish
4. nice buzzwording of innovative new tech
     but if all this new tech was so great as highlighted in final sentance of point 3. you wouldnt need to fundraise under $800k (3k ether)


dont get me wrong. i am very positive about sustainable eco-homes. sea steading, self governance. but after the initial promotional hype of emotions everyone gets from a first read. and then devling into the deeper research. i just see a big money grab and lots of glossy images, but all the flaws beyond the glossy images.
its like your trying to do a 'sharks tank' / 'dragons den' pitch based purely on what you seen on TV about how to spew out a sales pitch. but you do not relise what happens after the camera switches off when the actual due dilegance on the pitch really begins and the dvelopment really begins.

elwar, your team are good PR/finance grabbing guys. but take away the glossy images and all the half researched stuff to create lots of snazzy buzzwords. leaves very little actual content of a proper business/development plan people will get to see in their lifetime
(many people in their 20's can become grandparents by the time the concept is complete)

i wrote all of the above from just viewing the infrographic link. and then. reading the pdf of the research the flaws start showing
"The group acknowledges that this conceptualization was created with great care and thought, and we agree with many of
the concepts that it embodies. At the same time, we suggest some revisions. One of the most common has been the suggestion that
the green roof should include food plants.
Others suggest that we should use the surface to capture rainwater, and that a green roof is not the most effective way to do
this. It may be that we do not have enough space on the roof both for the amount of solar panels and rainwater collection
needed. The group is committed to working with Blue21 to continue refining these"

its kinda good to see that some people can be honest that the BLUE21 concept has flaws where not every PR'd gimmick can fit on the roof. and its something i have mentioned time and time before.
the infographic is a illusionary illustration and not a illustration based on deep insight. many business plans would have thought about the details of space required and everything included and then made drawings around that. .. rather than make the drawings grab money and then pray to god it all works out.

you admit although you googled some idea's you still lack the skillset
"we will need someone skilled at designing microgrids to determine whether this would be enough to ensure power stays on 24/7" thus it appears most of the concept is just done with a random team of unskilled people sat at a bar drinking cocktails trying to make a glossy image for PR purposes of money grabbing. rather than spending time actually asking people with skillsets to volunteer a bit of their time to give you measurements and details you really require.

self governance.
self sustainability falls flat in many places. your pdf starts revealing these. like suddenly needing an elected board (like a town hall) where they set prices of sharing electric, the cost of internt access. and even funnier. it then becomes tyranical.
"the Seasteading principle of 'vote with your house' applies here. If people think they are being cheated, they will just leave and go back to where ever they came from. "

thats the same kind of crap as
the core roadmap. follow cores elected plan or F**K off..
trump. if you dont like trump F**k off to mexico/canada
a real consensus / self governance is. if you feel like you are being cheated. reselect a new board to moderate the network which you want to remain on.

seems blue21 concept is not decentralised, self governed. but actually very governed concept. follow their rules of sell your island at a discount and go back to mainland

other points about population. there is a cap. the PDF mentions it. blue21 seems to be topping off at around a 200 population cap. but this will not be a 200 average free world ccitizen richman cap. it would end up being about 100 richguy resident cap and just as many. 'workers' maintaining the 50-150 floats
yep. this seastead projct has a 20 year goal requiring multimillions of dollars. for..... 200 people

other things too..
biogas. do you (well probably not by the looks of things) know how many times people need to go to the toilet to be able to produce enough gas to cook a meal in gas powered kitchen oven...
how much algae needs to be grown/taken from the sea to supliment the shortfall.
wheres the ecological study on taking out algea from a ocean area. or introducing new algea farms into a ocean area

blackwater. (toilet flush waste) having to separate, dry, gather the gas, and then compost the solids. takes up space.
gotta love the picture of the 20foot cargo container.. its hinting something to you that your team are not seeing in all your designs and snazzy glossy pics.
also if you watched the matt damon movie about mars. the compost from excrement needed to be mixed with mars dirt. and even that was not enough to grow enough potato for matt deman to be self sustaining.. and that biomass included waste from not just him but his team that left him behind.

you have also wasted YEARS on PR but yet to see much beyond a google/youtube search of 'idea's'
if you realised there are already many think-tank teams that give thier time for free. and have an ethos and motivation of a better world, you would have already got all your answers years ago and had sponsors of science and eco warriors funding prototypes already.

but all it seems is that you want money grabs from thousands of random people. for a empty plan that is going to scale as long as 20 years that will only benefit 200 people.
you still have not really got a grip of the whole concept. not even enough to really be in a developing state.

im still laughing that you wasted a year trying to fundraise millions for a 32bed boat to be used purely for you and your buddies to have meetings. now that was truly an eye opener to where i seen your motives. wasting millions on 'meetings'.. facepalm
that definetly was the pinnicle point of seeing that your tam was not economical or ecological minded.

i could go on. but feel the more flaws i reveal. the less you actually put into a dvelopment plan and the more you just buword using google into a new glossy fundraiser pitch

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From Peter Thiel to Libertarian Utopias, Seasteading has long been the subject of rumours and speculations.

To set the story straight, we have launched a media archive, which we have populated with some of the more accurate articles about Blue Frontiers and seasteading from the past two years. We will issue factual responses to new media stories as they come out.

https://medium.com/@bluefrontiers/pirates-and-fake-news-on-the-high-seas-2cadf103948c

Media Archive:
https://www.blue-frontiers.com/en/media

Here is a simple infographic that shows how the seastead will work:

https://www.blue-frontiers.com/en/infographic


Blue Frontiers is also releasing the "State of the Art" reports presented at the end of 2017 by the various subgroups.

https://blue-frontiers.com/docs/State-of-the-art_report_-_Food_Systems.pdf

https://blue-frontiers.com/docs/State-of-the-art_report_-_Energy_&_Water.pdf

More to come.

I've just read the whole whitepaper and a few pages through this thread and the one Theymos started about a floating island.

I've left my e-mail and a pledge of 5 ETH.

Will continue researching about this project, seems very interesting

Here is the final announcement of the results of the pre-sale:

https://medium.com/@bluefrontiers/results-of-the-varyon-presale-68f9bbc6685d

A few highlights:
"We raised 3100.97 Ethereum!"

"People from more than 50 countries purchased Varyon in the presale. We are proud that we have token holders on every continent.."

"Our social channels have seen over 4.5 Million impressions during the presale and the Blue Frontiers Community Telegram group now has over 2600 active members."

"250+ media stories have come out about Blue Frontiers and Varyon since we opened the presale."

Getting 3100 Eth (so far) is really impressive, particularly in this market where a lot of people are more cautious.

As I've said before, I really like this big picture and ambitious project. Out of interest, do you have any detail on the number of contributors? For example, did most of what has been raised come from lots of large investors, or many small investors? 

i think that this project still doesn't got the attention that it realy deserve , anyway , congrats with the pre-sale  , think people need time to understand how big this project is.

i did not know anything about seasteading before , but now , i can't stop watching movie's about this , i was there with the pre-sale and i'll be there with the main sale

good luck with this great project

Pre-sale ended with 3100 ETH!

Just 900 short of the soft cap. It is very likely we will have a commitment for that much for the main sale soon so I'm 90% certain that the soft cap will be reached before the main sale.

The pre-sale was very much grass roots which is great. The people who actually believe in the project got in early enough to get the bonus. There will be plenty of smart money coming in during the main sale who understand the fundamentals of the financials of Varyon. Hopefully we can get some videos or simple guides to explain the complexity of what role Varyon will play in the seastead.

This may be the end of the pre-sale but it is just the beginning of preparation for a huge main sale. Looking forward to it and wrapping it all up so we can get rolling on this.

Up to 2850! A lot of people getting in at the last minute.

Only 12 hours left to participate in the pre-sale.

https://varyon.io

Only 15 hours remain to get in on the pre-sale! Currently at 2465 ETH!

On the ground here in Tahiti I am hearing good news that will be revealed for the main sale. Along with that news we will be delving a bit deeper into the updates to our whitepaper explaining the many things contributing to the value of your varyon. A bit of a learning curve but in the end, it's good for all varyon holders.

Here is a sample:




Wondering the steps for buying varyon?

Start here:
https://medium.com/@bluefrontiers/how-to-participate-in-the-varyon-ico-43d4857b5a8f

=https://medium.com/@bluefrontiers/varyon-presale-one-more-day-e2d5b318873cPre-sale ends tomorrow!


Currently at 2382 ETH. I'm hoping enough last minute people buy enough to push it over 2500. A decent round number to reach.


What are peoples' thoughts? 2500 during the pre-sale during Bitcoin's biggest bear market in years. I think it gives us a good floor going into the main sale.

2 days left in the presale to get your bonus varyon.

$420 for 14,750 VAR (plus 5% bonus). About 2 cents per varyon. Mark that number for posterity.

The pre-sale has been mostly grass roots small investors. The main sale may be a different story.

Here are a couple of big names that are supporting Varyon.





I'm looking forward to seeing the reaction to the great news we will be presenting for the main sale. Exciting times people. Buckle up.

You guys are so lucky man and you are making me jealous hehe. Anyway I am a big supporter of this project through my pockets are rather small without any whalish activity in them lol but I really believe that the blockchain was created for these kinds of groundbreaking and life-changing projects like VARYON which is making more of us change the way we want to live and think outside of the subdivision corporate box we were brought up in to believe and perceive as the best way to live. If I ever became even a crypto baby whale, I would buy a home on a seastead and come and play with the dolphins as my 'pets'.

3 days left in the pre-sale.

2298 raised so far

I will say that after hearing some great things coming down the line that the soft cap will be hit when we go live with the public sale. This thing is going to happen no matter what.

I think the public sale will come with some awesome surprises and we will likely hit the hard cap before it's over.

Get in now, not so that you have some bonus coins that you can sell right after they go onto an exchange. But because you will want to hold those coins and spend them on the seastead when they are built.

If you want just a taste of what you will be able to enjoy from your seastead, here is a video I did of dolphins playing right outside my back yard this past week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmmMaH5Dih4

What a beautiful place! A place to go to retire and live from fishing. In the right place you don't have to fear from storms or another problems in a floating structure. I have just came across with your project and it seems like a dream... maybe in the future a floating crypto state? Hope that you reach the soft cap and make this dream alive. Cheers!

Most people are like Jon Snow They know nothing Awesome video Elwar, make more videos like this showing people that it is possible!

2200 and rising....

4 days left in the pre-sale

I just spent a day on a floating platform in the lagoon of Tahiti this weekend (during a storm). I find it funny that I was reading an article after that and the commenters were saying that the proposed seasteads would be wiped out by storms or attacked by pirates. Meanwhile, people have been having parties on this floating platform in Tahiti for years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Cqf94FSXg&feature=youtu.be