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September 04, 2014, 04:57:17 AM
Well kosmost i feel likenyou are not helping either atm. It feels like people want to start doing stuff, but you just go further with other people and they give up, like me.

Ofcourse, you are helping, but this is how i feel after posting 30 comments that and i want to help and asking how far the development of karmX is and what is already planned or which ideas are there to bring KarmX to the philipenes. So if someone actually starts answering me and starts to answer my offer to help, i iwill do whatever non-programming stuff has to be done.

So, shoot.

Was that before or after your accusation that the "the big dump" was on my side? lol

All in good spirits.. though I did not respond to your Karma casino idea because, although well thought out, I don't think it's suitable for what Karma is.

You've had some other good ideas as well, but as you mentioned what we need now is active execution in the direction of our intention.

Feel free to just jump in with what you think is necessary. As you mentioned, you're a people person and good with words so perhaps you could organize a couple of people on tasks? The primary task being a basic marketing/branding message for the new direction, or coming up with a clear and concise description of our initial target market?
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September 04, 2014, 04:55:28 AM
I have skills in many things I'm just not sure how teaching gymnastics, songwriting, or being an expert on middle eastern history/politics/culture is helpful for this particular endeavor....so in that case I'm open to any suggestions...tell me what to do...if it's something I can do..I'll do it...too much complaining out there..not enough making it happen.

Teaching gymnastics = possible teaching skills, which could help others to understand Karma better

Songwriting = creativity, good for marketing. Possibly also writing some catching copy for other efforts.

Middle eastern expert = understanding of a particular local market of nearly 1 billion people. Could be valuable.

May I ask, how much time do you think you could realistically commit to an effort if you had tasks to perform? (Nothing long-term, just as a reference)

I'm sure I could manage an hour a day if not more depending on the task and my circumstances
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September 04, 2014, 04:52:48 AM
Well kosmost i feel likenyou are not helping either atm. It feels like people want to start doing stuff, but you just go further with other people and they give up, like me.

Ofcourse, you are helping, but this is how i feel after posting 30 comments that and i want to help and asking how far the development of karmX is and what is already planned or which ideas are there to bring KarmX to the philipenes. So if someone actually starts answering me and starts to answer my offer to help, i iwill do whatever non-programming stuff has to be done.

So, shoot.

I think he's just p****d about what happened and the following backlash he got.
I can see his point about people not committing to karma other than buying.
I've bought my first karma in late May/early June and I can relate to what he's saying. It's true that there's not been too much help around the coin with the exception of a few members.
I'm also guilty of this, although I've offered to do some work on the android front but since there's no API ready and my skills are limited, nothing has moved on that front. Hope now with the help of Fitamp we can move forward.
So I think we must reorganize and try to do things in another way. Don't rely too much on the community help for now but try and pay some people that can do our basic infrastructure. Then, with enough exposure, we'll get newcomers that will see the benefits of helping karma grow and use their skills to good use. Right now it's hard for people to see the big picture, kosmost says he's not too interested on the price, but the price is a good indicator and a powerful mindset helper that should not be discounted.
I wish I had better skills so I could help karma grow. Right now I can give my opinion and try to help where I can, I'm in the red and I've not lost faith in Karma.
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September 04, 2014, 04:12:55 AM
Well kosmost i feel likenyou are not helping either atm. It feels like people want to start doing stuff, but you just go further with other people and they give up, like me.

Ofcourse, you are helping, but this is how i feel after posting 30 comments that and i want to help and asking how far the development of karmX is and what is already planned or which ideas are there to bring KarmX to the philipenes. So if someone actually starts answering me and starts to answer my offer to help, i iwill do whatever non-programming stuff has to be done.

So, shoot.
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September 04, 2014, 04:00:54 AM
Anyone working on any android projects?

I am a senior member in the xda developers forums. (Was previously developing ROMs in the past)
You can checkout my profile here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=4554955

Need some help? Send me a PM  Grin

This would be great.
I think your experience can help karma tremendously. I think we desperately need a mobile wallet and the ability to build services around it. This is the single most important thing if we want karma to be accepted worldwide, a means to transfer karma using your phone...
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September 04, 2014, 03:46:25 AM
I have skills in many things I'm just not sure how teaching gymnastics, songwriting, or being an expert on middle eastern history/politics/culture is helpful for this particular endeavor....so in that case I'm open to any suggestions...tell me what to do...if it's something I can do..I'll do it...too much complaining out there..not enough making it happen.

Teaching gymnastics = possible teaching skills, which could help others to understand Karma better

Songwriting = creativity, good for marketing. Possibly also writing some catching copy for other efforts.

Middle eastern expert = understanding of a particular local market of nearly 1 billion people. Could be valuable.

May I ask, how much time do you think you could realistically commit to an effort if you had tasks to perform? (Nothing long-term, just as a reference)
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September 04, 2014, 03:41:00 AM
I have skills in many things I'm just not sure how teaching gymnastics, songwriting, or being an expert on middle eastern history/politics/culture is helpful for this particular endeavor....so in that case I'm open to any suggestions...tell me what to do...if it's something I can do..I'll do it...too much complaining out there..not enough making it happen.
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September 04, 2014, 03:28:30 AM
how can I help?

Thanks for your response.

What skills and abilities do you have?

Unfortunately I have zero programming skills.....Perhaps I can help with writing, promoting, or anything non-technical in nature? I'm not sure what needs to be done that I can help with but I'm here and willing.

Nearly every person has skills that can be utilized, I think.

Is your experience with writing and promoting?

Also, do you prefer to self-organize or be told exactly what to do, or something in the middle?
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September 04, 2014, 03:16:59 AM
how can I help?

Thanks for your response.

What skills and abilities do you have?

Unfortunately I have zero programming skills.....Perhaps I can help with writing, promoting, or anything non-technical in nature? I'm not sure what needs to be done that I can help with but I'm here and willing.

I teach gymnastics, I make hip hop music, I am a songwriter, and I have 20 years of academic study on the Israel/Palestinian conflict.....so in other words, I'm useless....unless you have any good ideas?
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September 04, 2014, 03:08:42 AM
how can I help?

Thanks for your response.

What skills and abilities do you have?
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September 04, 2014, 02:55:57 AM
how can I help?
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September 04, 2014, 02:48:12 AM
These tangents are highly unproductive.

We are wasting a tremendous amount of time on inconsequential matters (mostly focused on coin markets, price, and c.)

Instead of us asking "how can I help" and "what can I do now" in the spirit of Karma, our brains are attracted to what basically amounts to horse poo.

Karma is about helping others, right? How can we help others and not help our own community?
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September 04, 2014, 02:39:45 AM
kosmost is hendo known for many other scams
just my 2 karmas

Your 2 Karma have obviously been orphaned.
Why are you paying attention to him and other trolls? Their way is just funny. It is not even frustrating. Circus monkeys are to make us laugh. I don't think anybody should take them seriously. If you cycle through 15-20 coins threads, you will find that "to da mun", whining and scam prattling are 70-80% of the posts. And other coins also have 10-20% participation. So I think Karma is way ahead of all other coins on this matter. Smiley

For those who have been following the thread it might be obvious.

But there are lots of newcomers who click and see bile like that, and also perhaps see that no one is refuting it (so it must be true.. because logic!)

It's not really funny to me, because I am the subject Smiley

Regardless, Maurizio is still a member of the Karma community (whether we agree with some of his/her posts or not) so I do my best not to *ignore* other members. There are a few people here who have changed their tune so it helps me to keep an open mind about them.

However, I have asked Maurizio for a clear explanation why they think anything has been scammed ... no response. He should be more ashamed about not being able to offer an explanation than insulting another member (me) but obviously the lack of explanation for his statement does not bother him.
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September 04, 2014, 02:32:04 AM
kosmost is hendo known for many other scams
just my 2 karmas

Your 2 Karma have obviously been orphaned.
Why are you paying attention to him and other trolls? Their way is just funny. It is not even frustrating. Circus monkeys are to make us laugh. I don't think anybody should take them seriously. If you cycle through 15-20 coins threads, you will find that "to da mun", whining and scam prattling are 70-80% of the posts. And other coins also have 10-20% participation. So I think Karma is way ahead of all other coins on this matter. Smiley
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September 04, 2014, 02:15:37 AM

We're talking about helping Karma  not Karmashares.

this is a moot point since you speak for both karma and karmashares and since any action taken benefits both.


And may I ask why you get the impression that I "want to be the leader"?

your signature, past actions and comments.

maybe you don't want to be the leader any more, and that of course is your choice but I am sure you wouldn't have done all that you did if you didn't want to take charge.
 
you put yourself into that role and set up a for profit company.. nobody made you do it.
you made commitments and built up the expectations of your investors and now they are being critical and dumping because their expectations haven't been met.

am I saying this is all your fault?.. of course not, the community should take more responsibility for building projects and starting more companies of their own and not just rely on one small company to do everything.

you have done more that your fair share of the lifting by far and your investors aren't expecting you to do everything on your own, that is why they gave you all that Karma so that you could use some of it to grow your company as the flagship of the community.

Chargin made a very good point that if you build up expectations then you have to deliver on them otherwise you will get punished by the market.

I am making the very clear point that if you set up a "for profit" company then you need to run it like a for profit company and not expect everyone to help you and continue to donate their time like it is a charity.

I have always lived by the idea that it is better to under promise and over deliver, than to over promise and under deliver.
This recent round of dumping is exactly why I do not make grand statements and price predictions and it is exactly why some people are reluctant to get more involved both with Karmashares and with Karma.


We have only to take a look at the lack of response to https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8655973 (and many previous calls for help) to get a perspective on the main post of your post.

Of course, we are not expecting "everyone" to help. (My post says as much)

But we cannot also expect things to get done by spending more time talking about it than helping out on something. Imagine what we could have done if the last couple of days (10+ pages) was actually productive, instead?

There is a different between someone actively desiring to be the leader (thus my question about your statement) and taking on a leadership role. I simply do what I think needs to be done. Karmagoingood nominated both Bitwho and myself for this role, probably because I worked faster and got things done more than others. If I did not have this title I would still be doing pretty much the exact same thing.

We can call for "leadership" of course, but when no one does anything you ask then how can anything be lead?

Remember when altcoingood shut down the block explorer? I asked (several times) that someone make a post to inform the community. The response I got? "Why?" Imagine having to explain why we need to inform the community that a fundamental service is offline permanently (!)

We don't really post to the subreddit. Again, I've begged for this many times. Imagine asking for updates and getting radio silence for weeks:

http://karmashares.com/forums/index.php/topic,358.0.html
http://karmashares.com/forums/index.php/topic,356.0.html

I've deleted about 20-30 tasks that I made (some of them open to anyone; some assigned to specific persons) because of the complete lack of response/responsibility. (As in, all but 1 or 2 posts having any response)

The "welcome! Feel free to take an open task..." post was made for the community to become active.

The fundamental problem here is not the lack of programming skills, it's the lack of concern for Karma's future.

I mention the above because the excuse for not helping continues to be that "I can't" when it's more likely a lack of concern.

Without your help, Karma will die.
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September 04, 2014, 02:13:23 AM
Downtrend after this big insider, how can you be surprised.
I also hold a big bag but that should not make me blind.
What should we waiting for till 1.sept. Don`t worry kosmost makes you rich with his super karma-----after next announcement, for sure

Again again in crypto.
Be honest, whats the difference between karma few months ago and now?
PND they made some progress in the right direction.



No one is paying attention on your stupidity. Little chikenshit games are all you can think of and we are not interested. Of course you can always continue to be a not helpng troll. I am sure we need 2-3 trolls here, so they can make us laugh from time to time.
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September 04, 2014, 02:11:12 AM
It's really rather annoying to hear all these complaints and accusations of scamming from these newcomers who haven't posted at all for months while Karma was on its deathbed and it was revived completely with countless hours and effort by Kosmost and the team.  It's simply ridiculous.  You really think Kosmost has been holding the 9 billion Karmashares coins for months and not selling them when the price was 10 times higher just so that he could dump it now just to screw you? It's so completely ridiculous and insulting.  

I hope that Kosmost and the team continue their excellent work of building the foundation for value to be built around the Karma network and that these newcomers wanting a quick profit either add to that value or go away.  
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September 04, 2014, 02:08:45 AM
kosmost is hendo known for many other scams
just my 2 karmas

Your 2 Karma have obviously been orphaned.
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September 04, 2014, 02:07:32 AM
It's amazing how much time we waste here on immature conversations, as though our sometimes illogical and sophomoric diatribes are productive.

If we have 1,000 extended members of the Karma community and our most active members are posting here and replying to our subreddit and forum, and most of these "active" members are posting bile like the above and busy not responding to a post like this then I really don't know what to say.
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September 04, 2014, 01:04:32 AM
kosmost is hendo known for many other scams
just my 2 karmas
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