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I'm sorry to be blunt here.. but there is just no way that anyone is going to invest in your company if this is how you react to criticism.
legitimate questions have been asked by investors and prospective investors. So far I haven't seen many direct answers to those questions.
please feel free to ignore the trolls if you wish, but if you ignore your own investors it will only hurt your business in the long run.

to be perfectly frank.. by not answering the concerns of your investors all you are doing is feeding the mistrust and accusations.

you can consider this bile and immature conversation if you wish but I consider it firm and frank advice.

please note that I haven't asked you any questions.
this is because I am not a Karmashares investor so you are not obliged to give me any answers.

As for not responding to your post about growing Karma adoption in SE Asia, I have already made it clear what my position is that you should get your house in order before engaging on yet another campaign. This is because, while you are busy marching forward, it seems like people are increasingly reluctant to march behind you. at least not until their concerns have been addressed.

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Welcome back! I support every word you said! That is why I do not write all in the subject. Several times I offered ideas that is very likely to have been stupid or not worth mentioning, but neither Kosmost nor any of the team did not even comment on them. This is the least offensive and disrespectful. There was a story that the most stupid book can learn many useful things.
Anyway! You are absolutely right and if karma team wants to have a community and wonders why no one wrote the theme to your own conclusions ..
Greetings!
Go KARMA.

take 2 minutes to read this and share your thoughts. As all of you seem very good in typing and posting ideas and thoughts, why not put them in the right place. Bringing karma to the Philipenes can grow the value of Karma extremely. So be wise and share your thoughts   

http://karmashares.com/forums/index.php/topic,608.0.html

+1 and welcome to the thread..

this is a general discussion thread for all things Karma, so its not surprising to me at all that people are brainstorming and suggesting new ways of doing things.

I think everyone should be welcome to voice their opinion whether it is positive or negative.
Posts like this one which are well thought out and constructive should never be ignored.

Well, we all have been frustrated 'cause of the recent events I guess. On the flip side, that means we will have a fresh start now. Lets come together! We can make it happen.

Excuse me, this will be my first post. Though I am a long time Karma "supporter". I have several hundred millions of them and I exchanged some too for karmashares.

I am happy that, a good named coin like KARMA has survived and proved that the community that took it over is not a scam and showed genuine concern for it and the people who trusted them.
Now, because of the recent events, the vibes I can read in this thread has gone to being light and happy to sad and bitter.

What is wrong?

I guess the leadership method is wrong. While the team are honest and works hard for the benefit of karma, some of them act authoritarian and cold whenever someone new express views and ideas different to what they hold as important, like kosmost will bash those who talk about the price (hey wake up value is about the price, let them talk of what is important to them, the important thing is that they trust you and make the effort to be active here). This is very unhealthy to a community that supposed to grow and help. The community may exert all their effort to bring in more karma user, but if they experience, hostility from hot headed and overly protective karma team members as though they are the only ones who have good enough ideas to pay attention to, then those new karma user will shut their mouth and be silent investors instead, that is if they even decide to stay.

This kind of community leadership is only good to the paid corporate environment. Not in a volunteer based community, which karma is still in until today. Even paid workers will appreciate being appreciated. I even read some karma team treating some posters as though they are just there to leech coins. Bad karma.

Maybe the team is made up of super rich guys that are used to looking down on their employees, or whatever it is that made some of them bossy and snob, they have good places to fill here. But not in community communication, sorry you will only negate the effort of the community to bring in more karma user base. Much less find people who will volunteer under your supervision. Look at socoban, what happened to him? Did he not volunteer and made the explorer? When he raised valid inquiries how was he treated? Like an enemy. We are not enemies here. Or maybe that's how the team feels whenever someone raises a valid question on how they conduct their affairs.

So please. I know I will be pissing many of you. But let this be a reminder, if you are not good in maintaining the small community that still shows loyalty to this Karma coin don't expect the community to grow.

Kosmost maybe good. Heck no one can do what he have done so far for this coin. But he cannot do it alone, but whenever he says his team is only talking and not doing anything, he may think he is saying the truth. But he forgets that with that kind of statements, whatever small help he is getting will also be affected. In the end, the ones who will stay with him are those who really just talk and praise him. Those community members who work for free and get that treatment will surely choose to just let go of whatever unappreciated work they are doing. So while kosmost will not be able to do this endeavor alone, the way he speaks here in this forum now will lead him to work alone.

It is evident, kosmost is good with business, but is not as good in growing and maintaining the community people. Let kosmost lead karmashares/and all karmashare businesses.
Make bitwho the leader in communicating to the community here or anyone else that you deem good in human relations. For Pete sake do not let a hot head speak for karma. If a karma representative shows aggressive behavior in public that would reflect bad for this community and the coin.

Re-organize. People who use karma, add value to it. Lose them and you lose the value you say you are working for.

Maybe this will not be important when you pay the people working for karma and you can all act as angry managers, but until then, this community will gain much in treating each other the way you may want to be treated.

And next time, don't let the community wait for something negative like a no deal. it will always look fishy.

Another thing, I understand that the coins exchanged in karmashares are fund for development. Why is it that until now, nothing is developed that was paid for by it? Are we waiting for a time when those coins' value is too little to be used? Pay the devs! Just like how you paid Hiro. pay for what karma and karmashares need. Don't expect the volunteers to churn out anything. Karma is past that point of volunteerism. There is fund now to keep things moving. Use that.

To those who work for karma and karmashare, please keep up the good works and change the bad ones. Thanks. (note* I will re-post this whenever I see someone does these things again)

It is not only kosmost who is appreciating your work. Though, I did participated just once with 400K Karma, I am also appreciating all that you do. I am sure that I am not the only one. I do not agree that what you do is not the core of the Karma business. Doing good is good. Remember? And as far as I can say, until now, the results of your hard work and dedication are very clear and helping and the most valuable for Doing good is good. Karma is not a charity coin, but a ecosystem for building good economy. Remember? And helping directly to people in need is integral part of this ecosystem. And fyi and other team members I would say that at all the time, no matter of trolling, we are very clear about these:
1. The only job for any coin developer is to create and supply the coin. After that the dev should secure the network. All should remember how many networks were compromised. That is all. All other things are happening because you are willing to.
2. Your time, personal and professional, is of the same importance to you, as ours. If you spend it to build Karma, it is because you are willing to do it, not because you have to.
3. No one is into position to demand or expect anything. No matter who he/she think he/she is and no matter what kind of experience he/she have. If you are willing to do anything, it is because you are capable to do it and because you want to do it. Not because some troll is demanding. So simple.
4. Every successful or unsuccessful move you do is highly appreciated. If it is successful we are all going to benefit. If it is not, we all have to learn valuable lessons. So both ways we gain. Only cowards doesn`t do anything at all, because they are afraid of failure.
5. Every great achievement in history is accomplished despite every great idiot in history.

So, don`t be subdued. We know very well.

Yes, of course. Create a new thread into the Karmashare forum. As far as I know it is free. Maybe the only thing you should consider is where to put it. If you lack participation, you can always post here, reddit, etc.

Kos, all the respect for you tremendous work and workload. However, I think that the Karmateam is also trying their best and not everybody can achieve so much in such little time like you. E.g it took me a week to get life updates on the Karmafund.me site. I tried to motivate people to give some Karma for a good cause. I know that this is not the core of our business but somebody needs to do this. I am also disapointed that the whales are not donating much but I keep on.... Please respect our contribution. We need some help as we are also a bit exhausted like who rightfully stated. Bierworst, sorry that we did not respond immediatly. You are fresh so please keep on self-organizing and get others on board.

Having said that, I will keep on as long as Karma lives.

I want a new thread pure brainstorming about bringing karma to other countries, because this is what we need to focus on imo. I think with project karma can separate itself from the rest

I need volunteers for the keepod for kids fundraising effort. It has started allready and I will be gone soon for some weeks such that I cannot do the campaign and the xchange of coins. I can offer to set up a page in karmafund.me.

1) Somebody (known) has to setup local donation wallets on their pcs and do the exchange of coins
2) Somebody needs to create the artwork and upload it here: https://trello.com/b/dccGwPd0/keepod-campaign-xcurrency-viacoin-w2coin-partnership
3) Somebody has to coordinate twitter, facebook and establish a contact with the cryptomommy and the organizers

Please read this post from cyptommy if you are interested: http://karmashares.com/forums/index.php/topic,604.msg3629.html#msg3629

Then come together here http://karmashares.com/forums/index.php/topic,604.msg3629.html#msg3629 and coordinate on responsabilities and the workflow.


I think this are three very concrete responsabilities where everybody can participate. Please dont answer here in btt in detail but in the forum (last link). There is much less noise. I am happy to assist you where I can.

edit: This will bring exporsure to Karma as the organization team has a good marketing structure (Value).

KarmaKaguy

This is the most visited place for crypto, but the best place to do a real work is Karmashares forum - http://karmashares.com/forums/. I think that the best place for a new thread is there. Also 40 days ago a new thread was started only with a purpose to separate valuable ideas from the days pressing matters, cause it is really hard to read all the chattering here only to find one good post with real value. The thread is here - http://karmashares.com/forums/index.php/topic,516.0.html Everybody is free to add valuable ideas by following the model.

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Kosmost and others what i suggest:

I want to lift of the weight of the people working nearly the entire day for karma or developing things, in the meaning that i take care of the updates and the progress. I want to be the person who people send updates to and i send them out organised to the comunity. Like the android app, because this is fundamental if we want to achieve our goal of bringing karma to other countries.

Second, can there be a new thread, were there is only being brainstormed about BRINGING KARMA TO OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE THE UNBANKED PEOPLE IN THE PHILIPPINES once we agree  on certain aspects evolve and i will write a plan of what the community wants to achieve and what is needed to Achieve this project. I am talking about fundamental things that have to be done. If this is clear we can start a new way of setting people on tasks, i will help with that but before discussing this we got to have our plan ready.

So kosmost and others, or you for or against this? Because we need to be organized to achieve great goals. Control is a key aspect in achieving anything.

Honestly, I have no idea about block explorers or their API. But what I do know is android, not so much on the app development side, but more so the operating system side. This doesn't mean that I won't be able to help out with the mobile wallet for android though.... I'm interested in this to base my work off of https://github.com/schildbach/bitcoin-wallet it is the source code for a android bitcoin wallet. I will start some work on this over the next few days since I'm still dealing with a sickness. But I will keep updated 

Evolve, check your inbox

Sorry, upset at.....? What is it that happened? This is not really clear to me. Yes, I can see that some people are expressing certain views. But are these views about an event that "happened" or the current state of affairs? I have too much experience to get my panties in a bunch every time the price goes up or down. It's not just a poker face, it's just that I have a different idea of value.

For example, it would take the equivalent of $200 to change the mood of this forum completely by buying up to 92 litoshis. For the cost of lunch I could change the mood of quite a few people here. (It's ridiculous, isn't it?) I've seen quite a few people get excited (and become more involved) recently when the price goes up a mere 10%. To me, it's ridiculous that quite a few people base their moods and feelings (and responses) on what equates to about $5.

Just different ideas of value, I suppose. My vision is more longer-term, not daytrader-like. I'm guessing that 90% of us watch the market at least 1x a day. I could be mistaken, but it seems like it.

Psychologically, the KARMA/LTC market (and, to a lesser extend the KARMA/BTC market) has become our "target". This is completely backwards but there's not much that I can do about it other than continue to talk about, and illustrate, value over price.

Our target is not the bitcointalk forum or the cryptocurrency community. That is a huge mistake that we have been making from Day 1. But we continue to act and respond as though it was. Our target should be the people who need Karma the most.

But our market now (cryptocurrency) is comprised mostly of people who don't really know what value is, unfortunately. Karma is like any other start-up, and that's what a lot of people don't seem to realize. We have customers, a community, and a team. And there is little distinction between any of it.

Our market should be completely different if we are to succeed. Our focus needs to shift to where people need it most, not to where people are entertained most. This is not a game, nor should we treat it like one.

With what I charge for my time I could buy 2 cars a day. I'm not saying that to boast, but to illustrate a point. I am working for the 20 year-old who put his savings into Karma and wants to see it grow. I spent hours making Karmashares certificates myself in order that Karma may grow into something great (and make sure it's done properly, of course). Database, website, graphics, text, tweets, tweaks, and just about everything else.. all from the heart. Isn't that what Karma is all about? Yes, I care that much about Karma. It's just disappointing that there are very few who are dedicated enough to "just do it" and stop talking about doing something (or telling others what needs to be done).

When I read some of the posts here all I can do is shake my head. How is it possible that the majority here don't know the value of Karma? Or the value of 1 Karma? I cherish each and every Karma. That's why I haven't spent any of your Karma yet and am very careful with how it will be spent. Because I know many of you worked hard for it. I am very careful with other people's money, even if I am not overly concerned with how I spend my own.

Some of us should do as much as we can to turn that 1 Karma into something special. It's what I am here for. Although I do not watch the markets daily, perhaps there aren't many here who are concerned with the actual value of Karma in this way.

Adding value today = adding price tomorrow. There is a correlation, of course.

I can't say that I am upset at people saying that we need to do something, yet not getting started and just doing it. It's just frustrating, not upsetting. Actually, it's been this way since the beginning (which is why I stepped up to the plate) and we have never really had an active team that was actually getting stuff done.

There is not much difference in this category from April 4, the first day I began working on Karma. We still have the same level of involvement and I continue to press others to be more active (team and community).

If 90% of us are overly concerned with price I can see to it that I am not. Besides, I tend to think more about value. My experience in having created more than 1 very successful company is not to focus on price more than adding value.

However, there aren't many examples of getting a group of volunteers together to work on something. Even the members of the A-Team got compensated for their efforts. In times of crises, sure. But perhaps not for cryptocurrency.

We can almost guarantee that if we created good-sized bounties for simple tasks that they will not be completed 100%. Anyone here is welcome to try it again.

By the way.. how would you like to re-organize?

Thanks for your suggestions

I think you are rephrasing the 'big dump was on your side' wrong. What i said was that that vc was trying to screw us over entirely. I thought in my wildest fantasy, that he would take our lill, take our kosmost and take our karma to dump it later. I hope you understood that i did not say that you made that happen, all i said is that i thought the vc did not have good intentions with karma.
After what you explained, the vc did not have any intentions at all.

So just to clear things up, our initial target market will be bringing karma to the poor and unbanked people in the Philippines or perhaps more countries? Just to get that straight

sure

Can you work with Bierworst on the above? Namely, "The primary task being a basic marketing/branding message for the new direction, or coming up with a clear and concise description of our initial target market?"